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12:00:19 <Zakim> + +049851509aacc
12:00:20 <joakim> chair: Joakim
12:00:31 <joakim> scribe: Florian
12:01:08 <Zakim> +[VrijeUni]
12:01:28 <veroniqueM> zakim, [VrijeUni] is me
12:01:30 <Zakim> + +43.316.876.aadd
12:01:30 <Zakim> +veroniqueM; got it
12:02:11 <wbailer> zakim, aadd is me
12:02:11 <Zakim> +wbailer; got it
12:02:19 <joakim> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009May/0041.html
12:03:06 <joakim> regrets: JP, Felix
12:03:23 <joakim> http://www.w3.org/2009/04/28-mediaann-minutes.html
12:04:43 <florian> scribe for next meeting: PA
12:05:14 <florian> next meeting 19.05. (same time)
12:05:20 <joakim> F2F 4 in Stockholm 25-26 June
12:05:53 <veroniqueM> I will be at a conference at these dates, I will not be able to attend, sorry!
12:05:53 <joakim> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/open
12:05:56 <florian> agenda (a) F2F in Stockholm (logistics)
12:06:19 <florian> agenda (b) reviewing the action items
12:06:53 <florian> ACTION-43 for Thierry: not at the irc
12:07:08 <florian> ACTION-47 for  Werner: ongoing
12:07:47 <florian> ACTION-94 for Joakim
12:08:17 <florian> Joakim: wants to close ACTION-94 (allready discussed)
12:08:33 <florian> ACTION-101 for Felix
12:09:03 <florian> Veronique: Felix still waiting for publishment of the draft (ongoing)
12:09:48 <florian> ACTION-102 for Veronique (open)
12:10:23 <tobias> btw: I now got my CVS account
12:11:05 <florian> ACTION-109 for David: working on it (open)
12:11:13 <florian> close ACTION-110
12:11:13 <trackbot> ACTION-110 Double check the next F2F meeting date for other complicated things closed
12:11:56 <florian> ACTION-111 for Felix
12:12:25 <florian> Veronique: published a new link on the mailing list concerning the topic
12:12:51 <florian> ... suggests to send the link not via the mailing list but personally
12:13:21 <joakim> http://dev.w3.org/2008/video/mediaann/mediaont-req/mediaont-req.html 
12:13:31 <veroniqueM> Felix has sent a link to the updated version of the UC and Req document on the list
12:13:33 <florian> agenda (c) status of the UC & Req document
12:14:13 <florian> Joakim: the new version was not published
12:14:44 <florian> agenda (d) initial draft of the Ontology for Media Entity 1.0
12:15:08 <florian> Wonsuk: currently mapping table is missing
12:15:27 <florian> ... recieved initial draft from Veronique and Victor commented this
12:15:54 <florian> http://dev.w3.org/2008/video/mediaann/mediaont-req/mediaont-req.html
12:15:57 <florian> oh sorry
12:16:06 <florian> http://dev.w3.org/2008/video/mediaann/mediaont-1.0/mediaont-1.0.html
12:16:25 <florian> Joakim: few formats are missing in the document
12:16:57 <joakim> Gotten: MediaRss, TXfeed, Youtube, VRA, MPEG7, SMTP, CableLabs
12:17:36 <florian> Wonsuk: wants to contact the editors of the missing formats
12:17:57 <florian> Joakim: new deadline for this friday (15.05.09)
12:18:04 <joakim> veronique?
12:19:21 <florian> Tobias: what should the editors do
12:19:49 <florian> Joakim: make a final mapping for the missing formats (somehow in one column)
12:20:22 <florian> close ACTION-94
12:20:22 <trackbot> ACTION-94 Talk about the liaison with the WebApps WG about their document "The Media Object Specification" and relation with our API. closed
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12:21:09 <florian> Veronique: suggests to contact the editors directly
12:21:31 <florian> ... to be sure that they will get it till next friday
12:21:45 <veroniqueM> and not via the mailing list, as they did not react previously to the calls on the list
12:22:19 <joakim> Missing: ID3v2, iTunes, QT, SearchMnkey, LOM, EXIF, MIX, FRBR, TV-Anytime, EBU, 
12:22:23 <Zakim> +??P11
12:22:44 <tbrger> I suppose this action was distributed initially at the F2F which not all of us attended; so therefore the calls to the list were not recognized properly; mabye.
12:23:01 <veroniqueM> probably, yes
12:23:09 <florian> think so, too
12:23:20 <veroniqueM> still, a direct contact might be more efficient :)
12:23:33 <tbrger> I think so, too :-)
12:23:35 <florian> you are right veronique
12:24:21 <florian> Victor: currently not reviewing any formats
12:24:26 <florian> ... will choose one
12:25:10 <florian> Veronique: wanted to know if victor is in charge of FRBR
12:25:25 <florian> Joakim: now we need the final version, not volunteers
12:25:51 <florian> Victor: offers the review till friday
12:26:09 <florian> Veronique: definition section is wrong
12:26:33 <florian> ... needs an update
12:26:42 <florian> ... also the introduction should be longer
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12:27:08 <florian> ... media entity not so cryptic
12:27:43 <florian> Joakim: reviews the introduction
12:28:32 <florian> Veronique: section 4.2.1 should be reviewed
12:28:45 <florian> Victor: reviews 4.2.1
12:29:18 <florian> Veronique: reviews the terminology part (2.1)
12:29:49 <victor> I have provided a first review to section 4.2.1 (in a Word sent to the email list)
12:29:58 <joakim> I agree - lets coordinate with FRAGGROUP
12:30:00 <florian> Werner: wants to know what to do with the terminology (fix it in this document, or in another draft)
12:30:13 <florian> ... reffering to fragment group?
12:30:20 <pchampin> +1 for aligning vocabulary with Media Fragment
12:30:25 <florian> +1 
12:30:33 <veroniqueM> +1
12:30:37 <wonsuk> +1
12:30:38 <joakim> can we give an action to someone to sort the key terms with media frag?
12:30:50 <florian> think so
12:30:57 <veroniqueM> well, I can see that in the terminology section
12:31:09 <victor> +1
12:31:13 <joakim> key terms, for example:  entity?
12:31:33 <joakim> resource, representation
12:31:44 <florian> Werner: wwe can not avoid miss understandment without definition
12:31:59 <florian> Veronique: select one definition for our terms
12:32:06 <florian> s/wwe/we
12:32:52 <florian> PA: ambiguity can not be completly avoided
12:33:50 <florian> Veronique: fragment group is talking about ressources in contrast to MAWG
12:34:26 <florian> Joakim: proposed entity because it is either a ressource or a representation
12:34:40 <florian> Veronique: entity is the most neutral term
12:35:01 <florian> ... still ambiguous
12:35:22 <florian> Joakim: Action in order to identify the most important key words
12:35:53 <florian> Veronique: in charge of section 4
12:36:21 <veroniqueM> I will revise the terminology
12:38:28 <florian> Joakim: florian makes a first version and than Veronique makes a review 
12:38:45 <florian> ... accoridng to section 2.1
12:38:58 <florian> s/accoridng/according
12:40:03 <florian> Wonsuk: when will the review be fininshed?
12:40:10 <florian> florian: till monday
12:40:12 <joakim> Wonsuk: How about you get all updates before sunday night?
12:40:13 <joakim> Wonsuk: How about you get all updates before sunday night?
12:40:36 <florian> monday would be better ;)
12:41:06 <florian> Joakim: tranform the mapping table will take 2-3 daysw
12:41:12 <florian> s/daysw/days
12:41:26 <florian> Victor: how is the contribution passed
12:41:43 <florian> +1 @ Veronique
12:42:04 <florian> shall i open actions? or will you do it joakim?
12:42:24 <florian> Wonsuk: tells how to contribute
12:42:34 <victor> perfect.
12:43:49 <florian> ACTION: Joakim to review the introduction of Ontology for Media Entity 1.0
12:43:49 <trackbot> Created ACTION-113 - Review the introduction of Ontology for Media Entity 1.0 [on Joakim Söderberg - due 2009-05-19].
12:44:39 <florian> ACTION: Florian reviewing section 2.1 of Ontology for Media Entity 1.0 (with the Fragment Group)
12:44:39 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Florian
12:44:48 <florian> ACTION: florian reviewing section 2.1 of Ontology for Media Entity 1.0 (with the Fragment Group)
12:44:48 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - florian
12:45:38 <wonsuk> zakim, who is on the phone?
12:45:38 <Zakim> On the phone I see pchampin, ??P1, +46.1.07.19.aaaa, +82.10.58.00.aabb, +049851509aacc, veroniqueM, wbailer, ??P11
12:45:49 <joakim> : Zakim, ??P4 is me
12:46:00 <florian> Zakim, +049851509aacc is me
12:46:00 <Zakim> +florian; got it
12:46:12 <florian> ACTION: florian reviewing section 2.1 of Ontology for Media Entity 1.0 (with the initial document of the Fragment Group)
12:46:12 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - florian
12:46:12 <wonsuk> Zakim, +82.10.58.00.aabb is me
12:46:12 <Zakim> +wonsuk; got it
12:46:55 <florian> ACTION: Victor review of section 4 of Ontology for Media Entity 1.0
12:46:55 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Victor
12:47:04 <wonsuk> zakim, who is here?
12:47:04 <Zakim> On the phone I see pchampin, ??P1, +46.1.07.19.aaaa, wonsuk, florian, veroniqueM, wbailer, ??P11
12:47:06 <Zakim> On IRC I see victor, tbrger, RRSAgent, wonsuk, Zakim, veroniqueM, joakim, wbailer, pchampin, florian, shepazu, trackbot
12:47:14 <florian> ACTION: florian reviewing section 2.1 of Ontology for Media Entity 1.0 (with the initial document of the Fragment Group)
12:47:14 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - florian
12:47:27 <florian> ACTION: veronique reviewing section 2.1 of Ontology for Media Entity 1.0 (with the initial document of the Fragment Group)
12:47:27 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - veronique
12:47:51 <florian> ACTION: victor review of section 4 of Ontology for Media Entity 1.0
12:47:51 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - victor
12:47:53 <joakim>      http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/MediaOntology
12:48:00 <florian> ACTION: veroniqueM reviewing section 2.1 of Ontology for Media Entity 1.0 (with the initial document of the Fragment Group)
12:48:00 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - veroniqueM
12:48:21 <florian> sorry...trackbot doesn?t know us ;) (veronique, victor, me)
12:48:31 <florian> we should try not to forget the action
12:48:48 <florian> yes it is
12:49:08 <florian> perhaps because i?m a scribe-beginner
12:49:09 <florian> sry
12:49:33 <florian> Werner: brosweable version of the mapping table would be good, but much work
12:50:35 <joakim> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Apr/0085.html
12:51:19 <florian> Werner: two minor properties which are missing
12:51:37 <florian> ... design question if they should be seperate elements
12:52:05 <florian> ... tag line type of title (but is part of many other formats)
12:53:12 <joakim> it's an asssociated resource, not the actual item
12:53:51 <joakim> PA: solve this by having a relation: "associated resource"
12:56:33 <pchampin> an intermediate solution would be that the API provide the "original" relation
12:57:02 <florian> Joakim: how to collect this attributes in the feature?
12:57:08 <pchampin> e.g. "the value for ma:relation is "thmb.png", and the original relation is exif:thumbnail"
12:57:08 <florian> ... section in the current version?
12:57:32 <florian> Werner: tries to collect the terms of the discussion and the mailing list
12:57:48 <florian> ... makes sense to sort out these candidates
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12:58:31 <florian> ACTION: Werner add a Wiki Page for Candidates
12:58:31 <trackbot> Created ACTION-114 - Add a Wiki Page for Candidates [on Werner Bailer - due 2009-05-19].
12:58:32 <wonsuk> +1 for joakim
12:58:38 <tobias> I also sent some comments regarding the properties beginning of May: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009May/0000.html
13:00:16 <florian> Veronique: let the industry review our elements
13:00:31 <victor> ok
13:00:36 <florian> Joakim: postpone the API discussion for the next telecon#
13:00:41 <veroniqueM> be proactive to get feedback from the industry
13:00:51 <Zakim> -wbailer
13:00:54 <Zakim> -veroniqueM
13:00:56 <Zakim> -pchampin
13:00:57 <Zakim> -florian
13:00:59 <Zakim> -??P11
13:01:01 <wonsuk> bye~~
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13:01:31 <Zakim> -wonsuk
13:01:33 <joakim> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:01:33 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/05/12-mediaann-minutes.html joakim
13:02:03 <joakim> i think that shoudl be it
13:02:26 <Zakim> - +46.1.07.19.aaaa
13:02:28 <Zakim> IA_MAWG()8:00AM has ended
13:02:29 <Zakim> Attendees were pchampin, +46.1.07.19.aaaa, +43.316.876.aadd, veroniqueM, wbailer, florian, wonsuk
13:03:29 <joakim> please send a link of the minutes to the mailing lsit :-)
13:03:33 <joakim> list
13:03:51 <florian> ok, but i have not enough rights to look at is
13:03:55 <florian> -is+it
13:04:50 <florian> but i?ll send it
13:04:59 <florian> could you please open the last actions?
13:05:37 <florian> the first action was for victor to review section 4 and the second was for me two provide a new version of section 2.1 to veronique in order to review it
13:05:47 <florian> i was not able to open them
13:10:26 <florian> rrsagent, make log public
13:10:40 <florian> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:10:40 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/05/12-mediaann-minutes.html florian
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13:37:02 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/05/12-mediaann-minutes.html felix
13:38:59 <joakim> Hi felix
13:39:39 <joakim> I have an action to (ask) remind Dough to publish it. Coz your links are the publishable version right?
13:39:46 <joakim> (yes)
13:39:48 <felix> yes
13:40:12 <joakim> So I ll send an email to Dough, asking for publication 
13:40:14 <felix> all doug needs to do is to adjust the links related to the date, that is the pub date
13:40:33 <felix> that would be great, I tried to ping him too but did not get a reply yet
13:42:28 <joakim> ok
13:46:08 <florian> joakim, i will fix the remaining actions...i think zakim didn?t open them correctly
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