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13:46:13 Zakim, this will be IA_XHTML2
13:46:13 ok, trackbot, I see IA_XHTML2()9:45AM already started
13:46:14 Meeting: XHTML2 Working Group Teleconference
13:46:14 Date: 15 April 2009
13:46:21 zakim, who is here?
13:46:21 On the phone I see Roland, McCarron
13:46:23 On IRC I see RRSAgent, Roland, ShaneM, markus, Steven, markbirbeck, trackbot, Tina
13:46:28 zakim, dial steven-617
13:46:31 ok, Steven; the call is being made
13:46:32 +Steven
13:46:40 + +46.7.06.02.aaaa
13:46:55 Zakim, 46.7.06.02.aaaa is Markus
13:46:55 sorry, markus, I do not recognize a party named '46.7.06.02.aaaa'
13:47:15 Zakim, aaaa is Markus
13:47:15 +Markus; got it
13:47:40 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2009Apr/0025.html
13:47:58 Chair: Roland
13:48:08 Regrets: Alessio, Tina
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13:49:30 +Gregory_Rosmaita
13:50:11 Scribe: Steven
13:50:42 Topic: Actions
13:50:53 http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/actions/open
13:51:07 Roland: I still have to do several...
13:51:27 Roland: Action 17 may not be appropriate anymore
13:52:07 http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/actions/17
13:52:19 http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/agenda
13:52:26 Steven: Maybe put in abeyance until we know more about the activities
13:53:21 RM: this is whether HTML WG and XHTML2 WG should be merged?
13:53:38 SP: have to negotiate common position before can collaborate
13:53:55 RM: PlH concern is merging
13:54:24 SP: if we were to merge, would have to recharter to include work that has to be done - PlH thought that creating new charter would take at least 6 months
13:54:33 SP: process - drafting, consensus, review
13:55:10 SP: timetable for merging is end of year anyway -- close to when XHTML2 WG's charter runs out
13:56:37 ACTION-17 closed
13:56:37 ACTION-17 create Strawman for XHTML <=> HTML5 positioning closed
13:57:15 http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/actions/27
13:57:18 Roland: Action 27
13:57:21 Steven: Not done
13:57:28 Roland: Will go into next draft?
13:57:30 Steven: Yes
13:57:45 Roland: Action 29 we won't do
13:57:48 http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/actions/29 (adding XInclude)
13:57:58 ... I will write a note to a WG to record that
13:58:14 Steven: Just close it and refer to minutes
13:58:24 Action-29 close
13:58:36 ACTION-29 closed
13:58:36 ACTION-29 adding XInclude closed
13:59:06 http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/actions/31 (access module transition
13:59:13 Roland: ACTION 31, are we waiting for something?
13:59:46 Shane: We were waiting for reply from I18N
13:59:51 ... I think it was finished
13:59:55 "We recently received your responses to our comments on the XHTML Access Module and we reviewed them at a recent teleconference [1]. While some progress has been made, we're still not entirely satisfied with the results. Our focus is on Section 3.1.2 [2]"
14:00:23 http://www.w3.org/mid/20081119163216.M75469%2540hicom.net
14:00:57 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Nov/0013.html
14:01:01 Shane: I have an updated CR draft
14:01:04 CR Draft for publication was at http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/CR-xhtml-access-20090115/
14:01:24 Roland: There was the key discussion
14:01:41 ... I think we updated
14:01:52 second i18n post: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2009JanMar/0001.html
14:01:58 Steven: Did we get sign-off?
14:02:03 Roland: Not sure
14:02:07 Shane: Thought so
14:02:13 SP reply: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2009JanMar/0006.html
14:02:29 Steven: I'll take it offline, and if it has been signed off, I will send the request
14:02:48 Addison Phillips reply to SP's reply: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2009JanMar/0007.html
14:03:50 "This is, I should add, a problem that keyboard mnemonics have had in desktop software localization for (essentially) forever."
14:04:56 Steven: I found a response from him, that it's OK
14:05:17 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2009JanMar/0009
14:05:34 Addison: "i'm ok with this resolution" http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2009JanMar/0013.html
14:05:38 Steven: Addison OK'd that
14:06:04 Steven: Does the spec match this?
14:06:11 GJR comments: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2009JanMar/0009.html
14:06:12 Shane: No, don't think so
14:06:32 Steven: Shane, if you ping me when that's ready, I can send it out
14:07:21 Roland: Please make sure the DoC covers this as well
14:08:14 Shane: I'll do that
14:08:25 [FYI first action items we discussed bound to HTML WG action] http://www.w3.org/html/wg/tracker/actions/105
14:09:22 Gregory: I see the HTML5 WG has the same action, to talk to the XHTML2 chairs
14:09:56 Roland: WAI review; we talked about it last week
14:10:12 Steven: I was OK with it
14:10:31 Gregory: There is ARIA's relationship with @role
14:10:40 ... which says "derived from..."
14:11:17 ... and the answer that is coming back (which I don't agree with) is that it is to accomodate ARIA in HTML5
14:11:34 ... but HTML5 want to hard-code ARIA
14:11:49 ... which would freeze it, which would take ARIA out of our control
14:12:41 q+
14:14:02 Gregory: we are reviewing @alt text as well
14:14:55 ... and thinking of keying the requirement of @alt keyed off of @role="Image"
14:14:58 XHTML Access CR updated at http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2009/CR-xhtml-access-20090417/
14:15:30 ACTION-52 closed
14:15:30 ACTION-52 Read WAI ARIA by 18 march closed
14:16:03 Roland: Action 53
14:16:22 Steven: Didn't we do that already?
14:16:30 ... I recal a reply from Nick vd Bleecken
14:16:36 s/recal/recall/
14:17:12 thanks to whomever for updating http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml/vocab/
14:17:19 s/Bleeck/Bleek/
14:17:38 i mean, i now shane updated it, but someone moved it to were it should be
14:20:39 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Sep/0029.html
14:23:25 Stefven: I raised the XML Events 2 issue in the Forms WG, and Nick pointed me to the mail above
14:23:31 ... so he has done the analysis
14:25:33 ... wejust need to agree with them on the real names
14:25:43 s/wejust/we just/
14:26:00 Roland: We need to go around again
14:26:18 http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/211 - query XHTML2 and SVG on whether mixing roles and ids with targetrole and targetid for @order ok or problemmatic
14:26:29 ... we'll deal with this when we deal with XML Events 2
14:26:36 http://www.w3.org/mid/20080806150850.M78058%2540hicom.net
14:27:09 never reached resolution or response on this question from PF
14:27:32 Shane: THere are two issues - harmonising Events with XForms, and harmonising XForms with XHTML2
14:27:37 s/TH/Th/
14:27:51 Roland: We need to organise another virtual FtF
14:28:53 Gregory: I had an action on mixing roles and ids (see above)
14:28:59 http://www.w3.org/mid/20080806150850.M78058%2540hicom.net
14:29:36 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Aug/0013.html
14:30:32 Shane: Interesting
14:31:01 Steven: This clearly needs to be dealt with in the session Roland mentioned
14:31:20 Roland: Action 64
14:31:25 from GJR post: "finally, the question then arose "what happens when there is a DOM mutation that changes the number of roles (adding or subtracting from them)?"; if that happens, then the User Agent should/must find the next item, even if that item is a new item added by a DOM mutation event..."
14:31:49 Shane: Not done; big issue needs to be solved
14:32:31 Roland: Action 67?
14:32:40 Steven: They are willing, just need to settle on a time
14:32:47 Gregory: What about during the vftf?
14:33:00 Steven: Sounds good
14:33:38 a week from thursday?
14:33:47 GJR:: can do
14:33:49 Roland: 23 April?
14:33:53 can do
14:33:55 Steven: Works for me
14:34:14 Shane: I can make my morninh
14:34:20 d/nh/ng/
14:34:52 Roland: 12:00 UTC?
14:35:00 ... for 3 hours
14:35:22 s/nh/ng/
14:35:27 7am for Shane
14:35:34 1pm for Roland
14:35:45 Shane: I'll work it out, should be OK
14:35:53 +1
14:36:13 http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingdetails.html?year=2009&month=04&day=23&hour=12&min=00&sec=0&p1=136&p2=179&p3=215&p5=283
14:37:05 Still need to hear from Tina and Alession, and MarkBirbeck
14:37:19 s/Alession/Alessio
14:37:55 Roland: Send in items for the agenda
14:38:04 addition of D for dialogue
14:38:41 Shane: What about the PERs?
14:38:59 Steven: I finished off the questionaires, they'll go through the mill tomorrow
14:39:37 Roland: Steven, please invite the i18n people
14:39:39 for agenda: http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/tracker/issues/3
14:39:41 Steven: Will do
14:40:09 s/for agenda: /for virtual Face2Face agenda/
14:40:34 Roland: CURIEs, and host language
14:40:56 s/invite the i18n people/invite the i18n people to participate during 23 april 2009 virtual face2face/
14:40:58 Shane: Steven, you thought that the change wouldn't require a new last call
14:41:01 Steven: Right
14:41:23 Shane: Someone disagrees with that
14:41:32 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2009AprJun/0009.html
14:42:34 crux of post: "PROPOSED FIX: Ideally, there would be a "mimimalistic" CURIE profile, ideally something like SPARQL's abbreviation mechanism. Even QNames would be fine (though we'd recommend the spec point out that to cover all URIs there should be a non-abbreviated form)."
14:43:04 Shane: I recommend reading the thread completely
14:43:29 Roland: Let's add agenda items to the wiki
14:44:00 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-html-editor/2009AprJun/threads.html#msg7
14:44:00 http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/xhtml2/wiki/Face2Face-meetings
14:44:47 [ADJOURN]
14:44:58 -McCarron
14:45:00 -Gregory_Rosmaita
14:45:01 -Steven
14:45:01 -Roland
14:45:03 -Markus
14:45:03 IA_XHTML2()9:45AM has ended
14:45:05 Attendees were Roland, McCarron, Steven, +46.7.06.02.aaaa, Markus, Gregory_Rosmaita
14:46:34 gregory/oedipus?
14:46:50 Are the new minutes accessible for you?
14:46:56 As produced by CommonScrobe?
14:50:53 sorry, stepped away for a minute
14:52:06 i'm not sure - can't access today's minutes yet
14:52:44 rrsagent, stop