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13:42:08 Zakim, this will be IA_XHTML2
13:42:08 ok, trackbot; I see IA_XHTML2()9:45AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
13:42:09 Meeting: XHTML2 Working Group Teleconference
13:42:09 Date: 22 April 2009
13:42:21 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2009Apr/0042.html
13:42:27 Chair: Roland
13:42:49 I sent a regret message (no voice).
13:43:06 It appears it got lost somewhere in the W3C mailing list system.
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13:46:24 zakim, dial steven-617
13:46:24 ok, Steven; the call is being made
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13:48:09 regrets+ Tina
13:49:08 +[IPcaller]
13:49:20 zakim, IPcaller is Alessio
13:49:20 +Alessio; got it
13:50:06 zakim, who is here
13:50:06 ShaneM, you need to end that query with '?'
13:50:07 scribe: Steven
13:50:09 +Gregory_Rosmaita
13:50:10 zakim, who is here?
13:50:11 On the phone I see Roland, Markus, McCarron, Steven, Alessio, Gregory_Rosmaita
13:50:12 On IRC I see alessio, Steven, oedipus, Zakim, RRSAgent, markus, Roland, ShaneM, Tina, markbirbeck, trackbot
13:50:55 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2009Apr/0042
13:51:01 Topic: Documents
13:51:19 Subtopic: PERs
13:52:37 SP: out of our hands now that transition request submitted; wait until end of review period - approximately 4 weeks
13:52:42 RM: end of may, then?
13:52:52 SP: yes
13:52:58 Subtopic: Access
13:53:11 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2009Apr/0043.html
13:53:11 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2009Apr/0043.html
13:53:18 http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/CR-xhtml-access-20090417/xhtml-access-diff.html
13:54:14 SP: sinking feeling comparing DIFF document and current draft cited above -- normative change - not quite happy with going to CR, but fear must go back through LC -- added @media and @order so probably need to recycle
13:54:17 RM: correct
13:54:38 SP: don't think can get away with CR, have to take to Last Call again because of normative changes
13:55:09 proposed RESOLVED: cycle Access Module back through Last Call
13:55:31 RESOLVED: cycle Access Module back through Last Call
13:55:40 SM: timing?
13:55:46 RM: short document - short LC
13:55:51 SP: official minimum is 3 weeks
13:56:11 SP: HCG call this friday at which will mention - can ask if any objections to 3 or 4 week LC period
13:56:26 SM: target 31 may 2009 as END of review period
13:56:43 RESOLVED: XHTML2 WG will target 29 May 2009 as end of review period
13:57:02 SP: need to update action item to request LC
13:57:34 i/SP: out of our hands/ScribeNick+ oedipus
13:58:11 rrsagent, make minutes
13:58:11 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/04/22-xhtml-minutes.html oedipus
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14:00:29 http://esw.w3.org/topic/PF/XTech/HTML5/UAI-TF
14:00:44 scribe: Steven
14:01:08 Subtopic: WAI-ARIA last call comments
14:01:47 Steven: As I understand it, the ball is in WAI's court, to provide new wording, and run it past the affected people
14:02:11 Gregory: There is some worry about ARIA being delayed
14:04:22 ... I am also missing a role="form"
14:06:28 Roland: Let's discuss this at length tomorrow
14:06:38 ACTION: Gregory - prepare wiki page with background to ARIA's role dependency question
14:06:38 Created ACTION-75 - - prepare wiki page with background to ARIA's role dependency question [on Gregory Rosmaita - due 2009-04-29].
14:06:39 Topic: Actions
14:07:02 f2f agenda request - D for dialog: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/xhtml2/wiki/ProposedElements/D
14:07:02 D for dialog issue - "a single letter element to mark dialog (block and inline) should be added to XHTML2": http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/issues/3
14:07:03 http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/actions/open
14:07:36 I'd suggest 'dialogue' instead of 'd'
14:08:00 tina, dialogue is problematic because of dialog - a different concept entirely
14:08:33 tina, HTML5's mistake is to use dialog as the element name - it is wrong, plus D will be used A LOT on pages (short stories, etc.) so a terse element name is best
14:08:56 Subtopic: action 67
14:08:59 'd' is problematic 'cause it's a single letter. Being terse isn't a good idea in a language designed for both automatic and manual production.
14:09:01 Close ACTION-67
14:09:01 ACTION-67 - talk to Richard to ask if someone from ITS can join an XHTML2 call to discuss this further closed
14:10:57 Roland: We can do 71 tomorrow
14:11:07 Gregory: I can see if Janina can join us tomorrow
14:11:37 Roland: 73?
14:11:55 Shane: Not done yet
14:12:01 ... actually really hard
14:13:08 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2009Apr/0002.html
14:13:31 close action-74
14:13:31 ACTION-74 Reply to message 0002 closed
14:13:51 Roland: 75?
14:14:20 Shane: Just created!
14:14:25 [laughter]
14:15:06 Topic: VFtF Agenda
14:15:15 http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/xhtml2/wiki/2009-04-FtF-Agenda#2009-04-23
14:15:34 tina, the complaint is two-fold: HTML5 is considering an element akin to ARIA's "dialogbox" which would be "dialog" which has a specific programmatic meeting (computing term) whereas all of the english-language reference works explicitly state that "dialogue" is the proper term, but it is a homonym with "dialog" which is a different concept, so to keep ambiguity to a minimum, i have proposed D
14:15:40 Roland: What do we need to talk about for new draft of XHTML2?
14:15:49 f2f agenda request - D for dialog: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/xhtml2/wiki/ProposedElements/D
14:16:44 Markus: Expressing subsets in modularization
14:17:48 Steven: Isn't that M12N v2 rather than XHTML2?
14:18:12 Shane: All our work is public now
14:18:41 ... so I don't understand why we need editor's drafts and WDs
14:19:26 Steven: A WD is more visible, and an announcement gets made when we produce a WD
14:19:54 Roland: :And the 'Previous version' links only link WDs
14:19:58 s/;/
14:20:10 Markus: XForms integration is the largest undone work
14:20:15 Shane: And ITS
14:20:21 ... and XML Events 2, which is related
14:20:42 zakim, who is noisy?
14:20:42 I am sorry, ShaneM; I don't have the necessary resources to track talkers right now
14:21:34 Shane: Also finishing Relax NG and Schema implementations, which are dependent on those issues above
14:21:52 ... though we could mark them as Work in Progress
14:22:03 ... and publish tomorrow
14:22:28 Shane: I do have a marked up version of the last ED with many editorial changes which still need to be made
14:22:38 ... another editorial eye would be good
14:22:57 Roland: How about sharing that work out?
14:23:09 Shane: Each section had a champion in the past
14:23:23 ... but we don't have that at present
14:23:58 Roland: It helps that we now include stiff by reference
14:24:07 s/stiff/stuff
14:24:19 Shane: Suggest a date Roland!
14:24:23 Roland: In May
14:24:34 ... let's discuss this tomorrow
14:25:31 ... I have updated the wiki
14:26:27 zakim, mute me
14:26:27 Alessio should now be muted
14:27:15 http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/xhtml2/wiki/2009-04-FtF-Agenda#2009-04-23
14:27:46 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2009Apr/0041.html
14:28:05 Steven: Can we just prepare now for the ITS discussion?
14:28:43 Roland: Let us prep before 14utc, ready for the actual discussion at 14utc
14:28:48 Steven: Excellent
14:28:57 ok
14:30:32 Previous discussion - http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/xhtml2/meeting/2009-03-26#how_to_incorporate_ITS
14:32:15 zakim, unmute me
14:32:15 Alessio should no longer be muted
14:32:28 -Markus
14:32:30 -Steven
14:32:33 -Gregory_Rosmaita
14:32:37 -Roland
14:32:38 -Alessio
14:32:38 -McCarron
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14:32:41 Attendees were Roland, Markus, McCarron, Steven, Alessio, Gregory_Rosmaita
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