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14:30:36 <wiecha> rrsagent, make logs public
14:30:45 <wiecha> Meeting: RWAB Telecon
14:30:49 <wiecha> Chair: wiecha
14:31:00 <wiecha> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-app-backplane/2009May/0019.html
14:31:11 <wiecha> Regrets: John, Uli
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15:01:28 <Zakim> INC_RWAB()11:00AM has now started
15:01:37 <Zakim> +[IBM]
15:01:39 <wiecha> zakim, [IBM] is wiecha
15:01:45 <Zakim> +wiecha; got it
15:03:02 <jackjansen> zakim, code?
15:03:03 <Zakim> the conference code is 7922 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), jackjansen
15:04:20 <Zakim> +??P49
15:04:23 <Zakim> -wiecha
15:04:24 <Zakim> +wiecha
15:04:36 <jackjansen> zakim, ??P49 is me
15:04:36 <Zakim> +jackjansen; got it
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15:06:09 <Steven> zakim, dial steven-617
15:06:09 <Zakim> ok, Steven; the call is being made
15:06:11 <Zakim> +Steven
15:07:03 <wiecha> Scribe: Steven
15:07:15 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
15:07:15 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/05/19-backplane-minutes.html Steven
15:08:20 <Steven> Charlie: Is a time change of Mondays, a half hour earlier than it now starts, for 30 mins each week
15:08:33 <Steven> (Europe 4.30-5pm)
15:08:58 <Steven> Steven: Next Monday is a public holiday in US and Europe
15:09:08 <Steven> Charlie: Let's start in 2 weeks time
15:09:44 <Steven> ... depending on Gregory
15:10:03 <Steven> Jack: Mondays would be great for me
15:10:27 <Steven> ... or Thursdays
15:10:34 <Steven> Steven: Not Thursdays for me
15:10:47 <Steven> Charlie: If Gregory can't make it, then we'll stick to this time
15:10:51 <Steven> ... on Tuesdays
15:11:00 <Steven> ... but for 30 mins
15:11:08 <Steven> rrsagent, make log public
15:11:13 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
15:11:13 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/05/19-backplane-minutes.html Steven
15:11:49 <wiecha> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-app-backplane/2009May/att-0005/finance-app.gif
15:11:55 <Steven> Topic: Demonstrator
15:12:27 <Steven> i/Charlie: Is a time/Topic: Call times
15:14:32 <Steven> Charlie: Note that the SVG is part of the presentation, and not in the page
15:14:45 <Steven> ... mwe have submitted a paper or two
15:14:51 <Steven> s/mwe/we
15:15:02 <Zakim> -jackjansen
15:15:06 <Steven> ... including proposing extensions to ODF
15:15:19 <jackjansen> lost call...
15:15:46 <Zakim> +??P20
15:15:52 <Steven> ... which means we could add ODF to the mix
15:16:09 <jackjansen> zakim, ??P20 is me
15:16:09 <Zakim> +jackjansen; got it
15:17:04 <Steven> Charlie: But I'd like to anticipate how we can use SMIL additions
15:17:27 <Steven> ... so maybe we can brainstorm here
15:17:53 <Steven> Jack: Steven and I, and a colleague, and Dick Bulterman has a brainstorm session yesterday
15:17:58 <Steven> s/has/had/
15:18:19 <Steven> ... and decided that many of our ideas washed out as a bit contrived
15:18:29 <Steven> Steven: Or already available in the other markups
15:18:45 <Steven> Jack: But there is one class where SMIL becomes relevant
15:18:51 <Steven> ... when the data is timed data
15:19:01 <Steven> ... data that has a timeline
15:19:13 <Steven> zakim, who is here?
15:19:13 <Zakim> On the phone I see wiecha, Steven, jackjansen
15:19:13 <Zakim> On IRC I see Steven, jackjansen, RRSAgent, Zakim, wiecha
15:19:25 <Steven> Jack: So where is the overlap?
15:19:58 <Steven> ... The one we found was in help system that would also interact with the form
15:20:23 <Steven> ... like a video that talked you through, and the form updates
15:21:09 <Steven> ... For instance, that the date being out of range, and the help triggers
15:23:05 <Steven> Steven: We had an idea that the help video talks about changing the currency and that the line items change, and the total, and the graphic too
15:24:05 <Steven> .. and then change it while talking, to show it happening
15:24:38 <Steven> Jack: The application wouldn't have to change. The SMIL app can do it event-based
15:25:07 <Steven> ... as long as the video doesn't specifically mention particulars of the presentation
15:25:31 <Steven> Charlie: So the SMIL could respond to validation
15:25:51 <Steven> Steven: Use the <alerts> element?
15:26:14 <Steven> zakim, who is noisy?
15:26:25 <Zakim> Steven, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: wiecha (5%)
15:27:20 <Zakim> -jackjansen
15:27:32 <Steven> s/alerts/alert/
15:28:04 <Zakim> +Jack_Jansen
15:29:04 <Steven> Jack: With current SMIL and XForms, there is a way to get events between the too, using setvalue
15:29:21 <Steven> \... SMIL is blissfully unaware of anything outside its scope
15:31:40 <jackjansen> zakim, Jack_Jansen is me
15:31:40 <Zakim> +jackjansen; got it
15:32:44 <Steven> Charlie: What I will do in the coming weeks is think of more function that we can hook up help to
15:33:36 <Steven> Jack: For the coming two months or so I hope to be able to put 50% of my time in this
15:33:43 <Steven> ... (optimistically)
15:34:08 <Steven> ... we think that this is importnant for the future
15:34:14 <Steven> s/nant/ant/
15:34:46 <Steven> Charlie: There is enough interesting stuff here to start writing about it
15:36:07 <Steven> Steven: Next week is a US hol
15:36:16 <Steven> Jack: and the next is a European
15:36:30 <Steven> Steven: So next week is Tuesday?
15:36:35 <Steven> Charlie: Yes, at normal time
15:36:53 <Steven> [ADJOURN]
15:36:55 <Zakim> -wiecha
15:36:57 <Zakim> -jackjansen
15:36:59 <Zakim> -Steven
15:37:00 <Zakim> INC_RWAB()11:00AM has ended
15:37:02 <Zakim> Attendees were wiecha, jackjansen, Steven
15:37:09 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
15:37:09 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/05/19-backplane-minutes.html Steven
15:40:33 <Steven> i/Steven: Next week/Topic: Next week
15:40:38 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
15:40:38 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/05/19-backplane-minutes.html Steven
15:41:06 <Steven> s/\//
15:41:12 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
15:41:12 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/05/19-backplane-minutes.html Steven
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