IRC log of pling on 2009-05-13

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12:03:27 [Zakim]
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12:03:40 [renato]
zakim, this will be pling
12:03:42 [Zakim]
ok, renato, I see P3P_PLING()8:00AM already started
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Chair: Marco
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Scribe: Renato
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Topic: Previous Actions
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Caary forward action for RI/RW about Media Annotations
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action: RI/RW to followup with Media Annotations WG
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Topic: other items
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add Social Web XG to Liaisons list
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IEEE policy workshop (to events)
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Topic: Policies in Cloud Computing - Giles Hogden
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CC new feature is pay for the resources that you need on demand
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4 characterisitces
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1 - scalability (up and down)
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2 - abstracted resources, virtulisation
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3 - shared resources
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4 - services on demand (pay as u go)
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(my spelling is poor!)
12:11:38 [Giles]
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CC is really taking of....
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real demanding network services
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study of security - risk assessment - for CC
12:14:08 [Giles]
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scenario 1 - SME migrating from traditional to CC infrastructure
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No 1 concern - confidentiality of the data
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No 1 - availability
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scenario 2 - ehealth
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Scenario 3 - improve resilience - acceptable level of service provision (in the event of disaster etc...)
12:19:40 [renato]
CC is ideal for a DoS attack!
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Take down the entire cloud platform/users
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...policy related issues
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authentication policies are less than optimal
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eg Amazon gives one key (for all users)
12:21:17 [Giles]
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new policy language for "simple q service"
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How to stop CC users from mounting attacks? How to sandbox the individual users?
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ISO27002 - IT Governance Std - mainly for those operating CC infrastructure
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Mapping internal Governance polices to distributed services - that u don't own
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Distributed services - which legal framework applies ? Depends on jurisdiction?
12:27:06 [renato]
Edge-nodes in different jurisdictions
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Audits hard as you have no audit trial..
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issues around liability...
12:28:16 [Giles]
12:28:24 [renato]
passing the buck - outsourcing the outsourcers
12:29:45 [renato]
Amazon Simple Queue Service (Amazon SQS) is a distributed queue messaging service
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12:29:58 [renato]
12:31:23 [renato]
Amazon Simple Queue Service
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Getting Started Guide (API Version 2008-01-01)
12:31:30 [renato]
12:32:47 [renato]
Marco - plan to synchronise with other Cloud initiatives?
12:33:43 [renato]
Giles; yes
12:34:09 [renato]
Ashok - other companies involved in what?
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Giles - the study includes 25 experts (from major companies...) eg HP, IBM etc
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Giles - terms of reference paper (not public)
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Giles - report will be public
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Giles - missing expertise on privacy...
12:42:23 [renato]
Jan - are there new issues here (eg privacy)?
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Giles - "service on demand" is a new issue
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Giles - most are new policy issues rather than technical
12:44:33 [renato]
Thanks Giles for the Presentation...clap clap clap
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Topic: PLING IG Note
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Geolocation and privacy
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Any ideas/contribution for W3C to take on in this area
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Uni Milan - some related work
12:51:13 [renato]
Create a new wiki page on this topic area - collect related works, projects etc
12:51:52 [renato]
Topic: Review of Wiki activities
12:52:29 [renato]
no added items
12:53:43 [renato]
add a wiki page for GeoLocation...Cloud Computing
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Topic: Liaisons
12:54:40 [Zakim]
- +035850487aaaa
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PICOS - in architectural phase
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Social Web XG - teleconf just started
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Topic: Events
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Giles - offers the island of Crete!
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Ashok - TPAC?
12:59:14 [Giles]
I have to go on time...
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Topic: AOB
13:00:26 [Zakim]
- +30281039aabb
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next meeting 10 June
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13:00:58 [renato]
zakim, bye
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leaving. As of this point the attendees were Ashok_Malhotra, +035850487aaaa, +30281039aabb
13:01:10 [renato]
rrsagent, make log public
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate renato
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rrsagent, bye
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I see 1 open action item saved in :
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ACTION: RI/RW to followup with Media Annotations WG [1]
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