IRC log of svg on 2009-05-13

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Zakim, this will be GA_SVGWG
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Meeting: SVG Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 13 May 2009
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06:35:34 [ed]
Zakim, ??P1 is me
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+ed; got it
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Zakim, who's here?
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On the phone I see ??P0, ed
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On IRC I see RRSAgent, jwatt, ed, karl, ed_work, anthony, trackbot
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Zakim, ??P0 is me
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+jwatt; got it
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Zakim, ??P2 is me
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+anthony; got it
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Zakim, ??P3 is me
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+heycam; got it
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Scribe: Cameron
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ScribeNick: heycam
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Chair: Erik
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Topic: SVG Open F2F
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ED: i got a question from ruud about when the wg was meeting
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... maybe we should discuss dates
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CM: ruud said doug said probably after svg open
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AG: it's useful to have it before, since then we can get things done before the conference
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ED: i'd agree that it'd be better to have it before
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... svg open is oct 2-4
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... friday-sunday
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... having it the week before then, monday-thursday, would be fine with me
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... i.e. from sep 28
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AG: what about sat-wed, to have a break in between?
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ED: yes that'd work
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CM: i'd rather a break in between too
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ED: i'm not sure if there are any conflicting meetings
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... be good to ask chris/doug to see if they have any problems with having the meeting before svg open
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... if we feel that's the best plan
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... also i'm wondering if we'll meet at the TPAC
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... we did respond to the polls before saying that we wouldn't meet, and we'd prefer early in the following year
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... just meeting a few of the groups
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... since svg open and the TPAC meeting are relatively close is it worth travelling?
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CM: what are the tpac dates?
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ED: november
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2-6 november
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s/2/... 2/
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... and svg open is 2-4 october
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... so it's pretty close
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AG: any reason why svg open was pushed back?
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ED: think some people were saying august wasn't a good time for academics
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CM: so we're meeting just 3 times this year? depends on when the possible mini-tpac would be i guess.
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CM: difficult to travel again so soon
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ED: me too
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CM: be interesting to know what the other mini-meeting groups will do
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ED: since they're not going to svg open, probably they don't have such a big problem to attend tpac
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AG: assuming i can travel, i'm not too fussed about it
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... a pain to travel twice in 4 weeks, but i can do it
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... i don't mind if it's shifted back either
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ED: for the svg open f2f, should i put the dates on the wiki as proposed dates? from sep 28?
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AG: i'd prefer sep 26
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... how many days of meeting do we want?
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ED: where will we be meeting? would we book a hotel?
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CM: maybe mozilla?
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ED: i can check if opera have facilities
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... i'll put sep 26-30 as the meeting dates, with one day rest before svg open
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ACTION: Erik to mail Ruud about SVG Open F2F dates, CCing Doug and Chris
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Created ACTION-2558 - Mail Ruud about SVG Open F2F dates, CCing Doug and Chris [on Erik Dahlström - due 2009-05-20].
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Regrets: Chris, Doug
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RRSAgent, pointer?
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ED: jonathan, do you know if moz has offices we could meet in?
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Zakim, who is on the call?
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On the phone I see jwatt, ed, anthony, heycam
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trackbot, close ACTION-2555
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ACTION-2555 Write the proposal for the Working Group panel closed
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Topic: Module updates
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ED: any new things happening?
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... don't think i've seen anything
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... i made some minor changes to the filters module
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AG: haven't done anything major yet, still doing investigations into a few things
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Topic: Errata progress
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ED: the spec itself, is it ready for folding items in?
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CM: not yet
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AG: i've got a question on wording for the erratum i have to do
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... that's the original problem report
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07:02:11 [ed]
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AG: wondering what wording to replace with
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ED: in that url that's a summary of the behaviour in opera/batik
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... i'm quite sure it was the same in firefox/safari too
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... you could turn those two bullet points into wording
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CM: you could add a sentence after the existing one, to state whether the implicit linetos are relative or absolute, based on the relative-ness of the moveto command
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ED: you could say that an uppercase "M" means the implicit linetos are absolute, and a lowercase "m" means they are relative
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AG: i might add an example, too
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CM: i mailed ian jacobs to ask about publishing the second edition spec including changes that aren't in the errata document
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... he said that's fine, as long as they aren't new features
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... so basically, the same type of changes as in the errata
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... the AC review of the PER is sufficient
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ED: are we freezing the errata document?
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CM: yes, after anthony's erratum is added
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... the remaining unfinished errata can still be added to the spec directly, before it's published
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ED: this one looks complete
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ED: so it's adding the exception, and stating that the unitType is changed
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CM: yes, for the valueAsString attributes
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... and there's the exceptions for the other two methods, below
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ED: looks ok
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CM: i changed the text just now to mention throwing if SVG_LENGTHTYPE_UNKNOWN is passed in
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07:19:06 [ed]
"Raised if unitType is not SVG_ANGLETYPE_UNKNOWN" should be "Raised if unitType is SVG_ANGLETYPE_UNKNOWN" ?
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ok fixed
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ED: any objection to moving it to proposed?
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none heard
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RESOLUTION: Clarify implicit linetos to be absolute or relative in line with current implementations
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s/Clarify/We will clarify/
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ED: i think this one looks fine
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... one minor detail
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... why does this errata repeat the section about how SVGDocument implement DocumentEvent?
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and DocumentCSS?
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... that's both in the new section B.6.4 and before the SVGDocument interface description
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CM: i don't mind to drop that paragraph and mention DocumentEvents in appendix B
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ACTION: Cameron to modify the #svgsvgelement-should-not-extend-viewcss-documentcss-or-documentevent erratum according to the minutes here
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Created ACTION-2559 - Modify the #svgsvgelement-should-not-extend-viewcss-documentcss-or-documentevent erratum according to the minutes here [on Cameron McCormack - due 2009-05-20].
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ED: i agree with this one, any objections to moving it to proposed?
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AG: should be fine
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ED: i'm ok with this
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JW: what about when you assign NaN?
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CM: i think that falls under the same category of things in the ecmascript binding that isn't specified currently
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ED: ok, move it to proposed
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ED: i agree with this one, to allow <foreignObject> as a child of any container element
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... not just <switch>
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CM: these dtd fragments are going to disappear from the chapters when the second edition is published
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ED: move it to proposed if there are no objections
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JW: do we say anything about calling getBBox() for elements outside the document
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CM: we do in tiny, but not in 1.1
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Elements and document fragments which derive from SVGLocatable but are not in the rendering tree, such as those in a 'defs' element or those which have been been created but not yet inserted into the DOM, must still have a bounding box. The geometry of elements outside the rendering tree must take into account only those properties and values (such as 'font-size') which are specified within that element or document fragment, or which have a lacuna value or an
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implementation-defined value.
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CM: i'm ok with this erratum
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ED: ok, move it to proposed
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ACTION: Cameron to publish the errata after doing his other action
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Created ACTION-2560 - Publish the errata after doing his other action [on Cameron McCormack - due 2009-05-20].
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Attendees were ed, jwatt, anthony, heycam
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RRSAgent, make minutes
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