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15:59:17 Title: Web addresses in HTML 5 (at www.w3.org)
15:59:18 Zakim, this will be HTML
15:59:18 ok, trackbot, I see HTML_WG()12:00PM already started
15:59:19 Meeting: HTML Weekly Teleconference
15:59:19 Date: 07 May 2009
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16:00:34 Attendees were +49.251.280.aaaa
16:00:35 HTML_WG()12:00PM has now started
16:00:40 +Sam
16:01:19 Zakim, call DanC-work
16:01:19 ok, DanC; the call is being made
16:01:20 +DanC
16:02:07 + +49.251.280.aaaa
16:02:07 + +1.218.349.aabb
16:02:15 Zakim, +49.251.280.aaaa is me
16:02:15 +Julian; got it
16:02:53 +Matt_May
16:03:01 +Masinter
16:04:04 218.349 is Duluth, Minnesota... Laura?
16:05:03 regrets+ Doug_Schepers
16:05:40 Zakim, pick a scribe
16:05:40 Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Matt_May
16:05:43 Zakim, aaaa is Laura Carlson
16:05:43 I don't understand 'aaaa is Laura Carlson', rubys
16:06:01 Zakim, aaaa is Laura_Carlson
16:06:01 sorry, DanC, I do not recognize a party named 'aaaa'
16:06:22 Zakim, pick a scribe
16:06:22 Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Sam
16:06:24 Zakim, pick a scribe
16:06:24 Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Julian
16:07:11 scribe: Julian
16:07:20 chair: rubys
16:07:42 Topic: ISSUE-54 (doctype-legacy-compat)
16:07:47 rubys: open issues issigned to lachlan; not responding
16:07:55 q+
16:08:28 action-103?
16:08:28 ACTION-103 -- Lachlan Hunt to register about: URI scheme -- due 2009-04-09 -- OPEN
16:08:28 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/103
16:08:29 Title: ACTION-103 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:08:40 Laura has joined #html-wg
16:09:01 julian: joseph holsten tried to update the draft but apparently had trouble getting the draft submitted
16:10:41 action-103?
16:10:41 ACTION-103 -- Julian Reschke to register about: URI scheme -- due 2009-05-21 -- OPEN
16:10:41 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/103
16:10:43 Title: ACTION-103 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:11:15 Topic: ISSUE-55 (head-profile)
16:11:18 julian: new draft seems to normatively reference HML5 which may be a problem.
16:11:18 aciton-99?
16:11:20 concern if the document is going in the wrong direction on about: scheme
16:11:30 action-99?
16:11:30 ACTION-99 -- Sam Ruby to review @profile -- due 2009-04-30 -- OPEN
16:11:30 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/99
16:11:31 Title: ACTION-99 - HTML Weekly Tracker (at www.w3.org)
16:11:39 q+
16:12:02 TOPIC: @profile
16:12:51 "scheme" attribute of META element Chabot, Elliot (Wednesday, 6 May) http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-comments/2009May/0009.html
16:12:52 Title: "scheme" attribute of META element from Chabot, Elliot on 2009-05-06 (public-html-comments@w3.org from May 2009) (at lists.w3.org)
16:14:02 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Apr/0208.html
16:14:04 Title: Please review use cases relating to embedding micro-data in text/html from Ian Hickson on 2009-04-23 (public-html@w3.org from April 2009) (at lists.w3.org)
16:14:04 Julian: toding some work on @profile with leif, currently waiting for Hixie's proposal on microdata
16:14:14 s/toding/doing/
16:14:31 issue-55: note summary of micro-data http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Apr/0208.html
16:14:31 ISSUE-55 head/@profile missing, but used in other specifications/formats notes added
16:14:32 Title: Please review use cases relating to embedding micro-data in text/html from Ian Hickson on 2009-04-23 (public-html@w3.org from April 2009) (at lists.w3.org)
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16:15:10 q+
16:15:35 DanC: same issue as microdata?
16:15:38 +dsinger
16:16:02 action-99?
16:16:02 ACTION-99 -- Sam Ruby to review @profile -- due 2009-04-30 -- OPEN
16:16:02 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/99
16:16:06 action-99 due next week
16:16:06 ACTION-99 Review @profile due date now next week
16:16:20 +Cynthia_Shelly
16:16:32 q+ to ask what RDFa stuff was supposed to be done?
16:16:34 rubys: push date forward to next week
16:17:03 rubys: waiting for Hixie's microdate feedback
16:17:10 Zakim, call Mike
16:17:10 ok, MikeSmith; the call is being made
16:17:11 +Mike
16:17:17 ack danc
16:17:17 DanC, you wanted to ask what RDFa stuff was supposed to be done?
16:17:28 q-
16:17:52 action-96?
16:17:52 ACTION-96 -- Henri Sivonen to to ensure editor removes Origin header: from spec -- due 2009-05-06 -- OPEN
16:17:52 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/96
16:17:56 Topic: ISSUE-63 (origin-req-scope)
16:18:22 rubys: Henri not available
16:18:30 ACTION-96?
16:18:30 ACTION-96 -- Henri Sivonen to to ensure editor removes Origin header: from spec -- due 2009-05-06 -- OPEN
16:18:30 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/96
16:19:11 masinter: there was discussion on HTTP-WG mailing list whether Referer could be used instead
16:19:17 . http://esw.w3.org/topic/IETF_HTML5_Meeting_March_2009?highlight=(ietf)
16:19:20 rubys: no new information since SFO IETF meeting
16:19:34 "# Browser vendors are highly skeptical that that will be sufficient
16:19:34 # Action Item: MNot to send a pointer to prior discussion "
16:20:17 Sam: I think mnot did that
16:20:30 danc: nobody owns the ball right now
16:20:51 rubys: Henri should own it
16:21:09 MikeSmith: Henri is traveling
16:21:22 rubys: move to next week
16:21:23 action-96 due next week
16:21:23 ACTION-96 to ensure editor removes Origin header: from spec due date now next week
16:21:42 TOPIC: versioning
16:21:54 masinter: discussion ongoing in TAG
16:22:24 ACTION-108 due 7 June
16:22:24 ACTION-108 Report back on the TAG's work on versioning wrt HTML due date now 7 June
16:22:25 danc: proposal to move by one month
16:22:48 s/by one/by two/
16:22:54 www-tag Versioning and HTML
16:23:10 issue-31?
16:23:10 ISSUE-31 -- What to do when a reasonable text equivalent is unknown/unavailable? -- OPEN
16:23:10 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/31
16:23:15 topic: missing alt
16:23:22 q+
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16:24:24 danc: update due dates before telco if there are no news
16:24:27 -Matt_May
16:24:43 issue-56?
16:24:43 ISSUE-56 -- Assess whether "URLs" section/definition conflicts with Web architecture -- OPEN
16:24:43 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/56
16:24:49 topic: URLs
16:25:02 danc: done with formatting
16:25:14 danc: done with reformatting
16:25:32 danc: next step submit as I-D
16:26:06 danc: is the WG interested in when to submit it?
16:26:32 masinter: the WG isn't needed for the decision
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16:26:57 danc: there was discussion in www-tag
16:27:13 danc: which mailing list?
16:27:21 Proposal in www-tag to merge with IRI document. Proposal to continue to discuss on uri@w3.org
16:27:24 danc: uri mailing list
16:27:35 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2009Apr/0081.html
16:27:47 danc: HT summarized what documents are out there
16:28:03 danc: encoding problem in query parameters
16:28:10 q+
16:28:17 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2009May/0001.html
16:28:22 Martin's reply discusses the non-western search engine use case http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2009May/0000.html
16:28:47 q+ to say we should decide once for all where to discuss this, and make sure Martin D. is there as well
16:29:01 oops... 0001 is the one I meant
16:29:15 I expect discussion to converge on uri@w3.org
16:29:25 ... though I'm not sure how to get browser vendors there.
16:29:28 ack danc
16:29:34 q-
16:29:39 Zakim, mute Mike
16:29:39 Mike should now be muted
16:30:02 action dan: submit id for URLs in HTML 5
16:30:03 Created ACTION-121 - Submit id for URLs in HTML 5 [on Dan Connolly - due 2009-05-14].
16:30:24 topic: decentralized ext.
16:30:30 issue-41?
16:30:30 ISSUE-41 -- Decentralized extensibility -- OPEN
16:30:30 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/issues/41
16:30:35 rubys: chris not here
16:30:43 DanC if you want help editing IRI documents, please let me know I am willing to do technical editing work
16:30:52 topic: aria taskforce
16:31:04 114 should be connected to an aria issue... fixing...
16:31:10 action-114?
16:31:10 ACTION-114 -- Cynthia Shelly to report progress on ARIA TF -- due 2009-05-07 -- OPEN
16:31:10 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/114
16:31:15 good to know, masinter; I'll try to call you
16:32:01 Topic: ISSUE-35 (aria-processing)
16:32:48 ACTION-105 ?
16:32:48 ACTION-105 -- Sam Ruby to should arrange a meeting between chairs of HTML WG and XHTML2 WG to ensure there is a plan for coordination of vocabularies to avoid incompatibilities. -- due 2009-04-30 -- OPEN
16:32:48 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/105
16:33:00 topic: HTML/XHTML WG relation
16:33:27 ACTION-105 due next week
16:33:27 ACTION-105 Should arrange a meeting between chairs of HTML WG and XHTML2 WG to ensure there is a plan for coordination of vocabularies to avoid incompatibilities. due date now next week
16:33:34 rubys: plh currently not interested discussing merging
16:33:40 masinter: why is RDFa relevant?
16:34:05 ACTION-114 due 21 May
16:34:05 ACTION-114 Report progress on ARIA TF due date now 21 May
16:34:07 rubys: if *HTML would be merged, we'd have to figure out what to do with RDFa
16:34:23 q+
16:34:39 masinter: what's the criterium for resolving this?
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16:35:00 danc: merged group would need to take XHTML requirements seriusly
16:35:15 s/seriusly/seriously/
16:35:39 masinter: some requirements are common, others ...
16:36:08 q+
16:36:17 rubys: we will now soon whether the requirements ARE taken seriously
16:36:29 s(now/know/
16:36:33 s/now/know/
16:36:43 s/know/have some good data/
16:36:54 masinter: disposition of comments on public-html-comments
16:37:01 masinter: are these tracked?
16:37:15 . http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-comments/
16:37:17 danc: we let them accumulate
16:37:31 rubys: do we need an issue tracker?
16:37:45 danc: anybody can respond
16:38:04 danc: tracking gets more important when we get to the end
16:38:14 rubys: Hickson is reading all of them
16:38:14 q?
16:38:27 (process calls for timely technical response? really?)
16:38:29 masinter: issues with Ian's process
16:38:41 Shelley's comments
16:38:46 masinter: ...schedule-wise...
16:38:58 rubys: can accelerate for specific issues
16:39:09 "The group SHOULD reply to a reviewer's initial comments in a timely manner." -- http://www.w3.org/2005/10/Process-20051014/policies.html#formal-address
16:39:37 danc: we could do better
16:40:42 Zakim, unmute Mike
16:40:42 Mike should no longer be muted
16:40:44 danc: discussion of "uahtor" stylesheet
16:40:52 s/uathor/author/
16:42:01 Matt: groups take each other seriously, but disagree on what is important
16:42:13 q-
16:42:16 q+ to say that Hixie's mechanism for displaying author-only view of draft does work as expected (in browsers that support user stylesheet switching)
16:42:39 masinter: need priorization of requirements
16:44:10 ack next
16:44:24 masinter: can agree on technical solutions even when disgagreeing on ther things
16:44:26 ack next
16:44:27 MikeSmith, you wanted to say that Hixie's mechanism for displaying author-only view of draft does work as expected (in browsers that support user stylesheet switching)
16:45:42 http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/Overview.html
16:46:32 MikeSmith: user stylesheet should work in W3C version of the spec as well
16:46:35 i can't get it to work at http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/multipage/
16:47:06 action mike to make author guide user stylesheet work with the W3C version of the spec as well
16:47:07 Created ACTION-122 - Make author guide user stylesheet work with the W3C version of the spec as well [on Michael(tm) Smith - due 2009-05-14].
16:47:13 it works in Minefield and Opera for me
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16:48:34 works for me in W3C copy
16:48:44 -Mike
16:49:20 close ACTION-118
16:49:20 ACTION-118 Reformat the document on URLs in HTML 5 as an Internet Draft closed
16:50:03 topic: F2F 2009
16:50:16 ACTION-115?
16:50:16 ACTION-115 -- Michael(tm) Smith to set up WBS for HTML WG participants to @@ reTPAC 2009 -- due 2009-05-28 -- OPEN
16:50:16 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/115
16:51:24 danc: if the meeting is criticial we should make sure administrivia are taken care of
16:51:32 -Masinter
16:51:33 -dsinger
16:51:34 -DanC
16:51:35 -Julian
16:51:36 -Sam
16:51:46 -Cynthia_Shelly
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16:51:51 Attendees were Sam, DanC, +1.218.349.aabb, Julian, Matt_May, Masinter, dsinger, Cynthia_Shelly, Mike
16:52:10 rrsagent, generate minutes
16:52:10 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/05/07-html-wg-minutes.html Julian
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16:52:39 Laura is 349.aabb
16:53:10 Zakim, call Mike
16:53:10 ok, billyjackass; the call is being made
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16:53:27 RRSAgent, make minutes
16:53:27 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/05/07-html-wg-minutes.html billyjackass
16:53:40 s/issigned/assigned/
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