IRC log of er on 2009-05-13

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Zakim, this will be 3794

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ok, trackbot; I see WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM scheduled to start in 13 minutes

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Meeting: Evaluation and Repair Tools Working Group Teleconference

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Date: 13 May 2009

12:18:12 [MikeS]

Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2009May/0006.html

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Chair: Mike

12:19:15 [MikeS]

zakim, agenda+ Publication timeline

12:19:15 [Zakim]

agendum 1 added

12:19:58 [MikeS]

zakim, agenda+ Pointers in RDF

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agendum 2 added

12:20:24 [MikeS]

zakim, agenda+ Aggregation

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agendum 3 added

12:20:51 [MikeS]

zakim, agenda+ EARL 1.0 Requirements

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agendum 4 added

12:21:01 [MikeS]

zakim, agenda+ Next and future meetings

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agendum 5 added

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WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has now started

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+MikeS

12:25:53 [MikeS]

zakim, +1.512 is MikeS

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sorry, MikeS, I do not recognize a party named '+1.512'

12:30:25 [MikeS]

zakim, who is on the phone?

12:30:25 [Zakim]

On the phone I see MikeS

12:31:33 [shadi]

z6akim, call shadi-617

12:31:39 [shadi]

zakim, call shadi-617

12:31:39 [Zakim]

ok, shadi; the call is being made

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-MikeS

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+MikeS

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+Shadi

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12:32:26 [MikeS]

Regrets: CarlosV

12:33:16 [Zakim]

+Carlos_Iglesias

12:36:08 [shadi]

scribe: Shadi

12:36:21 [shadi]

zakim, take up agendum 1

12:36:21 [Zakim]

agendum 1. "Publication timeline" taken up [from MikeS]

12:36:27 [shadi]

http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/timeline

12:37:58 [shadi]

MS: want to do a full Last Call publication

12:38:13 [shadi]

...need to confirm timeline and plan

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CI: think we can do it

12:38:41 [shadi]

...maybe the Guide is a little behind

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...but otherwise seems reasonable

12:39:58 [shadi]

SAZ: same concern about the Guide

12:40:06 [shadi]

...need to confirm with CarlosV

12:40:46 [shadi]

zakim, take up next

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agendum 2. "Pointers in RDF" taken up [from MikeS]

12:41:03 [shadi]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2009May/0007.html

12:42:26 [shadi]

MS: do we need "XML"? isn't it clear from the conext that ptr:Namespace is for XML content?

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+JohannesK

12:43:47 [shadi]

CI: property could be reused in other contexts

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...then it becomes ambiguous

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MS: even if we flip the order, we may be running against conventions

12:45:06 [shadi]

CI: prefer "NamespaceInXML" because it is clearer

12:45:26 [shadi]

...the second option "NamespaceXML" runs into the issue MS raised

12:46:34 [shadi]

SAZ: we have same issue in Content-in-RDF

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...http://www.w3.org/TR/Content-in-RDF/#xmlContentClass

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...need more generic solution

12:47:25 [shadi]

MS: don't object to "NamespaceInXML"

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JK: for Content we could use "WellFormedContent"

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CI: not sure if this is accurate

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JK: it has to be well formed

12:54:39 [shadi]

SAZ: are there other definitions of namespaces?

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CI: yes, think so

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Namespace

12:57:47 [shadi]

SAZ: only used in XPathPointer

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CI: and XPointerPointer because it is a subclass

12:59:48 [shadi]

JK: wonders if this is not a namespace mapping

13:00:32 [shadi]

CI: brings the same problem, because we are only focusing on XML

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MS: but in the context we are in it is restricted by XPointer

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JK: then we define it to be an XML namespace mapping

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MS: can also add an editor's note

13:03:43 [MikeS]

+1 for NamespaceMapping

13:03:55 [JohannesK]

+1

13:03:59 [shadi]

Resolution: reame the class to "NamespaceMapping" and add an editor's note in the document for feedback

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s/reame/rename

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CI: next issue is about usage of pointers

13:06:14 [shadi]

...propose to add a paragraph explaining that different pointers are more appropriate to different types of content

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...don't recommend that we define restrictions

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SAZ: agree with this proposal

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MS: me too

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Resolution: accept proposal to add a new paragraph explaining the usage of pointers

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CI: removed examples using abstract classes, as per previous discussions

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CI: next issue is about reusing examples

13:13:06 [shadi]

MS: maybe just say something like "referring to example X.Y.Z"

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http://www.w3.org/TR/EARL10-Schema/#example-6

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SAZ: Schema doc uses that approach

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MS: think we had already resolved the XPointerPointer issue

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CI: don't suggest we should rename

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...we'll respond politely

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Resolution: keep current naming of XPointerPointer because of naming convention

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MS: any other issues for this document?

13:18:13 [shadi]

CI: will provide an editor's draft before the next meeting

13:19:58 [shadi]

...once draft is up, will send responses to commentors

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zakim, take up next

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agendum 3. "Aggregation" taken up [from MikeS]

13:20:52 [shadi]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2009Apr/0032

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MS: distinguishing three types of "aggregation"

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CI: "combination" is already provided by RDF

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...the other two relate to definition of rules

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...which we decided is out of scope for EARL

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JK: agree

13:24:30 [shadi]

MS: don't get "combination" entirely for free

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...some tools may provide parts of test results

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SAZ: there is combination on a level of test results, then on the parts of test results

13:28:49 [shadi]

MS: if we only mean combination, do we need a requirement for aggregation?

13:30:14 [shadi]

CI: can keep the requirement, but don't think we need to address it any further

13:32:01 [shadi]

MS: so tweak wording towards combination?

13:32:26 [shadi]

SAZ: it supports aggregation given other parts

13:32:47 [shadi]

CI: think should only talk about EARL, so tweak towards combination

13:33:06 [shadi]

...and explain aggregation in the Guide

13:33:21 [shadi]

MS: will send one or two wording suggestions

13:34:20 [shadi]

Resolution: eliminate aggregation from requirements but mention it as part of combination, and to describe it further in the Guide

13:34:52 [shadi]

zakim, take up next

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agendum 4. "EARL 1.0 Requirements" taken up [from MikeS]

13:35:09 [shadi]

MS: please have a look at that and provide feedback

13:35:22 [shadi]

zakim, take up agendum 5

13:35:26 [Zakim]

agendum 5. "Next and future meetings" taken up [from MikeS]

13:36:26 [shadi]

JK: will be out next two weeks, will prepare something on HTTP-in-RDF and Content-in-RDF

13:36:55 [shadi]

trackbot, end meeting

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Zakim, list attendees

13:36:55 [Zakim]

As of this point the attendees have been MikeS, Shadi, Carlos_Iglesias, JohannesK

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RRSAgent, please draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/05/13-er-minutes.html trackbot

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RRSAgent, bye

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I see no action items

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-JohannesK