IRC log of ua on 2009-05-07
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- rrsagent, set logs public
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- WAI_UAWG()1:00PM has now started
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- +[Microsoft]
- 16:55:51 [kford]
- zakim, microsoft is kford
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- +kford; got it
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- +Allanj
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- zakim, code?
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- the conference code is 82941 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), jeanne
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- +Jeanne
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- zakim, code?
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- the conference code is 82941 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Jan
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- +??P5
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- zakim, ??P5 is sharper
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- +sharper; got it
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- +[IPcaller]
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- zakim, [IPcaller] is really Jan
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- +Jan; got it
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- +Kim_Patch
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- +??P12
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- zakim, P12 is really Mark_Hakkinen
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- sorry, AllanJ, I do not recognize a party named 'P12'
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- zakim, ??P12 is really Mark_Hakkinen
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- +Mark_Hakkinen; got it
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- + +1.425.895.aaaa
- 17:05:52 [AllanJ]
- zakim, aaaa is really Greg_Lowney
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- +Greg_Lowney; got it
- 17:09:09 [AllanJ]
- GL: Introduces self
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- all: introductions
- 17:16:30 [AllanJ]
- agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2009AprJun/0038.html
- 17:18:03 [kford]
- Group going through intros.
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- zakim, list agenda
- 17:18:53 [Zakim]
- I see nothing on the agenda
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- Agenda+ Logistics (Regrets, agenda requests, comments)?
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- Agenda+ Survey Results
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- http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/200905
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- Agenda+ Survey Results
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- http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/20090505/
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- zakim close item 3
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- zakim take up item 1
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- zakim takeup item 2
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- zakim item 2
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- Scribe: kford
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- zakim, take up item 2
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- agendum 2. "Survey Results" taken up [from kford]
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- Taking up #38 Text Configuration
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- Jan Proposal 3.6.2 Text Scale Distinctions: when rendered text is rescaled, the user has the option to either preserve or remove distinctions in the relatives scales
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- of rendered text. (Level A)
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- -Jan
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- +??P11
- 17:31:10 [AllanJ]
- KF: MH comment in survey. Requires AT. should expand to include Jan's wording
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- zakim, ??P11 is really Jan
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- +Jan; got it
- 17:32:56 [AllanJ]
- JA: +1 Jan wording
- 17:33:08 [AllanJ]
- MH: +1 Jan wording
- 17:33:21 [kford]
- GL: In general proposal looks good. One question does current proposal allow wiggle room that would allow multiple designs that might be good or bad.
- 17:34:50 [kford]
- GL: One can imaging scaling up all items at same rate.
- 17:35:26 [kford]
- G: Second is like a word draft mode.GL: Option 3 I want everything to scale at same relative percentages but don't make anything beyond size X.
- 17:35:46 [Jan]
- q+ to say also could set a floor
- 17:35:55 [kford]
- GL: Do we want a UA author to be able to do this?
- 17:36:11 [kford]
- GL: Capping size is more complicated.
- 17:36:34 [kford]
- KP: What I want is a particular type of text in one font and everything else in something eolse?
- 17:38:15 [AllanJ]
- KP: change size by class of text (headings, etc.)
- 17:39:35 [AllanJ]
- KF: this is a good idea. perhaps should have a requirement. build user css based on page
- 17:39:56 [kford]
- JR: Another thing to think about is that the user might not want something below size X. I think we need to rewrite taking this all into consideration.
- 17:40:11 [AllanJ]
- JR: set floor and ceiling. need rewrite
- 17:40:33 [kford]
- GL: A floor and a ceiling are good ideas. We have to think about the level that these are. Setting everything to a given font may be easier.
- 17:40:56 [Jan]
- ack Jan
- 17:40:56 [Zakim]
- Jan, you wanted to say also could set a floor
- 17:41:13 [kford]
- GL: I could imagine the single size being level A and floor and ceiling being AA.
- 17:42:10 [kford]
- Some clarification around rendered text and whether this applies to content and UI.
- 17:42:27 [kford]
- As written this applied to rendered text.
- 17:44:58 [kford]
- Some discussion around how W3C specs could reference ISO standards and any plans.
- 17:46:44 [AllanJ]
- JR: can refence informationally to other standards
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- q+
- 17:47:51 [AllanJ]
- KF: Jan proposal, but many expansions, should rewrite.
- 17:47:58 [AllanJ]
- JA: summary: scale fonts, min/max, floor - bring anything smaller upto a min size, remove distinctions when scaling,
- 17:49:21 [kford]
- Action: Greg to update 3.6.2 for text sizing.
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- Sorry, couldn't find user - Greg
- 17:50:35 [kford]
- Next Up: #53 Allow users supplied stylesheets
- 17:53:28 [Jan]
- q+
- 17:53:49 [AllanJ]
- ack kford
- 17:53:56 [AllanJ]
- ack jan
- 17:54:37 [AllanJ]
- JR: what is data of user supplied style sheet
- 17:54:45 [AllanJ]
- KF: low
- 17:55:19 [AllanJ]
- users don't know about the ability, difficult to write a css
- 17:56:35 [kford]
- GL: When I worked on Windows we added a range of high contrast color schemes. But we got a lot of complaints when there was part of the UI that the user couldn't customize. While the number was low, for those who needed it it was critical.
- 17:58:14 [AllanJ]
- KF: What about the Kindle. should they have user style sheets.
- 17:58:32 [AllanJ]
- GL: if they wanted AA
- 17:59:03 [kford]
- Group is in agreement that user creating stylesheets being able to create is AA.
- 18:00:24 [AllanJ]
- KF: A switch or disable author CSS, AA is create apply user CSS
- 18:00:45 [Jan]
- +1
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- -Jan
- 18:01:27 [AllanJ]
- GL: be careful of and/or
- 18:03:13 [kford]
- Action: kford to update guideline on style sheets to reflect current thinking.
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- Sorry, couldn't find user - kford
- 18:03:38 [kford]
- Action: KFord to update guideline on stylesheets.
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- Sorry, couldn't find user - KFord
- 18:03:53 [AllanJ]
- Action: Kelly to rewrite 3.6.2 on style sheets to reflect current
- 18:03:53 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-182 - Rewrite 3.6.2 on style sheets to reflect current [on Kelly Ford - due 2009-05-14].
- 18:04:31 [kford]
- On to: #55 Clarify difference between 4.1.10 and 4.1.11
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- Group looking through survey comments.
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- discussion of key precedence
- 18:14:24 [kford]
- Extensive discussion on keyboard behavior. Ranged from access keys to conflicts and such.
- 18:14:31 [AllanJ]
- GL: user can change modifier keys
- 18:16:15 [KimPatch]
- I'm going to have to go at 2:30
- 18:16:32 [AllanJ]
- GL: change non-modifier, and/or change modifier key
- 18:22:09 [AllanJ]
- GL: saving keybinding changes for individual websites would be lots of overhead, perhaps AA
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- -Mark_Hakkinen
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- -Kim_Patch
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- -Greg_Lowney
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- -sharper
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- -kford
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- -Jeanne
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- -Allanj
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- WAI_UAWG()1:00PM has ended
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- Attendees were kford, Allanj, Jeanne, sharper, Jan, Kim_Patch, Mark_Hakkinen, +1.425.895.aaaa, Greg_Lowney
- 18:38:19 [kford]
- rrsagent, amke minutes
- 18:38:19 [RRSAgent]
- I'm logging. I don't understand 'amke minutes', kford. Try /msg RRSAgent help
- 18:38:32 [kford]
- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/05/07-ua-minutes.html kford
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- Chair: Jim_Annal
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/05/07-ua-minutes.html kford
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- Chair: Jim_allan
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/05/07-ua-minutes.html kford
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- zakim, please part
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- rrsagent, please part
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- I see 4 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2009/05/07-ua-actions.rdf :
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- ACTION: Greg to update 3.6.2 for text sizing. [1]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/05/07-ua-irc#T17-49-21
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- ACTION: kford to update guideline on style sheets to reflect current thinking. [2]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/05/07-ua-irc#T18-03-13
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- ACTION: KFord to update guideline on stylesheets. [3]
- 18:47:02 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/05/07-ua-irc#T18-03-38
- 18:47:02 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Kelly to rewrite 3.6.2 on style sheets to reflect current [4]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/05/07-ua-irc#T18-03-53