IRC log of mediaann on 2009-05-12

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12:00:19 [Zakim]

+ +049851509aacc

12:00:20 [joakim]

chair: Joakim

12:00:31 [joakim]

scribe: Florian

12:01:08 [Zakim]

+[VrijeUni]

12:01:28 [veroniqueM]

zakim, [VrijeUni] is me

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+ +43.316.876.aadd

12:01:30 [Zakim]

+veroniqueM; got it

12:02:11 [wbailer]

zakim, aadd is me

12:02:11 [Zakim]

+wbailer; got it

12:02:19 [joakim]

agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009May/0041.html

12:03:06 [joakim]

regrets: JP, Felix

12:03:23 [joakim]

http://www.w3.org/2009/04/28-mediaann-minutes.html

12:04:43 [florian]

scribe for next meeting: PA

12:05:14 [florian]

next meeting 19.05. (same time)

12:05:20 [joakim]

F2F 4 in Stockholm 25-26 June

12:05:53 [veroniqueM]

I will be at a conference at these dates, I will not be able to attend, sorry!

12:05:53 [joakim]

http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/open

12:05:56 [florian]

agenda (a) F2F in Stockholm (logistics)

12:06:19 [florian]

agenda (b) reviewing the action items

12:06:53 [florian]

ACTION-43 for Thierry: not at the irc

12:07:08 [florian]

ACTION-47 for Werner: ongoing

12:07:47 [florian]

ACTION-94 for Joakim

12:08:17 [florian]

Joakim: wants to close ACTION-94 (allready discussed)

12:08:33 [florian]

ACTION-101 for Felix

12:09:03 [florian]

Veronique: Felix still waiting for publishment of the draft (ongoing)

12:09:48 [florian]

ACTION-102 for Veronique (open)

12:10:23 [tobias]

btw: I now got my CVS account

12:11:05 [florian]

ACTION-109 for David: working on it (open)

12:11:13 [florian]

close ACTION-110

12:11:13 [trackbot]

ACTION-110 Double check the next F2F meeting date for other complicated things closed

12:11:56 [florian]

ACTION-111 for Felix

12:12:25 [florian]

Veronique: published a new link on the mailing list concerning the topic

12:12:51 [florian]

... suggests to send the link not via the mailing list but personally

12:13:21 [joakim]

http://dev.w3.org/2008/video/mediaann/mediaont-req/mediaont-req.html

12:13:31 [veroniqueM]

Felix has sent a link to the updated version of the UC and Req document on the list

12:13:33 [florian]

agenda (c) status of the UC & Req document

12:14:13 [florian]

Joakim: the new version was not published

12:14:44 [florian]

agenda (d) initial draft of the Ontology for Media Entity 1.0

12:15:08 [florian]

Wonsuk: currently mapping table is missing

12:15:27 [florian]

... recieved initial draft from Veronique and Victor commented this

12:15:54 [florian]

http://dev.w3.org/2008/video/mediaann/mediaont-req/mediaont-req.html

12:15:57 [florian]

oh sorry

12:16:06 [florian]

http://dev.w3.org/2008/video/mediaann/mediaont-1.0/mediaont-1.0.html

12:16:25 [florian]

Joakim: few formats are missing in the document

12:16:57 [joakim]

Gotten: MediaRss, TXfeed, Youtube, VRA, MPEG7, SMTP, CableLabs

12:17:36 [florian]

Wonsuk: wants to contact the editors of the missing formats

12:17:57 [florian]

Joakim: new deadline for this friday (15.05.09)

12:18:04 [joakim]

veronique?

12:19:21 [florian]

Tobias: what should the editors do

12:19:49 [florian]

Joakim: make a final mapping for the missing formats (somehow in one column)

12:20:22 [florian]

close ACTION-94

12:20:22 [trackbot]

ACTION-94 Talk about the liaison with the WebApps WG about their document "The Media Object Specification" and relation with our API. closed

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Veronique: suggests to contact the editors directly

12:21:31 [florian]

... to be sure that they will get it till next friday

12:21:45 [veroniqueM]

and not via the mailing list, as they did not react previously to the calls on the list

12:22:19 [joakim]

Missing: ID3v2, iTunes, QT, SearchMnkey, LOM, EXIF, MIX, FRBR, TV-Anytime, EBU,

12:22:23 [Zakim]

+??P11

12:22:44 [tbrger]

I suppose this action was distributed initially at the F2F which not all of us attended; so therefore the calls to the list were not recognized properly; mabye.

12:23:01 [veroniqueM]

probably, yes

12:23:09 [florian]

think so, too

12:23:20 [veroniqueM]

still, a direct contact might be more efficient :)

12:23:33 [tbrger]

I think so, too :-)

12:23:35 [florian]

you are right veronique

12:24:21 [florian]

Victor: currently not reviewing any formats

12:24:26 [florian]

... will choose one

12:25:10 [florian]

Veronique: wanted to know if victor is in charge of FRBR

12:25:25 [florian]

Joakim: now we need the final version, not volunteers

12:25:51 [florian]

Victor: offers the review till friday

12:26:09 [florian]

Veronique: definition section is wrong

12:26:33 [florian]

... needs an update

12:26:42 [florian]

... also the introduction should be longer

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12:27:08 [florian]

... media entity not so cryptic

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Joakim: reviews the introduction

12:28:32 [florian]

Veronique: section 4.2.1 should be reviewed

12:28:45 [florian]

Victor: reviews 4.2.1

12:29:18 [florian]

Veronique: reviews the terminology part (2.1)

12:29:49 [victor]

I have provided a first review to section 4.2.1 (in a Word sent to the email list)

12:29:58 [joakim]

I agree - lets coordinate with FRAGGROUP

12:30:00 [florian]

Werner: wants to know what to do with the terminology (fix it in this document, or in another draft)

12:30:13 [florian]

... reffering to fragment group?

12:30:20 [pchampin]

+1 for aligning vocabulary with Media Fragment

12:30:25 [florian]

+1

12:30:33 [veroniqueM]

+1

12:30:37 [wonsuk]

+1

12:30:38 [joakim]

can we give an action to someone to sort the key terms with media frag?

12:30:50 [florian]

think so

12:30:57 [veroniqueM]

well, I can see that in the terminology section

12:31:09 [victor]

+1

12:31:13 [joakim]

key terms, for example: entity?

12:31:33 [joakim]

resource, representation

12:31:44 [florian]

Werner: wwe can not avoid miss understandment without definition

12:31:59 [florian]

Veronique: select one definition for our terms

12:32:06 [florian]

s/wwe/we

12:32:52 [florian]

PA: ambiguity can not be completly avoided

12:33:50 [florian]

Veronique: fragment group is talking about ressources in contrast to MAWG

12:34:26 [florian]

Joakim: proposed entity because it is either a ressource or a representation

12:34:40 [florian]

Veronique: entity is the most neutral term

12:35:01 [florian]

... still ambiguous

12:35:22 [florian]

Joakim: Action in order to identify the most important key words

12:35:53 [florian]

Veronique: in charge of section 4

12:36:21 [veroniqueM]

I will revise the terminology

12:38:28 [florian]

Joakim: florian makes a first version and than Veronique makes a review

12:38:45 [florian]

... accoridng to section 2.1

12:38:58 [florian]

s/accoridng/according

12:40:03 [florian]

Wonsuk: when will the review be fininshed?

12:40:10 [florian]

florian: till monday

12:40:12 [joakim]

Wonsuk: How about you get all updates before sunday night?

12:40:13 [joakim]

Wonsuk: How about you get all updates before sunday night?

12:40:36 [florian]

monday would be better ;)

12:41:06 [florian]

Joakim: tranform the mapping table will take 2-3 daysw

12:41:12 [florian]

s/daysw/days

12:41:26 [florian]

Victor: how is the contribution passed

12:41:43 [florian]

+1 @ Veronique

12:42:04 [florian]

shall i open actions? or will you do it joakim?

12:42:24 [florian]

Wonsuk: tells how to contribute

12:42:34 [victor]

perfect.

12:43:49 [florian]

ACTION: Joakim to review the introduction of Ontology for Media Entity 1.0

12:43:49 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-113 - Review the introduction of Ontology for Media Entity 1.0 [on Joakim Söderberg - due 2009-05-19].

12:44:39 [florian]

ACTION: Florian reviewing section 2.1 of Ontology for Media Entity 1.0 (with the Fragment Group)

12:44:39 [trackbot]

Sorry, couldn't find user - Florian

12:44:48 [florian]

ACTION: florian reviewing section 2.1 of Ontology for Media Entity 1.0 (with the Fragment Group)

12:44:48 [trackbot]

Sorry, couldn't find user - florian

12:45:38 [wonsuk]

zakim, who is on the phone?

12:45:38 [Zakim]

On the phone I see pchampin, ??P1, +46.1.07.19.aaaa, +82.10.58.00.aabb, +049851509aacc, veroniqueM, wbailer, ??P11

12:45:49 [joakim]

: Zakim, ??P4 is me

12:46:00 [florian]

Zakim, +049851509aacc is me

12:46:00 [Zakim]

+florian; got it

12:46:12 [florian]

ACTION: florian reviewing section 2.1 of Ontology for Media Entity 1.0 (with the initial document of the Fragment Group)

12:46:12 [trackbot]

Sorry, couldn't find user - florian

12:46:12 [wonsuk]

Zakim, +82.10.58.00.aabb is me

12:46:12 [Zakim]

+wonsuk; got it

12:46:55 [florian]

ACTION: Victor review of section 4 of Ontology for Media Entity 1.0

12:46:55 [trackbot]

Sorry, couldn't find user - Victor

12:47:04 [wonsuk]

zakim, who is here?

12:47:04 [Zakim]

On the phone I see pchampin, ??P1, +46.1.07.19.aaaa, wonsuk, florian, veroniqueM, wbailer, ??P11

12:47:06 [Zakim]

On IRC I see victor, tbrger, RRSAgent, wonsuk, Zakim, veroniqueM, joakim, wbailer, pchampin, florian, shepazu, trackbot

12:47:14 [florian]

ACTION: florian reviewing section 2.1 of Ontology for Media Entity 1.0 (with the initial document of the Fragment Group)

12:47:14 [trackbot]

Sorry, couldn't find user - florian

12:47:27 [florian]

ACTION: veronique reviewing section 2.1 of Ontology for Media Entity 1.0 (with the initial document of the Fragment Group)

12:47:27 [trackbot]

Sorry, couldn't find user - veronique

12:47:51 [florian]

ACTION: victor review of section 4 of Ontology for Media Entity 1.0

12:47:51 [trackbot]

Sorry, couldn't find user - victor

12:47:53 [joakim]

http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/MediaOntology

12:48:00 [florian]

ACTION: veroniqueM reviewing section 2.1 of Ontology for Media Entity 1.0 (with the initial document of the Fragment Group)

12:48:00 [trackbot]

Sorry, couldn't find user - veroniqueM

12:48:21 [florian]

sorry...trackbot doesn?t know us ;) (veronique, victor, me)

12:48:31 [florian]

we should try not to forget the action

12:48:48 [florian]

yes it is

12:49:08 [florian]

perhaps because i?m a scribe-beginner

12:49:09 [florian]

sry

12:49:33 [florian]

Werner: brosweable version of the mapping table would be good, but much work

12:50:35 [joakim]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Apr/0085.html

12:51:19 [florian]

Werner: two minor properties which are missing

12:51:37 [florian]

... design question if they should be seperate elements

12:52:05 [florian]

... tag line type of title (but is part of many other formats)

12:53:12 [joakim]

it's an asssociated resource, not the actual item

12:53:51 [joakim]

PA: solve this by having a relation: "associated resource"

12:56:33 [pchampin]

an intermediate solution would be that the API provide the "original" relation

12:57:02 [florian]

Joakim: how to collect this attributes in the feature?

12:57:08 [pchampin]

e.g. "the value for ma:relation is "thmb.png", and the original relation is exif:thumbnail"

12:57:08 [florian]

... section in the current version?

12:57:32 [florian]

Werner: tries to collect the terms of the discussion and the mailing list

12:57:48 [florian]

... makes sense to sort out these candidates

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12:58:31 [florian]

ACTION: Werner add a Wiki Page for Candidates

12:58:31 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-114 - Add a Wiki Page for Candidates [on Werner Bailer - due 2009-05-19].

12:58:32 [wonsuk]

+1 for joakim

12:58:38 [tobias]

I also sent some comments regarding the properties beginning of May: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009May/0000.html

13:00:16 [florian]

Veronique: let the industry review our elements

13:00:31 [victor]

ok

13:00:36 [florian]

Joakim: postpone the API discussion for the next telecon#

13:00:41 [veroniqueM]

be proactive to get feedback from the industry

13:00:51 [Zakim]

-wbailer

13:00:54 [Zakim]

-veroniqueM

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-pchampin

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-florian

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-??P11

13:01:01 [wonsuk]

bye~~

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-??P1

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-wonsuk

13:01:33 [joakim]

rrsagent, draft minutes

13:01:33 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/05/12-mediaann-minutes.html joakim

13:02:03 [joakim]

i think that shoudl be it

13:02:26 [Zakim]

- +46.1.07.19.aaaa

13:02:28 [Zakim]

IA_MAWG()8:00AM has ended

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Attendees were pchampin, +46.1.07.19.aaaa, +43.316.876.aadd, veroniqueM, wbailer, florian, wonsuk

13:03:29 [joakim]

please send a link of the minutes to the mailing lsit :-)

13:03:33 [joakim]

list

13:03:51 [florian]

ok, but i have not enough rights to look at is

13:03:55 [florian]

-is+it

13:04:50 [florian]

but i?ll send it

13:04:59 [florian]

could you please open the last actions?

13:05:37 [florian]

the first action was for victor to review section 4 and the second was for me two provide a new version of section 2.1 to veronique in order to review it

13:05:47 [florian]

i was not able to open them

13:10:26 [florian]

rrsagent, make log public

13:10:40 [florian]

rrsagent, draft minutes

13:10:40 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/05/12-mediaann-minutes.html florian

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/05/12-mediaann-minutes.html felix

13:38:59 [joakim]

Hi felix

13:39:39 [joakim]

I have an action to (ask) remind Dough to publish it. Coz your links are the publishable version right?

13:39:46 [joakim]

(yes)

13:39:48 [felix]

yes

13:40:12 [joakim]

So I ll send an email to Dough, asking for publication

13:40:14 [felix]

all doug needs to do is to adjust the links related to the date, that is the pub date

13:40:33 [felix]

that would be great, I tried to ping him too but did not get a reply yet

13:42:28 [joakim]

ok

13:46:08 [florian]

joakim, i will fix the remaining actions...i think zakim didn?t open them correctly

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