IRC log of au on 2009-05-18

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Zakim, this will be AUWG
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ok, Jan; I see WAI_AUWG()3:00PM scheduled to start 45 minutes ago
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Meeting: WAI AU
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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2009AprJun/0036.html
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Regrets: Tim B., Ann M.
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zakim, code?
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the conference code is 2894 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Jan
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WAI_AUWG()3:00PM has now started
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+Jeanne
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+[IPcaller]
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zakim, [IPcaller] is really Jan
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+Jan; got it
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+??P7
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zakim, ??P7 is really Andrew
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+Andrew; got it
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+??P8
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zakim, ??P8 is really JuttaT
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+JuttaT; got it
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+Greg_Pisocky
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Chair: Jutta
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Chair: Jan
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Scribe: Greg
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Topic: Determine whether to publish the new Editor's Draft as a Public WD
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Call out sections that are new or changed
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http://www.w3.org/WAI/AU/2009/ED-ATAG20-20090512/
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Options are accept, change prior to release as public working draft
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+ +1.561.582.aaaa
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zakim, aaaa is really SueAnn
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+SueAnn; got it
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Authoring tools are just one aspect of Web accessibility....
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First changes to introduction. 3rd note under first paragraph.
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http://www.w3.org/WAI/AU/2009/ED-ATAG20-20090512/
20:12:33 [jeanne]
+1 accept
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No objections accepted.
20:12:54 [Greg]
Note 3 in Introduction "Authoring tools are just one aspect of accessibility... ACCEPTED
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All: Accept new org. of componetnst of accessibility.
20:13:50 [jtrevir]
2nd: Change to notes in definition, range of tools ATAG replies to. In response to Greg's comments.
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Topic: 1.ATAG 2.0 applies to a wide variety of Web content generating applications...
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-JuttaT
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Change to notes in Definition "ATAG 2.0 applies to a wide variety..."
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+??P8
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GP: Meets my concerns
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zakim, ??P8 is really JuttaT
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+JuttaT; got it
20:15:43 [jeanne]
+1 acce[t
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All: Accept wording of range of authoring tools
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Topic: ATAG 2.0 Layers of Guidance
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3rd: layers of guidance, adapted from WCAG.
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ATAG 2.0 Layers of Guidance Replaces Organization of the Document
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All: Accept "layers of guidance"
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Editor's note can be removed
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Topic: Relationship to the Web Content Accessibility Guidelines (WCAG) 2.0
20:21:00 [jtrevir]
Reference to WCAG 1.0 removed.
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First bullet revised.
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GP: Wonder about third bullet...
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GP: evidence of conformance requiring content is a concern
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Should this section be normative or informative?
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GP: May not be possible to provide content in a conformance claim
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JR: is the 3rd bullet required?
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Jeanne: It should be removed, as it is inconsistent.
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Action jeanne: Remove •ATAG 2.0 Conformance Claims are to be supported by examples of Web content produced by the authoring tool (e.g., samples of automatically-generated content) that conform to WCAG 2.0.
20:27:42 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-145 - Remove •ATAG 2.0 Conformance Claims are to be supported by examples of Web content produced by the authoring tool (e.g., samples of automatically-generated content) that conform to WCAG 2.0. [on Jeanne Spellman - due 2009-05-25].
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JR: any other objection?
20:28:37 [Jan]
All: No other objections to rewording of "Relationship to the Web Content Accessibility Guidelines (WCAG) 2.0"
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All: section is normative.
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Resolved: Add "This section is normative." to Relationship to the Web Content Accessibility Guidelines (WCAG) 2.0" section
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To be explicitly noted with section.
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Resolved: "Integration of Accessibility Features " and "ATAG 2.0 Layers of Guidance" remain infromative
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-JuttaT
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+??P8
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GP: B .1.3.1 Priority level not noted.
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Action jeanne: B.3.1.1 add Level
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Created ACTION-146 - B.3.1.1 add Level [on Jeanne Spellman - due 2009-05-25].
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GP: There are two B.2.4.4s
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Action jeanne: B.2.4.4 to B.2.4.5
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Created ACTION-147 - B.2.4.4 to B.2.4.5 [on Jeanne Spellman - due 2009-05-25].
20:34:48 [jtrevir]
GP: Have created analysis of success criteria for editors draft.
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GP: with a breakdown of priority levels. Created as indicator of effort required for task of compliance.
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GP: will send it along to working group.
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Topic: Guideline B.1.1 Support Web content technologies that enable the creation of content that is accessible
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JR: Was broken down into 3 levels of compliance.
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http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20/#new-terms
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Referencing WCAG 2.0
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WCAG does not break the definition of accessible technologies into levels.
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GP: Automatically selected for what?
20:43:48 [Jan]
Action jeanne: Label B.1.1 for F2F discussion
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Created ACTION-148 - Label B.1.1 for F2F discussion [on Jeanne Spellman - due 2009-05-25].
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B.1.1.1 for further discussion at face to face
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Topic: Level of Conformance
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↑In order to ensure that the process of using ATAG 2.0 and WCAG 2.0 together in the development of authoring tools is as simple as possible
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...
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-??P8
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+??P8
20:49:51 [jtrevir]
JR: this is informative, suggest it be moved to an appendix.
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editorial changes and grammar edits required.
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JR: cannot make content accessible↑ => cannot make the authoring tool user interface accessible
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JR: 4th bullet: Success Criteria => Success Criterion
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Jeanne: Should this be in the introduction? Do not want it in an appendix, it will be ignored.
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-Andrew
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Andrew, Greg and Jutta: should stay in.
20:55:15 [Andrew]
My Skype just dropped out but i would agree with Jeanne
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JR: Suggested title: Understanding ATAG Conformance Levels
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JR: Move to last section of Introduction as informative section.
20:55:55 [Jan]
Action jeanne: Move the section on setting Conformance Levels to the a new last sub-scetion in the Introduction
20:55:55 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-149 - Move the section on setting Conformance Levels to the a new last sub-scetion in the Introduction [on Jeanne Spellman - due 2009-05-25].
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First para: ↑In order to ensure that the process
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....might place on developers)
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DELETE: ↑Conformance Levels in Conformance Claims
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+??P7
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Topic: Publish Public WD?
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Andrew: Yes
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Greg: Yes
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Jeanne: Yes
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SueAnn: Yes
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Jutta: Yes
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Jan: Yes
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JR: will clean up draft and publish late this week.
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Next Week memorial day
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Will meet in 2 weeks time.
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10 days from face to face
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2 meetings in June before F2F
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SEnd any concerns before Last Call draft.
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-Greg_Pisocky
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-SueAnn
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-Jan
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-??P8
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-??P7
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21:03:30 [Jan]
zakim, who's on the phone?
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On the phone I see Jeanne
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-Jeanne
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WAI_AUWG()3:00PM has ended
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Attendees were Jeanne, Jan, Andrew, JuttaT, Greg_Pisocky, +1.561.582.aaaa, SueAnn
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RRSAgent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/05/18-au-minutes.html Jan
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RRSAgent, set logs public
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