12:00:06 RRSAgent has joined #ssn 12:00:06 logging to http://www.w3.org/2009/04/08-ssn-irc 12:00:09 did you type that in? 12:00:17 yep 12:00:24 why did it work for you and not me? 12:00:32 donno 12:00:32 what did you type in? in quotes please 12:00:44 /invite zakim 12:01:09 without the leading space ;-) 12:01:36 zakim dismiss 12:02:10 you neeed a "," after zakim's name 12:02:11 zakim leave 12:02:19 zakim, leave 12:02:19 Zakim has left #ssn 12:02:30 Zakim has joined #ssn 12:02:50 ok, we need more than one person on the chat room for these bots to come in to a chat room.... makes sense 12:04:05 amit has changed the topic to: SSN-XG Please use the conference code: 7769 12:04:51 zakim, list conferences 12:04:51 I see Team_W3M()8:00AM, P3P_PLING()8:00AM, IA_MFWG()8:00AM active 12:04:52 also scheduled at this time is DIG_WSRI()8:00AM 12:05:17 cperey has joined #ssn 12:05:47 klaus has left #ssn 12:07:19 hi Christine 12:08:59 hello 12:10:10 glad you could make it... we exchanged emails some time today/yesterday... 12:10:28 :-) I just replied 12:12:21 cool just got it... If you would like to part of the group let me know, ie if you relevance in today's meeting 12:16:56 zakim, this will be ssnx 12:16:56 I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, amit 12:20:02 zakim, agenda 12:20:02 I don't understand 'agenda', amit 12:20:14 zakim, agenda? 12:20:14 I see nothing on the agenda 12:22:16 zakim, agenda 1 = Introductions by Chairs 12:22:16 I see nothing on the agenda 12:22:55 zakim, agendum 1 = Introduction by Chairs 12:22:55 I see nothing on the agenda 12:23:12 zakim, item 1 = Introduction by chairs 12:23:12 I see nothing on the agenda 12:23:39 zakim, agenda+ Introductions by Chairs 12:23:39 agendum 1 added 12:24:27 zakim, agenda+ Introcution to Zakim, RSSAgent (conferencing tool & minute taking tool) 12:24:27 agendum 2 added 12:24:55 zakim, agenga+ Introductions by XG Members - Background and motivations 12:24:55 I don't understand you, amit 12:25:14 zakim, agenda+ Introductions by XG Members - Background and motivations 12:25:14 agendum 3 added 12:25:30 zakim, agenda+ Agenda for next meeting 12:25:30 agendum 4 added 12:25:49 zakim, agenda+ Any other items 12:25:49 agendum 5 added 12:25:59 zakim, agenda 12:25:59 I don't understand 'agenda', amit 12:26:07 zakim, agenda? 12:26:07 I see 5 items remaining on the agenda: 12:26:08 1. Introductions by Chairs [from amit] 12:26:10 2. Introcution to Zakim, RSSAgent (conferencing tool & minute taking tool) [from amit] 12:26:11 3. Introductions by XG Members - Background and motivations [from amit] 12:26:12 4. Agenda for next meeting [from amit] 12:26:13 5. Any other items [from amit] 12:30:04 looks like fun 12:30:14 just leaning the system :) 12:30:23 learning rather 12:30:37 figure that someone should know how to use it :) 12:31:16 yes, this is another (completely different) reason for me to attend 12:31:42 we will kick off the SW XG and I want to have some "outside" experience! 12:32:12 I also have an injured wrist, so typing is a little challenging :/ 12:32:28 uh huh.. are you co-chairing the SW XG? 12:33:33 :-) no there are already 3 co-chairs! I have to balance my volunteer work with paying activities 12:33:43 ok cool 12:34:02 no one pays for my time in W3C work 12:34:18 well it should be interesting to see how my first W3C Group goes 12:34:45 you come from a consulting background right? 12:35:41 yes, I am an industry analyst (I conduct market research then sell it), entrepreneur, consultant/advisor 12:36:05 do you have a URL where I can learn more about you? 12:37:01 uh - afraid not... i guess there are two brief ones that might help.... http://www.ict.csiro.au/staff/Amit.Parashar/ 12:37:27 http://www.linkedin.com/pub/2/8b5/59a 12:37:34 they are very brief... 12:37:34 funny! I can't grab them! 12:37:49 just click on them... what sort of client are you using? 12:38:05 mIRC 12:38:15 well that should work 12:38:27 terrible UI takes me back to 1970 12:38:43 just one question 12:38:49 heh 12:38:50 sure 12:38:55 fire away 12:38:59 you are chairing this XG 12:39:04 yup 12:39:12 but you are also staff?> 12:39:12 co-chairing 12:39:35 W3C staff? I was under the impression that XGs do not have "rights" to staff 12:39:56 not staff, i am part of the W3C team - I am part of the Offices team, as i manage the W3C Australia office in Australia 12:40:11 but I am employed by CSIRO 12:40:21 CSIRO hosts the W3C in Australia 12:40:44 I am doing this on behalf of my role in CSIRO 12:40:51 if that makes sense 12:41:11 so no, W3 employees are not helping :) 12:46:01 OK. thanks! 12:46:09 for the explanation 12:46:23 I need to write something up before the meeting 12:46:43 Who is going to type in the discussion into the IRC system? 12:47:49 probably me for the first meeting unless there is someone who volunteers to take minutes... 12:48:03 you need an extra hand!! 12:48:41 I'll fade into the background :-) 12:48:43 both my hands are injured, cycling accident :) - first day in a 1 year i did not wear gloves.... 12:49:06 uh huh, that is what usually happens 12:49:21 oh no! well, both my hands are in good working order, my ears as well 12:49:34 if you want me to scribe I will, but I need to hear!! 12:51:22 no problems... I shall take the duties for today and manage that way... perhaps in the future I might take you up on that offer :) 12:52:27 sounds food 12:52:28 good 12:52:56 have a good meeting 12:53:05 ok then, thanks for that 12:57:18 zakim, scribe: Amit Parashar 12:57:18 I don't understand 'scribe: Amit Parashar', amit 12:57:30 scribe: Amit Parashar 12:57:44 scribenick: amit 12:58:05 Meeting: SSN- XG 12:58:09 Manfred_DERI has joined #ssn 12:58:15 chair: Amit 12:58:19 hi Manfred 12:58:23 hi amit 12:58:23 glad you could make it 12:58:28 dialing in at the moment 12:58:42 for me the time is nice - you guys suffer 12:58:44 :-) 12:58:45 still one hour to go right? 12:59:05 weren't we supposed to start in 2 min 12:59:11 its: 13:58 here 12:59:42 what conferences 12:59:48 zakim, what conferences? 12:59:51 I see WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM, Team_W3M()8:00AM, P3P_PLING()8:00AM, IA_MFWG()8:00AM active 12:59:52 also scheduled at this time is DIG_WSRI()8:00AM 13:00:12 no still one hour to go... 13:00:33 http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=04&day=08&year=2009&hour=14&min=00&sec=0&p1=0 13:00:44 in the mail you sent around: 14:00 GMT 13:00:45 where are you based Manfred? Ireland? 13:00:51 I quite form your mail: " The first meeting has been scheduled for GMT 14:00 on the 8th of April." 13:00:57 I am in GMT 13:01:08 (Ireland) 13:01:22 looks like there is a difference betweek UTC and GMT 13:01:27 :-\ 13:01:44 summer time? probably - we changed last week 13:01:53 I better send a note to the SSN-XG 13:01:53 so, probably you are right 13:02:05 are you able to come back in an hour? 13:02:20 bbs 13:02:20 yes, sure 13:02:28 great thanks, and sorry about the mix up 13:02:43 If I am the only one who made this mistake, then we are safe :-) 13:04:42 hopefully, I should have thought of that... 13:05:06 no worries :-) 13:05:12 this is the reason I sent the Link, it says 15:00 GMT is UTC... 13:06:02 ah well, at least we managed to get a time, let's hope everyone turns up... 13:07:10 its 11 pm, time for a coffee 13:07:50 ah hah! Current UTC (or GMT/Zulu)-time used: Wednesday, 8 April 2009 at 14:00:00 13:07:50 UTC is Coordinated Universal Time, GMT is Greenwich Mean Time. 13:07:51 Great Britain/United Kingdom is one hour ahead of UTC during summer. 13:10:07 have you run W3C meetings before manfred? 13:11:21 no 13:11:33 just large EU projects 13:11:43 so, i know the pain of the organizer :-) 13:11:46 cool, used irc before? 13:11:53 thanks for sending me the link on doodle.com 13:22:49 not necessarily irc but other chats 13:23:12 doodle helps, - you'll see :-) 13:23:20 Manfred_DERI has left #ssn 13:24:34 http://www.doodle.com/hky2bdpr469d8qtp 13:29:40 hornsby has joined #ssn 13:30:11 Hi everyone 13:30:32 its Adrian from Tampere University of Technology 13:30:52 g'day Adrian 13:30:57 great to see you could make it 13:31:22 thx, day to you too. Happy to be here 13:31:56 I guess the meeting will start in 30min, right ? 13:32:54 amit_ has joined #ssn 13:33:52 yes that is correct adrian 13:34:08 ok 13:34:30 agenda? 13:34:36 cory has joined #SSN 13:34:48 Hi Cory 13:35:00 Glad you could make it 13:35:11 Hello 13:35:27 Just testing the IRC 13:35:44 no worries 13:35:51 it's pretty simple 13:35:53 :0 13:35:57 :) rather 13:36:06 thanks 13:36:50 by the way Zakim and RSSAgent are Bot's they listen to commands and execute them 13:37:06 do we need to call too or IRC is enough? I have limited phone connectivity 13:37:12 oh, ok 13:37:20 for example, if you want to know what the agenda is, type in agenda? 13:37:30 I have a phone too, but I can just use IRC if more convenient for you 13:37:59 agenda 13:38:16 hornsby: it would be preferable, however you could type in your introduction, but the phone would be preferable 13:38:20 ok, I will remain on IRC, its really easier for me 13:38:25 ok 13:38:33 try it with ? after agenda 13:38:43 I will then try to call too 13:38:45 cory, you should dial in... 13:38:57 as you are representing amit sheth 13:39:20 agenda? 13:45:56 cory has joined #SSN 13:48:36 cory has joined #SSN 13:48:46 having problems cory? 13:49:00 no, just needed to change computers 13:49:05 ok cool 13:51:55 Kerry has joined #ssn 13:52:05 evening Kerry :) 13:52:35 Holger has joined #ssn 13:52:44 evening holger 13:52:45 hello Amit & holger! 13:52:54 welcome to IRC :) 13:52:55 Hi! 13:53:19 has anyone phoned in yet? 13:53:25 not yet 13:53:37 nope 13:53:47 zakim, what conferences 13:53:47 amit, you need to end that query with '?' 13:53:56 zakim, what conferences? 13:53:56 I see Team_W3M()8:00AM, Team_(recruit)13:03Z, WAI_(AGE TF)9:30AM, IA_XHTML2()9:45AM active 13:53:58 also scheduled at this time are DIG_WSRI()8:00AM, Team_(tt)13:10Z, INC_(SSN-XG)10:00AM 13:54:35 zakim, this conference is inc_(ssn-xg) 13:54:35 ok, amit; that matches INC_(SSN-XG)10:00AM 13:54:41 thanks zakim 13:54:42 + +036223aaaa 13:54:58 who is here? 13:55:03 I'm the first who phoned in... 13:55:06 zakim, who is here? 13:55:06 On the phone I see +036223aaaa 13:55:07 On IRC I see Holger, Kerry, cory, amit, hornsby, cperey, Zakim, RRSAgent 13:55:52 zakim, holger is + +036223 13:55:52 I don't understand 'holger is + +036223', amit 13:56:23 +??P19 13:56:26 - +036223aaaa 13:56:28 + +036223aaaa 13:56:35 zakim, Holger holds +036223 13:56:35 sorry, amit, I do not recognize a party named 'Holger' 13:57:20 this zakim is very interesting and polite :) 13:58:00 + +61.4.388.9.aabb 13:58:42 I am dialled in, as is amit & holger 13:59:02 +??P21 13:59:11 I have a crying baby already, so I may not last.. 13:59:14 zakim, 036223aaaa 13:59:14 I don't understand '036223aaaa', amit 13:59:28 + +1.937.775.aacc 14:00:20 zakim, whois here? 14:00:20 I don't understand your question, amit. 14:00:26 zakim, who is here? 14:00:26 On the phone I see +036223aaaa, ??P19, +61.4.388.9.aabb, ??P21, +1.937.775.aacc 14:00:28 On IRC I see Holger, Kerry, cory, amit, hornsby, cperey, Zakim, RRSAgent 14:00:49 Manfred_DERI has joined #ssn 14:01:12 zakim, +036223 is Holger 14:01:12 +Holger; got it 14:01:37 krp has joined #ssn 14:01:39 zakim, +61.4.3889 is amit 14:01:39 sorry, amit, I do not recognize a party named '+61.4.3889' 14:01:42 + +1.937.257.aadd 14:02:13 + +3539149aaee 14:03:24 zakim, +61.4.388.9.aabb is amit 14:03:24 +amit; got it 14:03:36 zakim, who is here? 14:03:36 On the phone I see Holger, ??P19, amit, ??P21, +1.937.775.aacc, +1.937.257.aadd, +3539149aaee 14:03:39 On IRC I see krp, Manfred_DERI, Holger, Kerry, cory, amit, hornsby, cperey, Zakim, RRSAgent 14:03:58 +??P28 14:04:43 zakim, +1.937.257.aad David Hendrix 14:04:43 I don't understand '+1.937.257.aad David Hendrix', amit 14:05:04 zakim, +1.937.257.aad is David Hendrix 14:05:04 I don't understand '+1.937.257.aad is David Hendrix', amit 14:05:28 zakim, +1.937.257.aadd is David Hendrix 14:05:29 I don't understand '+1.937.257.aadd is David Hendrix', amit 14:05:56 rrsagent log 14:06:19 zakim, ??p21 is Kerry 14:06:20 +Kerry; got it 14:06:33 + +0797376aaff 14:06:46 -??P28 14:07:45 agenda? 14:08:11 +??P28 14:10:31 + +1.650.450.aagg 14:10:49 Kerry: From CSIRO - principal research scientist, thanks to Amit :) 14:11:21 ... excited by the interest in the area.. lots of people interested.. personally been working interoperability for 15 years 14:11:39 michael_ has joined #ssn 14:11:46 ... started working in formal logic with formal logic in 2000 and 2006 started working in SSN 14:11:54 At Kno.e.sis we are studying SSW so that we may be able to model, access, and reason over sensor data on the Web. We have generated an ontology based on the OGC-SWE O&M language, and hope there will be overlap with the goal of creating a sensors ontology. 14:12:00 ... applied to Water and envrionmental agencies 14:14:50 kerry: have participated in SWE (OGC) and interested in bring SSN 14:14:52 1. I would like to develop a list of use cases for the Ontology and though out the project be able to see our progress to satisfy use cases defined by the group 14:14:52 2. I would there to be integration with the semantic markup of SOS between what Amit Sheth and Cory are proposing and the ontology 14:14:53 3. I would like us to leverage existing efforts. 14:14:53 4. I think there is scope for the development of a state of the art or literature review of what has been done and what is good practice in the area 14:14:55 5. I think there is a need for us to manage Ontologies in a more sophisticated manner than we do right now, perhaps we can initiate the idea of Semantic Registeries or an OWL foundry 14:15:22 +q 14:15:34 zakim, ack 14:15:34 I don't understand 'ack', amit 14:15:38 ack amit 14:15:58 Amit_S has joined #ssn 14:16:30 Amit Sheth joined on IRC 14:16:39 welcome 14:18:05 - +1.650.450.aagg 14:18:24 manfred: Vice director at DERI on the west coast of Ireland 14:18:25 Manfred (DERI, Ireland) speaker 14:18:46 + +1.650.450.aahh 14:18:50 ... DERI funded by science foundation of Ireland... 14:19:34 ... Semantic is one of the cornerstones of the network, long track record in the area, semantic soa, web 2.0, semantic desktops... 14:19:43 ... participated in large EU projects. 14:20:04 ... looking at Sensors as a key source of information, working on semantic middleware 14:20:29 ... have developed a non-semantic infrastructure known as global sensor network (/) 14:21:04 ... we saw the need for semantic descriptions of data, sensors, infrastructures and the experiments that we do... 14:21:45 ... we need to be able to abstract, and work in declarative ways... 14:22:14 ... semantic registeries are a key cornerstone of this infrastructure... 14:22:48 ... DERI participant has semantisized OGC standards... 14:23:15 ... also working in particular project in the EU relating to sensors, (link to be sent to IRC) 14:24:02 ... first steps are being taken to work with Semantics and WSN, both are meeting in this project 14:24:46 Kevin: works at Southampton University.. background in Semantic web tech 14:24:48 Enabling Networked Knowledge: http://www.deri.ie/fileadmin/documents/DERI-TR-2008-06-25.pdf 14:25:05 GSN: gsn.sourceforge.net 14:25:19 CONET: http://www.cooperating-objects.eu/ 14:25:34 ... working in various sensor projects... working in EU project SSG4N 14:25:55 ... 6 months into the project 14:26:13 ... looking at the various markups and what is happening in the semantic world 14:26:13 Semantic Reality: http://www.semanticreality.org/ 14:26:56 Semantic Sensor Grid for the Environment http://www.semsorgrid4env.eu/ 14:27:04 hornsby: research scientist in finland @ Tampere University of Technology 14:27:22 ... mainly funded by Nokia, and part of the multi-media group 14:27:55 ... WSN in the home environment, interested low power WSN... 14:28:38 ... interested semantics, are familiar with OGC standards...and have exercised them in their projects... 14:29:24 Michael_: research scientist, background in logic... 14:30:03 ... have developed the ontology with Holger - DRAFT version on the SSN-XG Wiki 14:30:18 Holger: Working in TasICT (CSIRO) 14:30:57 ... applying the ontology to river management (water management) - sensor data being exposed via OGC SOS... enrich semantically 14:31:10 ... may be feed our results back in to OGC 14:31:45 David: (AKA Al) 14:31:56 ... working with Cory and Amit out of Wright State 14:32:26 ... goal is to work with SWE to support self declaring sensors and senor systems 14:32:57 ... and sensor fusion 14:33:17 ... we are looking to develop best practice of SWE implementation across several communities 14:37:07 +q 14:37:47 Perhaps Cory can say what we are upto and I can add (since I am not on phone) 14:38:07 Amit_S: cory has done some introductions... 14:38:17 WWW, ISWC, ESWC, ASWC 14:38:23 Sensys... 14:38:26 as well 14:39:17 +q 14:39:42 adrian: discuss the objective of the charter 14:40:24 +q 14:41:15 Kerry: on the charter- fav part of the charter is interoperability... impressed by DL and it's reasoning... 14:41:18 +q cory 14:42:31 ... developing a formal ontology to describe a list of sensors, and sensor network systems... to support interopability, not just in standardised ways... but in developing smarted reasoning software that can interoperate across a wide range of sensor systems.. 14:42:45 - +1.650.450.aahh 14:42:55 ... to assist in integration and fusion across sensor systems.. 14:43:32 ... also align with OGC and how to formalise between sensor networks and other infromation systems (eg the web) 14:43:47 ... so that they are stable reliable robust etc... 14:44:14 ... have a long terms reusable sensor networks... as a first step develop a sensor ontology... 14:44:47 ack kerry 14:45:06 + +1.831.775.aaii 14:45:11 list of things to do? 14:45:14 yes 14:45:53 Michael_: I wrote the charter with Amit Sheth... need to build an ontology to describe sensors, not necessarily all the sensors in the rest of the world 14:46:17 ... discovery, abstraction, and then do some reasoning, eg temp in Canberra 14:47:02 ... we can use the DL to help take the system from purpose built tool to some thing bigger, eg macro instrument 14:47:30 ... we need use cases... and applications... 14:48:27 +q John 14:48:34 ack Michael_ 14:49:19 Cory: two main aspects on the Charter...one is ontology... the other is to look at SWE languages... and how these could be converted to semantic languages... 14:49:33 ... we have been doing this with O&M (SOS?) 14:49:51 we have developed for example SemSOS 14:50:01 ... we need to think about services as well, ie services with semantics... SA-REST SAWSDL 14:50:09 the same broad principle of WSDL extension to SAWSDL and SARESt 14:50:16 link Amit? 14:50:16 are being taken to SWE languages 14:51:04 http://knoesis.wright.edu/library/resource.php?id=00596 14:51:14 John: John Graybeal - MBARI - California - focus on sensor observatories and networking for oceanography 14:51:29 Cory just came back from 3month trip to Australia 14:51:40 worked with CISRO on an app 14:51:41 ... began with interest in metadata, funded by NSF, created the marinemedata.org 14:51:47 but also worked with I Melborne 14:52:04 to couple their open source SWE implementation with our semantic extensions 14:52:15 and we hope to make this open source shortly 14:52:23 Cory-please add as appropriate on phone 14:52:54 ... created a platform ontology focusing on oceanography.. now focusing on device ontology... now have ontology catalogue...in alpha 14:53:25 +??P5 14:53:43 lit review, tools/method for shared development, meeting times, face to face meeting, papers?, use cases (sensor examples), ontology development, list/references to use of our work (and similar other stuff too), ontology limitations, extnesions to SWE to use 14:53:54 the ontology 14:54:12 ... there is no correlation between human definition of devices and how they use them in a computational sense 14:54:40 May I propose to create a structured list of resources available from the participants in the incubator group? Following that, I think an assessment of the state-of-the-art would probably be advisable as the first step. 14:54:43 ... my interest here is to leverage all the work that we have done so far and see if we can make better progress, rather than working by themselves.. 14:55:25 That helps us not to miss out on another group which probably should be in the group as well and we do not replicate work. 14:55:44 (+q 14:55:52 +q 14:56:02 ack amit_s 14:56:08 ack cory 14:56:13 ack John 14:56:37 ack Kerry 14:56:43 +q Manfred 14:57:27 action: structured list - state of the art in the area (Manfred) 14:57:43 +q 14:57:49 great idea 14:57:53 ack kerry 14:57:54