IRC log of mediaann on 2009-04-17

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07:46:06 [dsinger]

so, questions about the mapping: we need to identify for which of these properties would a query expect to return one result, and for which we could get multiple results

07:46:40 [dsinger]

we also need to work out whether the API is supposed to deliver what is in the file, verbatim, or whether it is supposed to try to manipulate the data into some kind of canonical form?

07:46:51 [dsinger]

for example, dates into ISO or RFC 3339 date format?

07:47:23 [dsinger]

identifiers into URNs, that identify the scheme and the identifier in that scheme?

07:47:35 [dsinger]

keywords from a defined set or open?

07:51:53 [dsinger]

we're also trying to define which elements are technical properties (e.g. frame size) and which are annotations

07:52:16 [dsinger]

zakim, who is here?

07:52:16 [Zakim]

sorry, dsinger, I don't know what conference this is

07:52:17 [Zakim]

On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, victorrodriguez, wonsuk, wbailer, joakim, guillaume, daniel, veroniquemalaise, raphael, dsinger, silvia, shepazu, trackbot

07:52:24 [dsinger]

zakim, this is annot

07:52:24 [Zakim]

sorry, dsinger, I do not see a conference named 'annot' in progress or scheduled at this time

07:52:30 [daniel]

In Wikipedia: Media Object is a portion of one or two elements that may contain video and/or audio. Media objects with audio are normally synchronized with the video when used at the same time.

07:56:44 [dsinger]

zakim, this is mediaann

07:56:44 [Zakim]

sorry, dsinger, I do not see a conference named 'mediaann' in progress or scheduled at this time

08:03:59 [daniel]

annotation naming: ma:title (dc:title), ma:creator(dc:creator), ma:rights(dc:rights), ma:contributor(dc:contributor), ma:description(dc:description), ma:keyword (dc:subject)

08:14:26 [daniel]

ma:identifier (A URI identifies an entity which can be either a Resource (abstract concept) or a Prpresentation (instance/file). Refer to 4.4

08:15:00 [daniel]

refer to 4.4 Annotating Media Fragments http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/WD-media-fragments-reqs/#uc4

08:15:29 [daniel]

Type: either MIME type or file format ?

08:18:28 [joakim]

zakim, this is mawg

08:18:28 [Zakim]

joakim, I see IA_MAWG()3:00AM in the schedule but not yet started. Perhaps you mean "this will be mawg".

08:18:57 [joakim]

zakim, who's here?

08:18:57 [Zakim]

sorry, joakim, I don't know what conference this is

08:18:58 [Zakim]

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08:20:16 [dsinger]

zakim, this is mawg

08:20:16 [Zakim]

ok, dsinger; that matches IA_MAWG()3:00AM

08:20:34 [dsinger]

zakim, who is here?

08:20:34 [Zakim]

On the phone I see ??P0

08:20:35 [Zakim]

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08:20:58 [Zakim]

-??P0

08:21:00 [Zakim]

IA_MAWG()3:00AM has ended

08:21:00 [Zakim]

Attendees were

08:25:20 [daniel]

ma:type (genre of the entity) and genre is removed

08:27:07 [daniel]

createdate: create the film (1800 war) in 1999 => create date is 1800 or 1999 ?

08:28:30 [daniel]

ma:createdate can be createdate, releasedate, etc...

08:35:40 [daniel]

dc:type is The nature or genre of the resource, but genre is well used and understood in contents today...which might be better word ? *Type* or *Genre* ?

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08:59:10 [daniel]

copyright is an identification holder, and what rights means ?

09:00:16 [daniel]

dc:rights => Information about rights held in and over the resource

09:04:37 [dsinger]

suggest we select 'copyright' and identify it as possibly matching dc:rights, and not have a separate 'rights

09:06:50 [daniel]

DRM and Right Managements are not in-scope of MAWG...keeping *Copyright* and removing *Rights* from the properties

09:07:20 [daniel]

W3C does not have its own DRM and just trying to reuse them

09:09:25 [daniel]

ma:language (used in resource such as english, franch, spanish, korean, etc...) reference: http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4646.txt

09:11:00 [daniel]

*

09:15:02 [daniel]

dc:relation, what relation and how to express these relationship ? such as a URI

09:18:30 [daniel]

ACTION: daniel to ask Felix for the relationship in dc:relation

09:18:30 [trackbot]

Sorry, couldn't find user - daniel

09:19:05 [daniel]

ACTION: Soohong Daniel to ask Felix for the relationship in dc:relation

09:19:06 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-103 - Daniel to ask Felix for the relationship in dc:relation [on Soohong Daniel Park - due 2009-04-24].

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09:39:33 [daniel]

ma:compression (compression of type used, such as codec: H.264, etc...), reference to :http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4281.txt

09:43:55 [daniel]

ma:ShotLocation (location associated with the entity. Can be the depicted location or shot location) reference to: http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/WD-geolocation-API-20081222/

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10:12:10 [daniel]

ma:targetAudience (is newly added): for example: parental guide (kids lock), targeting geographical, etc...)

10:12:13 [joakim]

felix re you there?

10:12:14 [daniel]

http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/Meeting_Agenda_(In_Progress)

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10:13:20 [Zakim]

IA_MAWG()3:00AM has now started

10:13:27 [Zakim]

+??P1

10:16:26 [vrodrgue]

Hi Felix, we are dialed-in...

10:17:21 [fsasaki]

hi vrodruge, I will dial in later, see above

10:19:15 [veroniquemalaise]

http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/Top_Supported_Tags

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-??P1

10:24:23 [Zakim]

IA_MAWG()3:00AM has ended

10:24:23 [Zakim]

Attendees were

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10:25:00 [wonsuk]

http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/Format_mapping_review

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10:39:46 [daniel]

make minutes

10:40:17 [daniel]

rrsagent, make minutes

10:40:17 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/04/17-mediaann-minutes.html daniel

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/04/17-mediaann-minutes.html fsasaki

11:09:53 [fsasaki]

action: Felix to provide information about language identification, in addition to RFC 4646

11:09:53 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-104 - Provide information about language identification, in addition to RFC 4646 [on Felix Sasaki - due 2009-04-24].

11:10:02 [fsasaki]

sorry for giving myself an action ...

11:10:10 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/04/17-mediaann-minutes.html fsasaki

13:04:36 [daniel]

action: Soohong Daniel to ask members for the definition of contributor types

13:04:36 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-105 - Daniel to ask members for the definition of contributor types [on Soohong Daniel Park - due 2009-04-24].

13:05:20 [daniel]

zamik, who is here

13:05:29 [daniel]

Zakim, who is here

13:06:36 [daniel]

zakim, who is here ?

13:08:16 [daniel]

action: Wonsuk (and editing team) to come up with the initial Ontology document by April 28

13:08:16 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-106 - (and editing team) to come up with the initial Ontology document by April 28 [on WonSuk Lee - due 2009-04-24].

13:10:01 [daniel]

who is here?

13:10:49 [joakim]

An identifier can adress either a "Resource" (abstract concept) or a "Representation" (instance/file).

13:11:10 [joakim]

It can be a singel object or composed of fragments

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zakim, who is here?

13:15:57 [Zakim]

sorry, daniel, I don't know what conference this is

13:15:58 [Zakim]

On IRC I see guillaume, fsasaki, RRSAgent, wonsuk, joakim, daniel, veroniquemalaise, raphael, dsinger, silvia, shepazu, trackbot

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13:26:51 [daniel]

a new selected mappilg table: http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/Top_Supported_Tags

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14:06:24 [daniel]

action: Joakim to update the all excel format files according to the new initial MAWG attributes

14:06:25 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-107 - Update the all excel format files according to the new initial MAWG attributes [on Joakim Söderberg - due 2009-04-24].

14:10:30 [veroniquemalaise]

http://dev.w3.org/2008/video/mediaann/mediaont-1.0/mediaont-1.0.html

14:22:43 [daniel]

3 major parts: introduction, definition and mapping table.

14:23:59 [daniel]

Raphael, we are now trying to shut down the meeting by 5 PM wihtout break

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14:30:20 [vrodrgue]

.

14:30:40 [daniel]

action: Joakim to make a *call for comments* to the mailing list in terms of mapping table

14:30:40 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-108 - Make a *call for comments* to the mailing list in terms of mapping table [on Joakim Söderberg - due 2009-04-24].

14:40:24 [daniel]

Attribution and description might be elaborated. Each Attribute has a clear meaning and explanation.

14:42:59 [daniel]

action: Dave to elaborate on the description and the meaning of each attribute by April 28

14:42:59 [trackbot]

Sorry, couldn't find user - Dave

14:43:25 [daniel]

who is here?

14:43:34 [daniel]

zakim, who is here?

14:43:34 [Zakim]

sorry, daniel, I don't know what conference this is

14:43:35 [Zakim]

On IRC I see florian, wbailer, Zakim, guillaume, RRSAgent, wonsuk, joakim, daniel, veroniquemalaise, raphael, dsinger, shepazu, trackbot

14:44:00 [daniel]

action: dsinger to elaborate on the description and the meaning of each attribute by April 28

14:44:00 [trackbot]

Sorry, couldn't find user - dsinger

14:45:13 [daniel]

action: David to elaborate on the description and the meaning of each attribute by April 28

14:45:13 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-109 - Elaborate on the description and the meaning of each attribute by April 28 [on David Singer - due 2009-04-24].

14:55:06 [daniel]

action: Joakim to double check the next F2F meeting date for other complicated things

14:55:06 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-110 - Double check the next F2F meeting date for other complicated things [on Joakim Söderberg - due 2009-04-24].

14:56:02 [daniel]

done

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15:05:40 [daniel]

rrsagent, make minutes

15:05:40 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/04/17-mediaann-minutes.html daniel

15:08:45 [daniel]

daniel:...

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