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12:53:49 <Holger> anyone else here?
12:54:03 <amit_oz> not yet
12:54:29 <Holger> ...
12:55:01 <amit_oz> did you read that paper that I sent you? about sensor networks and water? 
12:55:26 <krp> krp has joined #ssn
12:55:31 <amit_oz> he kevin
12:55:32 <michael_> michael_ has joined #ssn
12:55:38 <amit_oz> hi Mick
12:55:43 <michael_> hi
12:55:45 <krp> hi
12:55:58 <Holger> hi
12:56:08 <Rodrigo> Rodrigo has joined #ssn
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12:56:27 <amit_oz> hi 
12:56:29 <Adrian> Hello everyone
12:56:45 <Zakim> INC_SSN()9:00AM has now started
12:56:53 <Zakim> + +61.4.388.9.aaaa
12:56:56 <Zakim> + +0196266aabb
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12:57:45 <Zakim> + +036223aacc
12:58:04 <Zakim> +??P13
12:58:16 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
12:58:30 <Kerry> Hi, Kerry is in on IRC
12:58:43 <Rodrigo> zakim, who is on the phone?
12:58:43 <Zakim> On the phone I see +61.4.388.9.aaaa, +0196266aabb, +036223aacc, ??P13, [IPcaller]
12:59:02 <Zakim> +josema
12:59:12 <Rodrigo> zakim, +josema is me
12:59:12 <Zakim> sorry, Rodrigo, I do not recognize a party named '+josema'
12:59:16 <Rodrigo> zakim, josema is me
12:59:16 <Zakim> +Rodrigo; got it
12:59:20 <Rodrigo> zakim, victor is with me
12:59:20 <Zakim> +victor; got it
12:59:37 <amit_oz> zakim, +61.4 is amit_oz
12:59:37 <Zakim> +amit_oz; got it
12:59:45 <victor> zakim, who is on the phone?
12:59:45 <Zakim> On the phone I see amit_oz, +0196266aabb, +036223aacc, ??P13, [IPcaller], Rodrigo
12:59:47 <Zakim> Rodrigo has Rodrigo, victor
13:00:08 <krp> zakim, +0196266aabb is krp
13:00:08 <Zakim> +krp; got it
13:00:18 <Holger> zakim, +036223acc is Holger
13:00:18 <Zakim> sorry, Holger, I do not recognize a party named '+036223acc'
13:00:23 <amit_oz> Kerry: are you IRCing the meeting ?
13:00:24 <Holger> zakim, +036223aacc is Holger
13:00:24 <Zakim> +Holger; got it
13:00:28 <Adrian> zakim, ??P13 is Adrian
13:00:28 <Zakim> +Adrian; got it
13:00:32 <michael_> zakim, [IPcaller] is michael_
13:00:32 <Zakim> +michael_; got it
13:01:22 <amit_oz> agenda?
13:01:35 <Zakim> + +1.267.481.aadd
13:01:47 <Zakim> +??P17
13:02:02 <amit_oz> zakim, +1.267 is Luis Bermudez
13:02:02 <Zakim> I don't understand '+1.267 is Luis Bermudez', amit_oz
13:02:22 <amit_oz> zakim, +1.267 is Luis_Bermudez
13:02:22 <Zakim> +Luis_Bermudez; got it
13:02:41 <Zakim> + +1.937.257.aaee
13:02:52 <Zakim> +PrateekJain-WSU
13:03:27 <amit_oz> zakim, +1.937 is Al_Hendrix
13:03:27 <Zakim> +Al_Hendrix; got it
13:03:30 <Cory> Cory has joined #ssn
13:05:00 <amit_oz> open agendam 1
13:05:10 <amit_oz> open agendum 1
13:05:21 <Zakim> + +1.650.450.aaff
13:06:34 <amit_oz> zakim, +1.650 is John_Graybeal
13:06:34 <Zakim> +John_Graybeal; got it
13:06:49 <amit_oz> agenda?
13:10:16 <amit_oz> next agendum
13:10:29 <amit_oz> action: Cory to take minutes next meeting
13:10:35 <amit_oz> next agendum
13:11:10 <amit_oz> Kerry: options on F2F to be either open workshop or scientific workshop - comments?
13:11:58 <amit_oz> Amit_S: Should also consider ISWC as there are a lot of participants... perhaps also do something at Dayton at Ohio State? 
13:12:21 <amit_oz> Kerry: Proposed it at ISWC, but was rejected
13:12:38 <michael_> iswc due soon, right?
13:12:49 <amit_oz> Amit_S: there is a lot more interest this year in semantics and sensors
13:13:11 <amit_oz> Amit: What about holding it at W3C TPAC?
13:13:12 <krp> Workshop proposals due 1st May
13:13:17 <krp> http://iswc2009.semanticweb.org/wiki/index.php/ISWC_2009_Workshops/Call_for_Proposals
13:13:17 <michael_> due may 1
13:13:44 <amit_oz> amit_s: Dayton @ Wright State rather than Ohio state
13:14:50 <amit_oz> amit_s: lot's of people in Ohio who would be interested...
13:15:47 <amit_oz> amit: W3C TPAC might be closer for people travelling...
13:16:21 <amit_oz> amit_s: a scientific workshop in Dayton would be cheaper and ISWC would be good for science as well...
13:16:30 <amit_oz> ... for up 50 people...
13:17:55 <amit_oz> Amit: propose contacting a number of confernces...?
13:18:49 <amit_oz> amit_s: Amit_S, Kerry + someone from EU to develop a proposal including half the program committee needs to be selected, particularly for ISWC
13:19:12 <amit_oz> Kevin: Happy to help out doing this from the EU perspective
13:19:56 <amit_oz> amit_s: we should try for ISWC and if that fails we do it in Dayton
13:20:03 <michael_> Agree with Amit S.  If we are to do ISWC, we should decide tonight, set up whose doing it, etc.
13:20:15 <amit_oz> Quick Vote on this issue from everyone? 
13:20:19 <michael_> +1
13:20:27 <amit_oz> +1 please?
13:20:37 <krp> +1
13:20:38 <Cory> +1
13:20:47 <Holger> +1
13:20:57 <Rodrigo> +1
13:21:00 <amit_oz> action: Kerry to lead the development a proposal with Amit_S and also Kevin
13:21:13 <Adrian> +1
13:21:14 <victor> +1
13:21:24 <Cory> +1 on Kerry's idea of combining XG f2f
13:21:33 <Cory> with Workshop (Amit_S)
13:21:39 <krp> co-location +1
13:21:51 <Holger> +1
13:21:57 <michael_> co-loc +1
13:21:59 <Kerry> +1
13:22:00 <Adrian> comment: sounds great, just a money issue of course. 
13:22:14 <amit_oz> action: combine XG f2f with scientific workshop - including co-location
13:23:08 <amit_oz> next agendum
13:23:21 <amit_oz> agenda?
13:23:30 <amit_oz> next agendum
13:23:43 <amit_oz> move to next agendum
13:23:43 <Zakim> agendum 3 was just opened, amit_oz
13:23:53 <amit_oz> move to next agendum
13:23:53 <Zakim> agendum 3 was just opened, amit_oz
13:26:11 <amit_oz> john_Graybeal: Sent links with references to the work that is being done within MMI
13:26:34 <amit_oz> ... including device ontologies and content standards
13:26:59 <amit_oz> Michael_: clicked on all the links, #4 did not have access - access denied
13:27:57 <amit_oz> john_graybeal: encourage you to become members as it is free and low overhead...
13:28:18 <amit_oz> ... that will allow access to all content on the site
13:28:55 <amit_oz> Kevin: there is already some stuff on the wiki - should we be consolidating this? 
13:29:32 <amit_oz> Michael_: we have posted some of the contents of an internal wiki on to that - a bit of a brain dump by Laurent Lefort
13:29:49 <amit_oz> ... we need to consolidate and re-structure
13:30:33 <amit_oz> John_Graybeal: We will keep up the references with what is on the Wiki... can we keep everything on the MMI wiki to reduce the work
13:31:33 <amit_oz> Michael_: Are we trying to develop a white paper or a collection of links of interesting activities? 
13:32:36 <amit_oz> John_graybeal: White paper - not so much the links... should use the existing the material.. should outline the white paper with what we have
13:32:45 <amit_oz> +1 to that....
13:33:01 <Holger> +1, too
13:33:02 <krp> +1
13:34:25 <Adrian> +1
13:36:57 <amit_oz> action: cory and Michael to develop this together...
13:37:18 <michael_> use w3c wiki as collaboration space for document.
13:37:35 <michael_> Me, cory, and other contributors write document.
13:37:54 <krp> +1
13:38:01 <amit_oz> rrsagent, action 2 = Michael, Cory and others to develop wiki and White paper
13:38:12 <amit_oz> rrsagent, action 4 = Michael, Cory and others to develop wiki and White paper
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13:40:04 <amit_oz> rrsagent, action 2 = Kerry to lead the development a proposal with Amit_S and also Kevin for the scientific workshop
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13:42:22 <amit_oz> michael_: survey paper to be submited at ISWC workshop... and possibly a white paper for a conference?
13:42:33 <amit_oz> Amit_s: white paper should be something that looks forward
13:43:05 <amit_oz> +1
13:43:07 <krp> +1
13:43:08 <Holger> +1 to that
13:43:12 <Adrian> +1
13:43:56 <Cory> +1
13:44:13 <michael_> so, now = survey paper, possibly submit to ISWC
13:44:36 <michael_> later = white paper, built from survey paper, what we did, and future vision, etc.
13:44:42 <amit_oz> action: Survery paper - submit to ISWC workshop
13:45:27 <amit_oz> action: In the future = white paper, built from survey paper, what we did, and future vision, etc.
13:45:44 <amit_oz> action: amit_p to update the deliverables on the SSN-XG web page
13:47:12 <Kerry> +q
13:48:05 <amit_oz> +q
13:48:14 <amit_oz> ack Kerry
13:48:45 <Cory> for example: http://docs.google.com/Presentation?id=dcc9wxc9_142htpwmhfw
13:49:12 <Kerry> +1
13:49:55 <michael_> presentation or not, why not all put a short bit on the wiki.
13:50:34 <Holger> I second michael's proposal
13:50:49 <Adrian> agreed
13:51:13 <amit_oz> is this an action? 
13:52:35 <michael_> amit and cory have already done the presentation, we could listen to this independent of if we want to have others.
13:52:53 <michael_> i.e. have the presentation today
13:54:39 <amit_oz> amit_s: presentations to be focused on the agenda of the group?
13:55:25 <krp> If there is some required reading to be done before the meeting, this seems reasonable - discussion of that presentation/paper can then be an agenda item?
13:55:27 <amit_oz> Luis: presentations not to occur everymeeting..
13:55:59 <michael_> agree with Kevin
13:56:15 <Holger> +1to Kevin
13:57:30 <Kerry> +1
13:57:32 <Adrian> +1
13:57:35 <Cory> +1
13:58:07 <amit_oz> action: presentations should relate to work that is being done in XG + providing background material - focusing on efficient use of time.
13:59:22 <krp> +1 to proposal of wiki background, bio, relevance of work
14:00:00 <amit_oz> action: All participants to put their bio's (or link to your home page) & link to your project - with some summary of how the work is relevant is to XG  (limit each to 5 lines or less)
14:01:10 <Cory> Template: Participants, Project NAme and Summary (max 5 sentence with URL to project page), aspects of Relevance to XG (max 5 sentences)]
14:01:17 <Cory> Amit_S
14:01:19 <krp> Yes, need at least a couple of days notice to guarantee time to do required reading
14:01:52 <amit_oz> http://www.doodle.com/ys2d7y9pv25x746g
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14:05:46 <Holger> sort of...
14:06:06 <michael_> +1 to ...sort of...
14:06:30 <amit_oz> action: modify doodle to be at 11PM eastern time...
14:10:24 <Rodrigo> zakim, who is making noise?
14:10:24 <Zakim> I am sorry, Rodrigo; I don't have the necessary resources to track talkers right now
14:12:45 <krp> +1 1300 UTC Tuesday as week (b)
14:12:49 <michael_> +1
14:12:54 <Kerry> +1
14:12:55 <Holger> +1
14:13:03 <Rodrigo> +1
14:13:08 <amit_oz> action: Tuesday at 13:00 UTC as a decision.... (Week b)
14:13:09 <victor> +1
14:13:14 <Adrian> +1
14:13:25 <Cory> +1
14:15:40 <Adrian> sorry, I have to leave now. Another meeting. Cheers
14:15:48 <amit_oz> bye Adrian
14:15:53 <Zakim> -michael_
14:16:02 <Adrian> bye
14:16:26 <amit_oz> action: cory and manfred to discuss Week a timings...
14:17:16 <Holger> +1
14:17:18 <krp> +1
14:17:23 <michael_> +1
14:17:24 <victor> +1
14:17:25 <Rodrigo> +1
14:17:28 <Cory> +1
14:17:38 <Zakim> -amit_oz
14:17:39 <Zakim> -Luis_Bermudez
14:17:39 <Zakim> -Al_Hendrix
14:17:40 <Zakim> -PrateekJain-WSU
14:17:40 <Zakim> -??P17
14:17:41 <Zakim> -John_Graybeal
14:17:41 <Zakim> -Rodrigo
14:17:43 <Zakim> -krp
14:17:45 <Zakim> -Holger
14:17:46 <Kerry> Kerry has left #ssn
14:17:48 <amit_oz> action: next meeting to be Week b time slot
14:18:01 <michael_> bye
14:18:12 <michael_> michael_ has left #ssn
14:18:22 <Zakim> -Adrian
14:18:23 <Zakim> INC_SSN()9:00AM has ended
14:18:24 <Zakim> Attendees were +61.4.388.9.aaaa, Rodrigo, victor, amit_oz, krp, Holger, Adrian, michael_, +1.267.481.aadd, Luis_Bermudez, +1.937.257.aaee, PrateekJain-WSU, Al_Hendrix,
14:18:27 <Zakim> ... +1.650.450.aaff, John_Graybeal
14:19:43 <amit_oz> rrsagent, Action 12 = Cory and Manfred to discuss timings and get back to chair about Week (a) timings, ie UTC 20:00 - need to select a day so that Manfred can attend.
14:20:00 <amit_oz> actions?
14:21:58 <amit_oz> rrsagent, set logs world-visible
14:22:36 <amit_oz> rrsagent, create minutes
14:22:36 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/04/22-ssn-minutes.html amit_oz
14:22:54 <amit_oz> rrsagent, publish minutes
14:22:54 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/04/22-ssn-minutes.html amit_oz
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14:41:16 <amit_oz> zakim, leave
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14:41:35 <amit_oz> rrsagent, leave
14:41:35 <RRSAgent> I see 13 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2009/04/22-ssn-actions.rdf :
14:41:35 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Cory to take minutes next meeting [1]
14:41:35 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/04/22-ssn-irc#T13-10-29
14:41:36 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Kerry to lead the development a proposal with Amit_S and also Kevin for the scientific workshop [2]
14:41:36 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/04/22-ssn-irc#T13-21-00
14:41:36 <RRSAgent> ACTION: combine XG f2f with scientific workshop - including co-location [3]
14:41:36 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/04/22-ssn-irc#T13-22-14
14:41:36 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Michael, Cory and others to develop wiki and White paper [4]
14:41:36 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/04/22-ssn-irc#T13-36-57
14:41:36 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Survery paper - submit to ISWC workshop [5]
14:41:36 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/04/22-ssn-irc#T13-44-42
14:41:36 <RRSAgent> ACTION: In the future = white paper, built from survey paper, what we did, and future vision, etc. [6]
14:41:36 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/04/22-ssn-irc#T13-45-27
14:41:36 <RRSAgent> ACTION: amit_p to update the deliverables on the SSN-XG web page [7]
14:41:36 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/04/22-ssn-irc#T13-45-44
14:41:36 <RRSAgent> ACTION: presentations should relate to work that is being done in XG + providing background material - focusing on efficient use of time. [8]
14:41:36 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/04/22-ssn-irc#T13-58-07
14:41:36 <RRSAgent> ACTION: All participants to put their bio's (or link to your home page) & link to your project - with some summary of how the work is relevant is to XG  (limit each to 5 lines or less) [9]
14:41:36 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/04/22-ssn-irc#T14-00-00
14:41:36 <RRSAgent> ACTION: modify doodle to be at 11PM eastern time... [10]
14:41:36 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/04/22-ssn-irc#T14-06-30
14:41:36 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Tuesday at 13:00 UTC as a decision.... (Week b) [11]
14:41:36 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/04/22-ssn-irc#T14-13-08
14:41:36 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Cory and Manfred to discuss timings and get back to chair about Week (a) timings, ie UTC 20:00 - need to select a day so that Manfred can attend. [12]
14:41:36 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/04/22-ssn-irc#T14-16-26
14:41:36 <RRSAgent> ACTION: next meeting to be Week b time slot [13]
14:41:36 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/04/22-ssn-irc#T14-17-48