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12:13:23 <raphael> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2009Apr/0146.html
12:13:29 <raphael> Chairs: Erik, Raphael
12:13:40 <Zakim> + +95055aabb
12:13:48 <raphael> zakim, aabb is raphael
12:13:49 <Zakim> + +3539149aacc
12:13:49 <Zakim> +raphael; got it
12:13:56 <Zakim> +Yves
12:14:00 <mhausenblas> Zakim, aacc is me
12:14:00 <Zakim> +mhausenblas; got it
12:14:14 <raphael> Present: Michael, Erik, Yves, Raphael
12:14:20 <raphael> Regrets: Conrad, Davy
12:14:43 <raphael> zakim, who is there?
12:14:43 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, raphael.
12:14:47 <raphael> zakim, who is here?
12:14:47 <Zakim> On the phone I see +0329331aaaa, raphael, mhausenblas, Yves
12:14:48 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, erik, Yves, trackbot, mhausenblas, raphael, nessy, conrad
12:14:56 <raphael> zakim, aaaa is Erik
12:14:56 <Zakim> +Erik; got it
12:15:24 <Zakim> + +61.2.801.2.aadd
12:15:47 <raphael> zakim, aadd is silvia
12:15:47 <Zakim> +silvia; got it
12:16:07 <raphael> Scribe: raphael
12:16:10 <raphael> scribenick: raphael
12:16:21 <silvia> Zakim mute me
12:16:25 <raphael> Topic: 1/ ADMIN
12:16:58 <raphael> Proposed to accept te minutes of April 8, http://www.w3.org/2009/04/08-mediafrag-minutes.html
12:17:05 <erik> +1
12:17:17 <raphael> Propose to accept the minutes of the f2f meeting: http://www.w3.org/2009/04/16-mediafrag-minutes.html and http://www.w3.org/2009/04/17-mediafrag-minutes.html
12:17:24 <raphael> RESOLUTION: all minutes approved
12:17:24 <mhausenblas> +1+1
12:17:33 <silvia> +1
12:17:57 <silvia> zakim, mute me
12:17:57 <Zakim> silvia should now be muted
12:18:54 <mhausenblas> q+ on ACTION-65
12:19:02 <mhausenblas> ack me
12:19:02 <Zakim> mhausenblas, you wanted to comment on ACTION-65
12:19:27 <raphael> Next f2f meeting in September, possibly in Amsterdam, on 17-18/09
12:20:38 <raphael> Topic: 2. UC & Requirements
12:21:40 <raphael> I have re-issued the transition request
12:21:59 <raphael> ... I'm waiting for Philippe's yes
12:22:20 <raphael> ... before splitting the document and advertizing the other groups to review our document
12:22:31 <raphael> close ACTON-51
12:22:51 <raphael> RRSAgent, close ACTION-51
12:22:51 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'close ACTION-51', raphael.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
12:23:05 <raphael> close ACTION-51
12:23:05 <trackbot> ACTION-51 Summarize the content of the wiki page to put in the main document, with few examples and a short story closed
12:23:17 <raphael> done just before the F2F meeting
12:23:23 <raphael> Topic: 3. Specification
12:23:34 <raphael> Yves: will do my action in the next 2 weeks
12:24:03 <mhausenblas> q+ on structure of the WD
12:24:12 <mhausenblas> ack me
12:24:12 <Zakim> mhausenblas, you wanted to comment on structure of the WD
12:24:46 <raphael> Erik: regarding action-67, I will provide an example
12:24:55 <raphael> Michael: I want to talk about action-64
12:25:28 <raphael> ... I want to change the structure of this sub-section, this is the processing model
12:25:44 <raphael> ... and discuss what's happen on the UA side, and on the server side
12:26:04 <raphael> Raphael: +1 for Michael's suggestion for the next iteration of the WD
12:26:27 <silvia> so the suggestion is to rename 6.4 to Processing?
12:26:45 <erik> +1 for next iteration
12:26:52 <mhausenblas> 6.4 -> Interpretation and Processing of MF
12:26:59 <silvia> good, like it
12:27:09 <raphael> Michael: but not talk about semantics
12:27:09 <mhausenblas> 6.4.1 Overview
12:27:20 <raphael> +1
12:27:28 <mhausenblas> 6.4.2 UA view
12:27:33 <mhausenblas> 6.4.3 Server
12:27:44 <silvia> +1
12:27:55 <raphael> Conrad: I hope to complete my actions  63 and 69 later this week
12:28:21 <mhausenblas> Michael: thanks, will do after splitting of docs
12:28:35 <raphael> Topic: 4. Test Cases
12:28:51 <mhausenblas> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/TestCasesOverview
12:29:16 <raphael> Actual test cases: http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/TestCases
12:29:41 <raphael> Michael: I motivated first the need for test cases
12:30:05 <raphael> ... I then provided examples of test cases, these need to be approved
12:30:12 <raphael> q+
12:30:30 <mhausenblas> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2009Apr/0135.html TC setup
12:30:40 <raphael> Email and issues from Michael: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2009Apr/0135.html
12:31:09 <raphael> zakim, ack me
12:31:09 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
12:33:59 <silvia> zakim, unmute me
12:33:59 <Zakim> silvia should no longer be muted
12:33:59 <raphael> Raphael: no value means by default for the temporal dimension the start time (end time) of the resource
12:34:31 <raphael> Yves: empty is different than not present ... i.e. sometimes, the dimension is not present, sometimes we have the default value
12:34:50 <raphael> Michael: please, review the Test Cases, edit the wiki, mail the mailing lsit
12:34:55 <raphael> s/lsit/list
12:35:39 <raphael> Michael: the intention is to go away from the wiki asap
12:35:45 <raphael> ... since it is really painful
12:36:03 <silvia> zakim, mute me
12:36:03 <Zakim> silvia should now be muted
12:36:35 <raphael> Topic: 5. Issues
12:36:55 <raphael> ISSUE-3?
12:36:55 <trackbot> ISSUE-3 -- Does our MF URI syntax imply that we need to update MIME Type registrations? -- OPEN
12:36:55 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/issues/3
12:37:31 <erik> q+
12:37:35 <raphael> Michael: good news, no IANA registries for fragments on media mime types
12:37:43 <raphael> zakim, ack erik
12:37:43 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
12:38:09 <silvia> zakim, unmute me
12:38:09 <Zakim> silvia should no longer be muted
12:38:10 <raphael> ACTION: Erik to contact the editors of MPEG-21 Part 17 regarding the registry of their scheme
12:38:10 <trackbot> Created ACTION-76 - Contact the editors of MPEG-21 Part 17 regarding the registry of their scheme [on Erik Mannens - due 2009-05-06].
12:38:25 <raphael> ISSUE-4?
12:38:25 <trackbot> ISSUE-4 -- Should we pre-define some track names? -- OPEN
12:38:25 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/issues/4
12:40:10 <raphael> Silvia: I still think we need to pre-define some track names
12:40:50 <raphael> ... I will wait for Conrad's action
12:40:54 <raphael> ... not sure I understant it
12:40:57 <raphael> ACTION-7?
12:40:57 <trackbot> ACTION-7 -- Yves Lafon to request a new time slot on the Zakim bridge -- due 2008-10-28 -- CLOSED
12:40:57 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/actions/7
12:40:58 <silvia> zakim, mute me
12:40:58 <Zakim> silvia should now be muted
12:41:14 <raphael> ISSUE-7?
12:41:14 <trackbot> ISSUE-7 -- User Agent Media Fragment Resolution and Processing -- OPEN
12:41:14 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/issues/7
12:41:18 <mhausenblas> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/UserAgentMediaFragmentResolution
12:42:02 <raphael> Raphael: I have finally understood this issue, this is the UA point of view of what's hapening
12:42:54 <raphael> Michael: regarding the step 2
12:43:03 <Zakim> -Erik
12:43:11 <raphael> ... I'm referring to Common User Agent Problems
12:46:35 <Yves> foo#bar in a redirect is currently not allowed
12:46:50 <raphael> Michael: I just write the various possibilities
12:47:40 <raphael> ... perhaps we should just have the default behavior fallback, stating that the UA should write valid MF URI
12:49:15 <silvia> zakim, unmute me
12:49:15 <Zakim> silvia should no longer be muted
12:49:45 <raphael> ACTION: Yves to investigate what's happened when facing an invalid Media Fragment URI, re step 2 of http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/UserAgentMediaFragmentResolution
12:49:46 <trackbot> Created ACTION-77 - Investigate what's happened when facing an invalid Media Fragment URI, re step 2 of http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/UserAgentMediaFragmentResolution [on Yves Lafon - due 2009-05-06].
12:51:50 <raphael> q+
12:52:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/04/29-mediafrag-minutes.html raphael
12:53:31 <raphael> zakim, ack me
12:53:31 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
12:54:25 <silvia> zakim, mute me
12:54:25 <Zakim> silvia should now be muted
12:56:13 <silvia> ok, understood :)
12:57:07 <raphael> Michael: I will put this description and diagram in the document ... instead of semantics -> processing of the media fragments
12:57:10 <raphael> ISSUE-8?
12:57:10 <trackbot> ISSUE-8 -- Missing collection of MF WG decisions -- OPEN
12:57:10 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/tracker/issues/8
12:57:29 <raphael> Do we want a wiki page that centralizes all the resolution?
12:57:45 <raphael> Silvia: I think the issues page barely captures that
12:58:12 <silvia> zakim, unmute me
12:58:12 <Zakim> silvia should no longer be muted
12:58:24 <raphael> Michael: I don't think so
12:58:45 <raphael> Silvia: the page captures our discussion, but I agree does not endorse the decision
12:59:08 <raphael> Michael: can we misuse the tracker?
12:59:17 <silvia> zakim, mute me
12:59:17 <Zakim> silvia should now be muted
13:01:02 <raphael> We have resolved all the polls
13:01:21 <raphael> Michael: I volunteer to maintain this page if chairs create it
13:02:02 <raphael> trackbot, status?
13:02:29 <raphael> ACTION: Raphaël to draft a wiki page for centralizing all decisions
13:02:29 <trackbot> Created ACTION-78 - Draft a wiki page for centralizing all decisions [on Raphaël Troncy - due 2009-05-06].
13:03:01 <raphael> Topic: 6. AOB
13:03:32 <raphael> Michael: any news from the TAG regarding their latest finding, hash in uri?
13:03:35 <mhausenblas> Michael thanks raphael for his great double role in scribing and chairing ;)
13:03:46 <raphael> Raphael: I will do that later this afternoon
13:03:54 <raphael> no AOB?
13:04:03 <raphael> meeting adjourned
13:04:18 <Zakim> -mhausenblas
13:04:19 <Zakim> -Yves
13:04:21 <Zakim> -raphael
13:04:25 <Zakim> -silvia
13:04:26 <Zakim> IA_MFWG()8:00AM has ended
13:04:27 <Zakim> Attendees were +0329331aaaa, +95055aabb, +3539149aacc, raphael, Yves, mhausenblas, Erik, +61.2.801.2.aadd, silvia
13:04:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/04/29-mediafrag-minutes.html raphael
13:04:52 <raphael> zakim, bye
13:04:52 <Zakim> Zakim has left #mediafrag
13:05:32 <raphael> Meeting: W3C Media Fragments WG Telecon - 29/04/2009 12:00 UTC
13:05:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/04/29-mediafrag-minutes.html raphael
13:05:52 <raphael> Present+: Silvia
13:05:54 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/04/29-mediafrag-minutes.html raphael
13:06:25 <mhausenblas> cya
13:06:53 <raphael> RRSAgent, bye
13:06:53 <RRSAgent> I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2009/04/29-mediafrag-actions.rdf :
13:06:53 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Erik to contact the editors of MPEG-21 Part 17 regarding the registry of their scheme [1]
13:06:53 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/04/29-mediafrag-irc#T12-38-10
13:06:53 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Yves to investigate what's happened when facing an invalid Media Fragment URI, re step 2 of http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/UserAgentMediaFragmentResolution [2]
13:06:53 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/04/29-mediafrag-irc#T12-49-45
13:06:53 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Raphaël to draft a wiki page for centralizing all decisions [3]
13:06:53 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/04/29-mediafrag-irc#T13-02-29