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12:51:03 <Holger> zakim, this will be INC_SSN
12:51:03 <Zakim> ok, Holger; I see INC_SSN()9:00AM scheduled to start in 9 minutes
12:51:28 <Holger> agenda+ Roll Call
12:51:52 <Holger> agenda+ Introduce New Members
12:52:08 <Holger> agenda+ Introduce Actions from Previous Meeting
12:52:32 <Holger> agenda+ Presentation by Michael
12:52:43 <Holger> agenda+ Discussion
12:52:50 <Holger> agenda+ AOB
12:53:01 <Holger> Chair: Holger
12:54:35 <Zakim> INC_SSN()9:00AM has now started
12:54:41 <Zakim> + +036223aaaa
12:54:57 <Holger> zakim, who's on the phone?
12:54:57 <Zakim> On the phone I see +036223aaaa
12:55:25 <Victor_> Victor_ has joined #ssn
12:55:31 <Holger> zakim, 036223aaa is Holger
12:55:31 <Zakim> sorry, Holger, I do not recognize a party named '036223aaa'
12:55:31 <Victor_> Hello
12:55:33 <Rodrigo> Rodrigo has joined #ssn
12:55:38 <michael> michael has joined #ssn
12:55:39 <Holger> zakim, 036223aaaa is Holger
12:55:39 <Zakim> sorry, Holger, I do not recognize a party named '036223aaaa'
12:55:52 <Holger> zakim, +036223aaaa is Holger
12:55:52 <Zakim> +Holger; got it
12:56:05 <Victor_> zakim, who is here?
12:56:05 <Zakim> On the phone I see Holger
12:56:06 <Zakim> On IRC I see michael, Rodrigo, Victor_, Zakim, RRSAgent, Holger, Danh, simon
12:56:14 <michael> hi all
12:56:23 <Holger> hi
12:56:49 <Victor_> zakim, agenda?
12:56:49 <Zakim> I see 6 items remaining on the agenda:
12:56:50 <Zakim> 1. Roll Call [from Holger]
12:56:51 <Zakim> 2. Introduce New Members [from Holger]
12:56:53 <Zakim> 3. Introduce Actions from Previous Meeting [from Holger]
12:56:55 <Zakim> 4. Presentation by Michael [from Holger]
12:56:58 <Zakim> 5. Discussion [from Holger]
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12:57:00 <Zakim> 6. AOB [from Holger]
12:57:24 <Zakim> +??P14
12:57:57 <Zakim> -??P14
12:58:10 <Holger> zakim, +??P14 is michael
12:58:10 <Zakim> sorry, Holger, I do not recognize a party named '+??P14'
12:58:16 <Zakim> +??P10
12:58:50 <Zakim> +??P14
12:59:01 <michael> zakim, ??P10 is michael
12:59:01 <Zakim> +michael; got it
12:59:09 <krp> krp has joined #ssn
12:59:29 <Zakim> +??P7
12:59:34 <Danh> I've just dialed in
12:59:43 <Zakim> +josema
12:59:47 <Rodrigo> Zakim, josema is me
12:59:49 <Zakim> +Rodrigo; got it
12:59:50 <Danh> Danh Le Phuoc, DERI, Ireland
12:59:56 <Rodrigo> Zakim, victor_ is with me
13:00:01 <Zakim> +victor_; got it
13:00:05 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
13:00:21 <Zakim> +Betty
13:00:37 <cory> cory has joined #ssn
13:01:02 <Zakim> + +34.91.729.aabb
13:01:16 <simon> lots of echo all around
13:01:24 <krp> yeah, lots of echo here too
13:01:29 <Zakim> + +1.937.775.aacc
13:01:35 <Victor_> yes, lots of echo
13:01:41 <Zakim> + +1.202.408.aadd
13:01:59 <Rodrigo> zakim, who is making noise?
13:02:10 <Zakim> Rodrigo, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: +1.202.408.aadd (22%), +1.937.775.aacc (4%), ??P7 (4%), ??P14 (29%), +34.91.729.aabb (31%)
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13:02:44 <krp> zakim, who is on the phone?
13:02:44 <Zakim> On the phone I see Holger, michael, ??P14, ??P7, Rodrigo, [IPcaller], Betty, +34.91.729.aabb, +1.937.775.aacc, +1.202.408.aadd
13:02:46 <Zakim> Rodrigo has Rodrigo, victor_
13:03:11 <Zakim> -Betty
13:03:24 <Zakim> + +49.25.aaee
13:03:34 <simon> is someone talking? 
13:03:43 <krzysztofjanowicz> hi
13:03:48 <Zakim> +Betty
13:04:05 <Zakim> -michael
13:04:33 <Zakim> +??P10
13:04:40 <krp> Zakim, Betty is krp
13:04:40 <Zakim> +krp; got it
13:04:50 <michael> zakim, ??P10 is michael
13:04:50 <Zakim> +michael; got it
13:05:10 <krp> There wasn't actually a Betty on, was there? ;)
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13:05:39 <Holger> agenda?
13:06:59 <AmitS> Let's select Scribe for next meeting also
13:07:38 <cory> scribenick: cory
13:08:06 <cory> scribe: Cory Henson
13:14:28 <Victor_> +q
13:14:35 <cory> John and Simon have added usecases to Wiki
13:15:10 <cory> action: add new page to wiki for usecases
13:15:49 <michael> actually I think John G. put some use cases on the state of the art page - at the bottom.
13:16:56 <cory> Francisco wants to know scope of usecases
13:18:20 <AmitS> +q AmitS
13:18:22 <cory> Holger: scope is capabilities of sensors and networks
13:18:35 <simon> Sorry - I will add links to use-cases - requires units/properties/quantity-type ontologies
13:18:50 <michael> yes from me too.
13:20:13 <cory> Francisco asks, should sensor semantics be linked to application semantics
13:21:39 <cory> amit_s, addition of domain ontologies will enable application semantics
13:23:51 <cory> amit_s, group should focus on domain-independent ontologies and upper level ontology for sensor domain
13:25:33 <michael> +q
13:25:53 <krp> +1 AmitS
13:26:46 <cory> all, usecases will focus on specific domains on interest
13:27:06 <michael> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/Main_Page
13:27:23 <Victor_> ok, I undestand it better now
13:28:32 <Victor_> ack me
13:28:53 <Holger> ack michael
13:28:59 <AmitS> where is the link to the slides?
13:29:04 <Holger> ack AmitS
13:29:17 <krp> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/ssn/wiki/images/f/f4/W3CSSN-XG_Ontology.pdf
13:29:26 <krp> (bottom of main wiki page)
13:31:55 <AmitS> discussion point: there are two ways to think about including multiple ontologies 
13:34:05 <simon> Do sensors measure only _physical_ qualities?
13:36:32 <AmitS> Why OWL-S when W3C has adoped SAWSDL?
13:38:06 <simon> What about sensor (process) _outputs_ - particularly important for systems
13:39:05 <AmitS> +q AmitS
13:39:50 <Holger> ack AmitS
13:41:38 <michael> +q
13:41:56 <cory> amit_s, should think about federated approach in addition to integration approach to ontology combination
13:42:10 <simon> +1 cory
13:43:18 <Holger> ack michael
13:43:56 <LuisBermudez> +q
13:46:17 <Holger> ack LuisBermudez
13:46:19 <simon> +1 Luis - yes, at least that was the intention of O&M and SML
13:46:26 <cory> Luis, use SML and O&M as basis of generic sensor ontology
13:46:48 <cory> +q
13:47:12 <AmitS> +1 Luis, we will have to essentially build upon O&M (and SML)
13:47:51 <AmitS> i.e., be cosistent with such that syntactically it would be O&M and semantic extention can be done using what we do
13:47:59 <Holger> ack cory
13:48:58 <simon> O&M defines terms 'observedProperty', 'featureOfInterest', 'procedure', 'result'
13:50:23 <simon> O&M Part 2 (Sampling Features) defines 'sampled feature', 'related sampling feature' - these are v important in most real use-cases
13:51:04 <cory> cory and simon: need to include O&M concepts into sensor ontology
13:53:40 <AmitS> refere to http://www.w3.org/TR/sawsdl/ for model reference 
13:53:44 <ktaylor2> +q
13:53:49 <ktaylor2> +q
13:54:15 <Holger> ack ktaylor2
13:54:18 <Holger> ack ktaylor2
13:54:21 <AmitS> as a way to associating semntics to any XML data (which all SWE messages are)
13:54:23 <Holger> ack ktaylor
13:56:11 <cory> kerry, use of owl-s to model through services
13:57:46 <cory> action: kerry to present video mpeg annotation
13:57:54 <simon> I need to leave to join next meeting
13:58:15 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
13:59:06 <AmitS> any one wants to offer a short talk next time?
13:59:57 <LuisBermudez> luis 
14:00:23 <cory> action:Luis to present next week
14:00:48 <cory> bye
14:00:49 <Zakim> - +49.25.aaee
14:00:50 <Zakim> - +34.91.729.aabb
14:00:51 <Zakim> - +1.937.775.aacc
14:00:52 <Zakim> -Rodrigo
14:00:53 <Zakim> -??P7
14:00:54 <krzysztofjanowicz> bye
14:00:56 <Zakim> -??P14
14:01:00 <LuisBermudez> bye
14:01:01 <Zakim> -krp
14:01:01 <michael> bye
14:01:03 <Danh> bye
14:01:05 <krp> thanks, bye
14:01:07 <Zakim> -michael
14:01:09 <Zakim> - +1.202.408.aadd
14:01:24 <Zakim> -Holger
14:01:28 <Zakim> INC_SSN()9:00AM has ended
14:01:30 <Zakim> Attendees were Holger, michael, Rodrigo, victor_, [IPcaller], +34.91.729.aabb, +1.937.775.aacc, +1.202.408.aadd, +49.25.aaee, krp
14:01:57 <cory> rrsagent, set logs world-visible
14:02:26 <cory> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:02:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/05/12-ssn-minutes.html cory
14:03:31 <Holger> OK Cory, thanks for taking the minutes. Can you please send the link to the mailing list?
14:05:23 <Holger> Cory, thanks again, see you next time!
14:06:15 <Holger> zakim, bye
14:06:15 <Zakim> Zakim has left #ssn
14:06:38 <Holger> rrsagent, bye
14:06:38 <RRSAgent> I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2009/05/12-ssn-actions.rdf :
14:06:38 <RRSAgent> ACTION: add new page to wiki for usecases [1]
14:06:38 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/05/12-ssn-irc#T13-15-10
14:06:38 <RRSAgent> ACTION: kerry to present video mpeg annotation [2]
14:06:38 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/05/12-ssn-irc#T13-57-46
14:06:38 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Luis to present next week [3]
14:06:38 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/05/12-ssn-irc#T14-00-23