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13:24:01 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be BPWG
13:24:01 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see MWI_BPWG()9:30AM scheduled to start in 6 minutes
13:24:02 <trackbot> Meeting: Mobile Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference
13:24:02 <trackbot> Date: 14 April 2009
13:24:07 <francois> Chair: DKA
13:24:22 <francois> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2009Apr/0012.html
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13:25:29 <Zakim> +??P3
13:25:38 <tomhume> zakim, ??P3 is me
13:25:38 <Zakim> +tomhume; got it
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13:28:13 <Zakim> +??P4
13:28:16 <Zakim> -tomhume
13:28:17 <Zakim> +tomhume
13:28:36 <JonathanJ> zakim, ??P4 is me
13:28:36 <Zakim> +JonathanJ; got it
13:28:38 <francois> Regrets: manrique, adam, jeffs, kai, abel
13:28:50 <JonathanJ> Hi,
13:28:58 <Zakim> + +1.774.811.aaaa
13:29:22 <DKA> zakim, who is here?
13:29:23 <Zakim> On the phone I see tomhume, JonathanJ, +1.774.811.aaaa
13:29:24 <Zakim> On IRC I see DKA, Zakim, RRSAgent, tomhume, JonathanJ, yeliz_, francois, matt, trackbot
13:29:33 <francois> zakim, code?
13:29:33 <Zakim> the conference code is 2794 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), francois
13:30:04 <Zakim> +Francois
13:30:55 <Zakim> +??P7
13:31:00 <yeliz_> zakim, ?P7 is yeliz
13:31:00 <Zakim> sorry, yeliz_, I do not recognize a party named '?P7'
13:31:02 <francois> zakim, aaaa is DKA
13:31:02 <Zakim> +DKA; got it
13:31:12 <yeliz_> zakim, ??P7 is yeliz
13:31:12 <Zakim> +yeliz; got it
13:31:46 <yeliz_> zakim, mute yeliz
13:31:47 <Zakim> yeliz should now be muted
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13:33:03 <DKA> zakim, who is here?
13:33:03 <Zakim> On the phone I see tomhume, JonathanJ, DKA, Francois, yeliz (muted)
13:33:04 <Zakim> On IRC I see EdC, DKA, Zakim, RRSAgent, tomhume, JonathanJ, yeliz_, francois, matt, trackbot
13:33:26 <Zakim> + +41.31.972.aabb
13:33:55 <francois> zakim, aabb is EdC
13:33:55 <Zakim> +EdC; got it
13:34:47 <francois> Scribe: Tom
13:34:51 <francois> Scribenick: tomhume
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13:35:21 <Zakim> + +0207287aacc
13:35:24 <tomhume> dka: Not a lot of activity on the mailing list since we last met, and lots of regrets for today
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13:35:35 <rob> zakim, aacc is me
13:35:35 <Zakim> +rob; got it
13:35:54 <tomhume> ...Alan and Kai both send regrets, which rules out any discussion on BP2 or the addendum to BP1
13:36:09 <tomhume> ...Adam will have a new draft of BP2 ready for next Tuesday tho.
13:36:24 <tomhume> ...the idea being to issue a new draft prior to that telecon.
13:36:38 <Zakim> + +1.630.414.aadd
13:36:40 <tomhume> Topic: Checker update
13:36:47 <SeanP> Zakim, aadd is me
13:36:47 <Zakim> +SeanP; got it
13:37:02 <francois> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mobileok-checker/2009Apr/0000.html mobileOK Checker re-factoring details
13:37:32 <tomhume> francois: We talked about this a couple of weeks ago. During the F2F I agreed to refactor the MobileOK library to make it more flexible. I'm mostly done and committed.
13:38:07 <tomhume> ...Don't think I need to go deeply into coding considerations here; but the new version isn't totally backwards-compatible, other than from an external POV.
13:38:35 <tomhume> ...Any questions or comments, feel free to email the checker mailing list or contact me privately.
13:38:54 <tomhume> ...Small TODOs have been listed in the code itself, I'll do some minor editing in the upcoming days. 
13:39:17 <francois> http://dev.w3.org/2007/mobileok-ref/docs/org/w3c/mwi/mobileok/basic/package-summary.html#package_description
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13:39:53 <tomhume> ...I tried to detail as much as possible what I did. I regenerated the library javadocs. The code is the same as before, but now you can make your dreams come true and extend the library without having to touch the library itself.
13:40:00 <yeliz_> zakim, unmute yeliz
13:40:00 <Zakim> yeliz should no longer be muted
13:40:17 <tomhume> yeliz: Thanks. Can we use the code, or are there some more changes to be made?
13:40:31 <tomhume> francois: I'll make some minor ones, but nothing that makes a difference to how you plug into the library.
13:41:13 <tomhume> dka: what impact does this have on the validator itself, the W3C mobileOK checker? When does the code you've written become the code that underlies the checker?
13:42:02 <Zakim> + +49.842.9.aaee
13:42:18 <nacho> zakim, +49.842.9aaee is nacho
13:42:18 <Zakim> sorry, nacho, I do not recognize a party named '+49.842.9aaee'
13:42:23 <nacho> zakim, aaee is nacho
13:42:23 <Zakim> +nacho; got it
13:42:36 <DKA> q?
13:42:57 <tomhume> francois: none, I've not released it so far. What was mobileOK is still mobileOK. I still need to make a few small changes, at this point I wouldn't consider it to be 100% stable though it passes our test suite.
13:43:30 <tomhume> ... I have no schedule right now, but ASAP. The new version should be more performant (multithreading was improved whilst doing it).
13:44:26 <tomhume> ...The Korean guys should be able to build on top of it to create a derivation of the mobileOK standard, and Yeliz should be able to add file support.
13:44:42 <tomhume> dka: we should make sure the new version is released to the HUGE SERVER FARM that W3C has installed to run the validator
13:45:21 <nacho> q+
13:45:25 <DKA> ack nacho
13:45:51 <tomhume> nacho: we haven't had enough time to review the code from Francois
13:46:41 <tomhume> ...but we'll take a look at it and keep in touch during the week
13:47:19 <francois> ACTION-916?
13:47:20 <trackbot> ACTION-916 -- François Daoust to prepare some material for F2F identifying what changes would be needed to the mobileOK checker to allow subclassing for file: scheme handling -- due 2009-03-24 -- PENDINGREVIEW
13:47:20 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/916
13:47:33 <francois> close ACTION-916
13:47:34 <trackbot> ACTION-916 Prepare some material for F2F identifying what changes would be needed to the mobileOK checker to allow subclassing for file: scheme handling closed
13:48:09 <yeliz_> zakim, mute yeliz
13:48:09 <Zakim> yeliz should now be muted
13:48:13 <francois> Regrets+ Bryan
13:48:15 <tomhume> Topic: Status CT Guidelines
13:48:16 <francois> q+
13:48:19 <tomhume> dka: no update from Jo
13:48:29 <tomhume> ... is a new updated draft needed before we can go any further?
13:48:57 <tomhume> francois: I have 2 actions: an hour to send a summary on the same-origin policy test conformance. I would like to send my findings to the mailing list before we discuss it. It's mostly ready.
13:49:13 <tomhume> ...The second is on the x-device header registration and I haven't had time to make any progress on this
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13:51:11 <DKA> ACTION-922?
13:51:11 <trackbot> ACTION-922 -- Jonathan Jeon to look at how the existing headings could be improved and to propose classiification groupings that are orthogonal (don't talk about the same things) -- due 2009-04-01 -- OPEN
13:51:11 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/922
13:51:25 <nacho> zakim, miguel is with me
13:51:25 <Zakim> +miguel; got it
13:51:26 <DKA> Jonathan - do you have an update on this action?
13:51:40 <JonathanJ> Past week, I have sent a proposal for ACTION-922. 
13:51:47 <JonathanJ> http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=pI9qmqLP3vij6U574ZhUeCQ&hl=ko
13:52:03 <francois> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2009Apr/0007.html Jonathan's proposal
13:52:19 <DKA> Topic: reviewing Jonathan's Proposal
13:52:43 <tomhume> dka: the idea was to reclassify some of the sections within BP2
13:52:57 <tomhume> ... I don't think we can have this conversation with Adam on the call, but we can close off the action.
13:53:14 <JonathanJ> OK.
13:53:17 <tomhume> ...and next week when we're discussing BP2 we can incorporate this.
13:53:24 <francois> q+
13:53:31 <DKA> ack franc
13:53:50 <tomhume> francois: Is the idea to change the heading for the time being?
13:54:10 <tomhume> dka: during the F2F Jonathan made a proposal (a good one) that we should use a cross-referencing scheme for the different BPs and BP2.0
13:54:27 <tomhume> ...so if we're still having them in a hierarchical structure, we'll need one that doesn't conflict with that tagging.
13:55:00 <tomhume> francois: this is the renaming of sub-headings, and we need to come up with some tagging for BP?
13:55:01 <tomhume> dka: yes.
13:55:30 <tomhume> dka: to an extent this is editorial. So it's good to do and to think about, but doesn't change the recommendations, it's a better way to find or classify them.
13:55:44 <francois> close ACTION-922
13:55:44 <trackbot> ACTION-922 Look at how the existing headings could be improved and to propose classiification groupings that are orthogonal (don't talk about the same things) closed
13:56:14 <tomhume> dka: meanwhile, back at the actions... I don't see much else we can talk about today in terms of actions on these documents.
13:56:36 <tomhume> dka: lots of folks aren't here or are on holiday.
13:56:42 <tomhume> francois: nothing else from me
13:56:52 <DKA> q?
13:56:56 <tomhume> dka: we should close the call, unless anyone has anything else they'd like to raise?
13:57:05 <DKA> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/open
13:57:27 <DKA> <silence for emphasis>
13:57:54 <tomhume> dka: back next week then!
13:57:57 <nacho> bye all
13:57:57 <yeliz_> bye
13:57:59 <JonathanJ> bye
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13:58:29 <Zakim> MWI_BPWG()9:30AM has ended
13:58:30 <Zakim> Attendees were tomhume, JonathanJ, +1.774.811.aaaa, Francois, DKA, yeliz, +41.31.972.aabb, EdC, +0207287aacc, rob, +1.630.414.aadd, SeanP, +49.842.9.aaee, nacho, miguel
13:58:41 <francois> RRSAgent, draft minutes
13:58:41 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/04/14-bpwg-minutes.html francois
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15:10:18 <francois> zakim, bye
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15:10:26 <francois> RRSAgent, get out
15:10:26 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'get out', francois.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
15:10:31 <francois> RRSAgent, bye
15:10:31 <RRSAgent> I see no action items