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06:34:53 <trackbot> Meeting: SVG Working Group Teleconference
06:34:53 <trackbot> Date: 13 May 2009
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06:35:41 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P0, ed
06:35:42 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, jwatt, ed, karl, ed_work, anthony, trackbot
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06:40:13 <heycam> Scribe: Cameron
06:40:14 <ed> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2009AprJun/0124.html
06:40:16 <heycam> ScribeNick: heycam
06:40:18 <heycam> Chair: Erik
06:40:42 <heycam> Topic: SVG Open F2F
06:40:53 <heycam> ED: i got a question from ruud about when the wg was meeting
06:40:58 <heycam> ... maybe we should discuss dates
06:41:46 <heycam> CM: ruud said doug said probably after svg open
06:41:59 <heycam> AG: it's useful to have it before, since then we can get things done before the conference
06:42:12 <heycam> ED: i'd agree that it'd be better to have it before
06:42:21 <heycam> ... svg open is oct 2-4
06:42:33 <heycam> ... friday-sunday
06:42:46 <heycam> ... having it the week before then, monday-thursday, would be fine with me
06:43:03 <heycam> ... i.e. from sep 28
06:43:13 <heycam> AG: what about sat-wed, to have a break in between?
06:43:15 <heycam> ED: yes that'd work
06:43:27 <heycam> CM: i'd rather a break in between too
06:44:16 <heycam> ED: i'm not sure if there are any conflicting meetings
06:44:47 <heycam> ... be good to ask chris/doug to see if they have any problems with having the meeting before svg open
06:44:51 <heycam> ... if we feel that's the best plan
06:45:19 <heycam> ... also i'm wondering if we'll meet at the TPAC
06:45:44 <heycam> ... we did respond to the polls before saying that we wouldn't meet, and we'd prefer early in the following year
06:45:52 <heycam> ... just meeting a few of the groups
06:46:08 <heycam> ... since svg open and the TPAC meeting are relatively close is it worth travelling?
06:46:15 <heycam> CM: what are the tpac dates?
06:47:03 <heycam> ED: november
06:47:28 <heycam> 2-6 november
06:47:33 <heycam> s/2/... 2/
06:47:40 <heycam> ... and svg open is 2-4 october
06:47:46 <heycam> ... so it's pretty close
06:48:39 <heycam> AG: any reason why svg open was pushed back?
06:48:47 <heycam> ED: think some people were saying august wasn't a good time for academics
06:49:32 <heycam> CM: so we're meeting just 3 times this year? depends on when the possible mini-tpac would be i guess.
06:50:10 <heycam> CM: difficult to travel again so soon
06:50:12 <heycam> ED: me too
06:50:34 <heycam> CM: be interesting to know what the other mini-meeting groups will do
06:50:44 <heycam> ED: since they're not going to svg open, probably they don't have such a big problem to attend tpac
06:50:52 <heycam> AG: assuming i can travel, i'm not too fussed about it
06:51:02 <heycam> ... a pain to travel twice in 4 weeks, but i can do it
06:51:11 <heycam> ... i don't mind if it's shifted back either
06:51:51 <heycam> ED: for the svg open f2f, should i put the dates on the wiki as proposed dates? from sep 28?
06:52:28 <heycam> AG: i'd prefer sep 26
06:52:33 <heycam> ... how many days of meeting do we want?
06:53:03 <heycam> ED: where will we be meeting? would we book a hotel?
06:53:18 <heycam> CM: maybe mozilla?
06:53:34 <heycam> ED: i can check if opera have facilities
06:54:29 <heycam> ... i'll put sep 26-30 as the meeting dates, with one day rest before svg open
06:55:07 <heycam> ACTION: Erik to mail Ruud about SVG Open F2F dates, CCing Doug and Chris
06:55:08 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2558 - Mail Ruud about SVG Open F2F dates, CCing Doug and Chris [on Erik Dahlström - due 2009-05-20].
06:55:48 <heycam> Regrets: Chris, Doug
06:56:01 <heycam> RRSAgent, pointer?
06:56:01 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2009/05/13-svg-irc#T06-56-01
06:56:18 <heycam> ED: jonathan, do you know if moz has offices we could meet in?
06:56:21 <heycam> Zakim, who is on the call?
06:56:21 <Zakim> On the phone I see jwatt, ed, anthony, heycam
06:57:31 <ed> trackbot, close ACTION-2555
06:57:31 <trackbot> ACTION-2555 Write the proposal for the Working Group panel closed
06:57:53 <heycam> Topic: Module updates
06:57:57 <heycam> ED: any new things happening?
06:58:09 <heycam> ... don't think i've seen anything
06:58:15 <heycam> ... i made some minor changes to the filters module
06:58:31 <heycam> AG: haven't done anything major yet, still doing investigations into a few things
06:59:42 <heycam> Topic: Errata progress
06:59:57 <heycam> ED: the spec itself, is it ready for folding items in?
07:00:19 <heycam> CM: not yet
07:00:31 <heycam> AG: i've got a question on wording for the erratum i have to do
07:01:06 <anthony> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2009Apr/0101.html
07:01:14 <heycam> ... that's the original problem report
07:01:15 <anthony> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2268
07:02:11 <ed> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2009AprJun/0096.html
07:02:25 <heycam> AG: wondering what wording to replace with
07:02:40 <heycam> ED: in that url that's a summary of the behaviour in opera/batik
07:02:53 <heycam> ... i'm quite sure it was the same in firefox/safari too
07:03:21 <heycam> ... you could turn those two bullet points into wording
07:04:51 <heycam> CM: you could add a sentence after the existing one, to state whether the implicit linetos are relative or absolute, based on the relative-ness of the moveto command
07:05:54 <heycam> ED: you could say that an uppercase "M" means the implicit linetos are absolute, and a lowercase "m" means they are relative
07:06:28 <heycam> AG: i might add an example, too
07:08:40 <heycam> CM: i mailed ian jacobs to ask about publishing the second edition spec including changes that aren't in the errata document
07:08:47 <heycam> ... he said that's fine, as long as they aren't new features
07:09:19 <heycam> ... so basically, the same type of changes as in the errata
07:09:28 <heycam> ... the AC review of the PER is sufficient
07:11:15 <heycam> ED: are we freezing the errata document?
07:11:26 <heycam> CM: yes, after anthony's erratum is added
07:11:35 <ed> http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/errata/errata.xml
07:11:48 <heycam> ... the remaining unfinished errata can still be added to the spec directly, before it's published
07:12:27 <ed> http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/errata/errata.xml#svglength-clarification-and-exceptions
07:12:34 <heycam> ED: this one looks complete
07:13:52 <heycam> ED: so it's adding the exception, and stating that the unitType is changed
07:13:58 <heycam> CM: yes, for the valueAsString attributes
07:14:05 <heycam> ... and there's the exceptions for the other two methods, below
07:14:06 <heycam> ED: looks ok
07:18:18 <heycam> CM: i changed the text just now to mention throwing if SVG_LENGTHTYPE_UNKNOWN is passed in
07:18:23 <heycam> (or SVG_ANGLETYPE_UNKNOWN)
07:19:06 <ed> "Raised if unitType is not SVG_ANGLETYPE_UNKNOWN" should be "Raised if unitType is SVG_ANGLETYPE_UNKNOWN" ?
07:20:26 <heycam> ok fixed
07:21:45 <heycam> ED: any objection to moving it to proposed?
07:21:55 <heycam> none heard
07:28:26 <heycam> http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/errata/errata.xml#clarify_implicit_lineto_commands_in_path_syntax
07:30:44 <heycam> RESOLUTION: Clarify implicit linetos to be absolute or relative in line with current implementations
07:30:53 <heycam> s/Clarify/We will clarify/
07:34:43 <ed> http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/errata/errata.xml#svgsvgelement-should-not-extend-viewcss-documentcss-or-documentevent
07:37:32 <heycam> ED: i think this one looks fine
07:37:37 <heycam> ... one minor detail
07:37:53 <heycam> ... why does this errata repeat the section about how SVGDocument implement DocumentEvent?
07:37:55 <heycam> and DocumentCSS?
07:38:13 <heycam> ... that's both in the new section B.6.4 and before the SVGDocument interface description
07:40:04 <heycam> CM: i don't mind to drop that paragraph and mention DocumentEvents in appendix B
07:40:52 <heycam> ACTION: Cameron to modify the #svgsvgelement-should-not-extend-viewcss-documentcss-or-documentevent erratum according to the minutes here
07:40:52 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2559 - Modify the #svgsvgelement-should-not-extend-viewcss-documentcss-or-documentevent erratum according to the minutes here [on Cameron McCormack - due 2009-05-20].
07:41:14 <ed> http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/errata/errata.xml#usecurrentview-should-be-read-only
07:42:05 <heycam> ED: i agree with this one, any objections to moving it to proposed?
07:42:12 <heycam> AG: should be fine
07:43:20 <ed> http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/errata/errata.xml#currentscale-should-not-throw
07:45:12 <heycam> ED: i'm ok with this
07:45:18 <heycam> JW: what about when you assign NaN?
07:45:35 <heycam> CM: i think that falls under the same category of things in the ecmascript binding that isn't specified currently
07:45:38 <heycam> ED: ok, move it to proposed
07:46:02 <ed> http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/errata/errata.xml#allow-foreignobject-outside-switch
07:47:03 <heycam> ED: i agree with this one, to allow <foreignObject> as a child of any container element
07:47:06 <heycam> ... not just <switch>
07:48:20 <heycam> CM: these dtd fragments are going to disappear from the chapters when the second edition is published
07:48:50 <heycam> ED: move it to proposed if there are no objections
07:49:46 <ed> http://dev.w3.org/SVG/profiles/1.1F2/errata/errata.xml#getbbox_clarification
07:50:43 <heycam> JW: do we say anything about calling getBBox() for elements outside the document
07:50:43 <heycam> CM: we do in tiny, but not in 1.1
07:51:28 <heycam> http://www.w3.org/TR/SVGTiny12/coords.html#BoundingBox
07:51:46 <heycam> Elements and document fragments which derive from SVGLocatable  but are not in the rendering tree, such as those in a 'defs'  element or those which have been been created but not yet inserted into the DOM, must still have a bounding box. The geometry of elements outside the rendering tree must take into account only those properties and values (such as 'font-size') which are specified within that element or document fragment, or which have a lacuna value  or an 
07:51:46 <heycam> implementation-defined value.
07:53:16 <heycam> CM: i'm ok with this erratum
07:53:20 <heycam> ED: ok, move it to proposed
07:59:35 <heycam> ACTION: Cameron to publish the errata after doing his other action
07:59:36 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2560 - Publish the errata after doing his other action [on Cameron McCormack - due 2009-05-20].
08:00:57 <Zakim> -anthony
08:00:58 <Zakim> -ed
08:00:58 <Zakim> -heycam
08:01:10 <Zakim> -jwatt
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08:01:38 <heycam> RRSAgent, make minutes
08:01:38 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/05/13-svg-minutes.html heycam
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