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19:56:10 <amit> zakim, who is here?
19:56:10 <Zakim> sorry, amit, I don't know what conference this is
19:56:11 <Zakim> On IRC I see Victor, Holger, Adrian, Zakim, RRSAgent, amit, lpdanh
19:56:53 <amit> zakim, this conference SSN_INC
19:56:53 <Zakim> I don't understand 'this conference SSN_INC', amit
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19:59:01 <amit> we do not seem to be on zakim's schedule but things are working anyway
19:59:30 <amit> agenda+ Roll call
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19:59:49 <amit> agenda+ Actions from previous meeting
20:00:05 <amit> +agenda Discussion of Wiki
20:00:16 <amit> agenda+ discussion of wiki
20:00:40 <lpdanh> hi
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20:01:10 <amit> agenda+ Mick Compton
20:01:16 <amit> agenda?
20:01:18 <lpdanh> I'm Danh Le Phuoc, from DERI, NUIG
20:01:39 <lpdanh> good evenning everyone
20:01:54 <amit> zakim, drop agendum 4
20:01:54 <Zakim> agendum 4, Mick Compton, dropped
20:01:58 <Adrian> hi
20:02:30 <amit> agenda+ AOB
20:02:34 <amit> agenda?
20:03:40 <Victor> zakim, who is here
20:03:40 <Zakim> Victor, you need to end that query with '?'
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20:03:49 <Victor> zakim, who is here?
20:03:49 <Zakim> sorry, Victor, I don't know what conference this is
20:03:50 <Zakim> On IRC I see Kerry, janowicz, ocorcho, cory, Rodrigo, Victor, Holger, Adrian, Zakim, RRSAgent, amit, lpdanh
20:03:59 <janowicz> thanks holger, it works
20:04:29 <ocorcho> now on the phone as well
20:07:48 <Adrian> is IRC working ?? seems to be jammed ..
20:08:10 <amit> sorry no one is typing
20:08:18 <Adrian> oo
20:08:21 <Kerry> i can see your questin, adrian
20:08:27 <Adrian> ok
20:08:37 <amit> amit: thanks for joining and farewell :) 
20:08:50 <amit> holger: please enter your bio's on the wiki
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20:09:22 <amit> ... Mick Compton will not be able attend - as he is unwell
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20:11:11 <amit> action: amit to get Holger access to W3C content for editing...
20:13:02 <amit> kerry: update on conference - proposal to ISWC is submitted, and we will have to wait a month to find the result 
20:13:15 <amit> ... we also will have the W3C f2f 
20:13:27 <amit> action: Kerry to notify group of proposal success
20:14:36 <amit> kerry: thanks everyone for helping with the proposal - Amit S, Manfred, David, Kevin etc...
20:14:55 <amit> holger: presentation of sensor ontology moves to next week
20:16:19 <Adrian> +1 :)
20:16:57 <amit> holger: comments on the Wiki and progress
20:17:36 <amit> cory: bit a mess right now, and trying to cast a wide net and now narrowing it down...
20:17:44 <amit> ... what is the scope of the paper...
20:17:56 <amit> ... how broad or narrow should it be? 
20:18:16 <amit> holger: Comments on scope of the paper ?
20:18:32 <Adrian> +q
20:18:54 <amit> oscar: many possible survey that can be done...one might be current ontologies
20:19:27 <amit> john_G: maybe a simple table of each ontology would be a good idea, ie features + update etc...
20:19:36 <amit> adrian: ask your question
20:20:16 <Adrian> regarding the wiki, another work that we might want to synchronise (somehow) is the EXI group (http://www.w3.org/TR/exi-primer/)
20:20:28 <Adrian> is it also of interest ??
20:20:45 <Adrian> that as implication for Low Power sensors.
20:21:03 <Adrian> ok
20:21:23 <amit> oscar: metadata descriptions of sensors...
20:22:07 <amit> ... aspects relating to models of sensors... from lightweight to more expressive - allow more reasoning
20:22:47 <kjanowicz> +q
20:22:50 <amit> +q
20:23:15 <Adrian> -q
20:23:17 <amit> kjanowicz: we could look at geographic feature types ? 
20:23:29 <cory> +q
20:23:34 <amit> holger: that might be helpful
20:23:44 <amit> ack member:kjanowicz
20:23:55 <amit> ack kjacnwicz
20:25:39 <amit> amit_kp: need to link sensor markup languages with ontology - broader objectives of the project...
20:25:55 <amit> amit_s: this is something that should be done, being done within the biological domain...
20:26:24 <amit> ack amit
20:26:34 <amit> ack kjanowicz
20:26:57 <Adrian> +q
20:27:16 <amit> cory: Mick and I agreed that we should work on ontologies + semantic markup and their linking...
20:27:26 <amit> ... can people please put information up on UML
20:27:44 <amit> ... we need to deliver by mid-june as well, so please consider scope
20:27:50 <amit> ack cory
20:27:55 <amit> go ahead adrian
20:28:12 <Adrian> An important aspect of sensors is low power devices. What can we do for that ? profiles ? 
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20:28:58 <Adrian> i am sorry i am pushing there but most of our work is on low power sensors, and there too, ontology is interesting
20:29:06 <amit> hi john
20:29:13 <John> hi
20:29:24 <amit> adrian: is that for reprogramming
20:29:29 <amit> +q amit
20:29:35 <amit> ack adrian
20:29:41 <Adrian> not necessarly, but can be yes
20:29:43 <amit> holger: we agree
20:30:58 <amit> amit: we need to start develop usecases to help define scope... 
20:31:19 <Adrian> +1
20:31:28 <Holger> +1
20:31:53 <Kerry> +q 
20:32:03 <amit> ack amit
20:32:12 <cory> +1
20:32:25 <amit> kerry: happy to volunteer some usecases - 
20:32:37 <amit> ... also do we want usecases to be part of the survey paper? 
20:32:42 <amit> cory: Comments? 
20:32:48 <amit> ack kerry
20:32:58 <John> +q
20:33:13 <Kerry> +q
20:33:23 <amit> action: People to start adding usecases to the wiki - Kerry has volunteered to put some on there... 
20:34:01 <amit> john: when we tried to develop usecases for the MMI we developed 13/14
20:34:03 <Adrian> +1
20:34:31 <amit> ... how sophisticated a set of usecase do we want to address? 
20:35:06 <amit> holger: having usecases that show the need for ontology - sensor discovery is one of the core needs in sensor description... 
20:35:13 <Kerry> +q
20:35:17 <amit> ack john
20:36:09 <amit> kerry: the things that interest me are dynamic integrating of sensor data, with web data and other databases online... discovery is essential but we need to progress
20:36:15 <amit> +q
20:36:24 <John> there is an extended use case in the Ocean Observing Initiative Concept of Operations
20:36:26 <amit> ... we should also use the MMI usecases
20:36:32 <Adrian> discovery, fusion
20:38:13 <ocorcho> +q
20:39:33 <amit> amit: we need to be able to do side by side implementation of the usecases - it will help ground the use cases.. but also there should be some stretching usecases or goals...
20:39:58 <amit> oscar: some have to be visionary + also what can be done now in one year... 
20:40:57 <amit> ... from the point of view of our projects, there are things we can implement in less than one year, but some that we cant... but identifying clearly the usecases that we can implement now is important
20:41:41 <amit> action: for each usecase, categorise by implementation - ie now, 2 years or next 10 years, ie the when it could be implemented
20:41:54 <Holger> agenda?
20:41:55 <amit> +q
20:42:49 <John> MMI has a long list for inspiration, but adroit review will be needed
20:42:50 <amit> amit: is everyone happy to contribute usecases? 
20:43:11 <amit> john: can you post the link to the MMI usecases? 
20:43:47 <Adrian> http://marinemetadata.org/community/teams/ont/ontwebservices/mmirepository/ontrepositoryuc
20:43:58 <kjanowicz> yes please
20:44:11 <John> actually, those are our ontology repository use cases
20:44:35 <John> MMI Device Ontology use cases: http://marinemetadata.org/community/teams/ontdevices/usecases
20:45:01 <Adrian> thanks
20:45:14 <John> +q
20:45:22 <amit> ack kerry
20:45:25 <amit> ack amit
20:45:35 <amit> ack ocorcho
20:46:03 <amit> john: how do we filter the usecases? 
20:46:15 <amit> ... would like feedback from someone within the group
20:46:57 <amit> hogler: put it on the wiki
20:47:08 <amit> .. for discussion at the next meeting...
20:47:30 <amit> ... or in fact the link
20:48:12 <amit> action: JohnG to put a link to MMI usecases for ontologies...
20:48:36 <John> is it ok if I edit "State_of_the_art_survey" to add 3.8 Use Cases?
20:48:47 <amit> amit: have Amit_S or Cory develop scenarios or use cases for semantic markup of SML? 
20:48:54 <amit> cory: do not have good usecases as yet
20:49:15 <amit> Holger: yes, but please do not delete whole pages :) 
20:51:56 <ocorcho> +q
20:52:32 <amit> ack john
20:53:14 <amit> ocorcho: Manfred has done something in the area of semantic markup of languages... i think
20:53:19 <Luis> +q
20:53:27 <amit> ack ocorcho
20:53:55 <amit> luis: have done some minimum mark up in MMI - I could add those to the wiki
20:54:04 <lpdanh> I'm from Manfred's group
20:54:08 <amit> holger: please add this to the wiki
20:54:25 <amit> lpdanh: please go ahead and make a comment
20:54:25 <lpdanh> but I can't speak to the phone due to my IM's problem
20:54:59 <lpdanh> we've done some semi-anonotation through sensor midleware
20:55:32 <ocorcho> good luck in your new position, Amit
20:55:37 <amit> thank you
20:56:28 <cory> danh, please put what ever info you have on annotation on the wiki
20:56:59 <amit> Kerry: Thank for starting this group up :) (I had to minute that :) 
20:57:44 <amit> rrsagent: generate minutes
20:57:44 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/05/06-ssn-minutes.html amit
20:57:56 <amit> actions?
20:58:41 <amit> rrsagent, generate minutes
20:58:41 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/05/06-ssn-minutes.html amit
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20:59:16 <Adrian> is this the end ?? 
20:59:31 <amit> rrsagent, set world-visible
20:59:31 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'set world-visible', amit.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
20:59:45 <Holger> yes, Adrian, thank you for joining!
20:59:53 <amit> rrsagent, set logs world-visible
21:00:02 <Adrian> ok, thanks. sorry for not being able to call
21:00:06 <amit> no worries 
21:00:17 <amit> rrsagent, generate minutes
21:00:17 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/05/06-ssn-minutes.html amit
21:00:44 <Adrian> good morning, day and night to all
21:00:48 <Adrian> bye
21:01:01 <Holger> bye
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21:01:45 <RRSAgent> I see 5 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2009/05/06-ssn-actions.rdf :
21:01:45 <RRSAgent> ACTION: amit to get Holger access to W3C content for editing... [1]
21:01:45 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/05/06-ssn-irc#T20-11-11
21:01:45 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Kerry to notify group of proposal success [2]
21:01:45 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/05/06-ssn-irc#T20-13-27
21:01:45 <RRSAgent> ACTION: People to start adding usecases to the wiki - Kerry has volunteered to put some on there...  [3]
21:01:45 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/05/06-ssn-irc#T20-33-23
21:01:45 <RRSAgent> ACTION: for each usecase, categorise by implementation - ie now, 2 years or next 10 years, ie the when it could be implemented [4]
21:01:45 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/05/06-ssn-irc#T20-41-41
21:01:45 <RRSAgent> ACTION: JohnG to put a link to MMI usecases for ontologies... [5]
21:01:45 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/05/06-ssn-irc#T20-48-12