IRC log of er on 2009-04-08

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Zakim, this will be 3794

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ok, trackbot; I see WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes

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Meeting: Evaluation and Repair Tools Working Group Teleconference

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Date: 08 April 2009

12:27:55 [MikeS]

Chair: MikeS

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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2009Apr/0013.html

12:30:13 [MikeS]

zakim agenda+ EARL 1.0 Schema - prepare for publication of next WD

12:30:33 [MikeS]

zakim, agenda+ Where we are, where we are going

12:30:36 [Zakim]

agendum 1 added

12:30:40 [Zakim]

WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has now started

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+cvelasco

12:30:55 [JohannesK]

Zakim, cvelasco is really me

12:30:55 [Zakim]

+JohannesK; got it

12:30:58 [MikeS]

zakim, agenda+ EARL 1.0 Schema - prepare for publication

12:30:59 [Zakim]

agendum 2 added

12:31:15 [shadi]

zakim, call shadi-617

12:31:15 [Zakim]

ok, shadi; the call is being made

12:31:16 [Zakim]

+Shadi

12:31:22 [MikeS]

zakim, agenda+ next and future meetings

12:31:22 [Zakim]

agendum 3 added

12:31:36 [shadi]

zakim, who is on the phone?

12:31:36 [Zakim]

On the phone I see JohannesK, Shadi

12:32:04 [Zakim]

+ +1.512.823.aaaa

12:32:33 [MikeS]

zakim, +1.512 is really me

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+MikeS; got it

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12:32:42 [shadi]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2009Apr/0016.html

12:32:50 [shadi]

shadi has changed the topic to: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2009Apr/0016.html

12:33:28 [Zakim]

+JohannesK.a

12:33:35 [MikeS]

zakim, who is on the phone?

12:33:35 [Zakim]

On the phone I see JohannesK, Shadi, MikeS, JohannesK.a

12:34:07 [JohannesK]

zakim, JohannesK.a is really cvelasco

12:34:07 [Zakim]

+cvelasco; got it

12:34:20 [shadi]

scribe: Shadi

12:34:25 [shadi]

chair: Mike

12:34:30 [shadi]

agenda?

12:34:35 [MikeS]

zakim, next agendum

12:34:35 [Zakim]

agendum 1. "Where we are, where we are going" taken up [from MikeS]

12:35:38 [shadi]

http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/charter4

12:35:46 [shadi]

MS: is this still draft?

12:35:54 [shadi]

SAZ: not yet approved by AC

12:36:42 [shadi]

MS: we are behind, were supposed to public Last Call for the EARL Schema

12:37:24 [shadi]

...also need to publish first draft of the EARL Guide

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...also the Requirements document

12:38:36 [shadi]

SAZ: there are change requests for the requirements document in the f2f minutes and in tracker

12:38:51 [shadi]

MS: need to get started on test suites to catch up

12:38:58 [shadi]

...what are the plans?

12:39:04 [shadi]

CV: working now on it

12:41:11 [shadi]

SAZ: if we publish EARL Schema WD by mid-end April

12:41:35 [shadi]

...we could aim for a the big Last Call publication for beginning of June

12:42:01 [shadi]

...that means EARL 1.0 Schema + HTTP-in-RDF + Content-in-RDF + Pointers-in-RDF

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...is this realistic?

12:43:03 [shadi]

JK: doing on-going changes

12:44:00 [shadi]

SAZ: forgot, EARL 1.0 Guide should be part of the "big publication"

12:44:11 [shadi]

CV: should be possible

12:44:41 [shadi]

JK: am on vacation during second half of May

12:46:03 [shadi]

SAZ: if you can get the changes done before then it would be useful

12:47:11 [shadi]

...most worried about the Guide

12:48:27 [shadi]

SAZ: back to test suites, what do we need to host them?

12:49:00 [shadi]

MS: generated tests serve as test suites?

12:49:25 [shadi]

http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/tests/

12:50:54 [shadi]

SAZ: could we provide test results for the WCAG 2.0 Test Samples?

12:51:09 [shadi]

...would provide the according tests (for the context)

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...but adds a dependency

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CV: mixing two objectives

12:54:36 [shadi]

...can provide examples of valid and invalid EARL reports

12:56:06 [shadi]

MS: need to describe how the test suites should look like

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CV: EARL does not require accessibility tests

12:59:41 [shadi]

SAZ: instead of inventing test criteria, my thought was to reuse the WCAG 2.0 Test Samples

12:59:48 [MikeS]

zakim, take up next agendum

12:59:48 [Zakim]

agendum 2. "EARL 1.0 Schema - prepare for publication" taken up [from MikeS]

13:00:03 [shadi]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2009Apr/0016.html

13:01:44 [shadi]

http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/EARL10/WD-EARL10-Schema-20090407#OutcomeValue

13:02:50 [cvelasco]

typo in related instances earl:cantTell

13:04:40 [shadi]

SAZ: removed OWL namespace and fixed namespace for DC elements and DC terms

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...added instances for OutcomeValue in Section 2.7, Appenix A, and the RDF file

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...need to discuss these changes

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CV: wording for Related Instances is too weak

13:06:07 [shadi]

JK: don't think it's too weak

13:09:01 [JohannesK]

JK: change "can not" to "cannot"?

13:09:59 [shadi]

MS: maybe we get a question why we didn't do this for Test Mode

13:10:37 [shadi]

JK: last week we discussed that Test Mode doesn't need subclassing

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MS: isn't that clear to me

13:11:31 [shadi]

SAZ: how about adding an editor's note in section Test Mode to ask for feedback?

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[agreement]

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JK: isn't "cannot" one word?

13:12:28 [shadi]

MS: yes, one word

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RESOLUTION: Shadi to change "can not" to "cannot"

13:13:18 [shadi]

CV: don't like acronyms in upper case for instance names

13:14:28 [shadi]

SAZ: instance names were not discussed

13:14:52 [shadi]

...it is generally not considered good practice to differentiate between to entities using just the casing

13:16:19 [shadi]

[agreement to "passed", "failed", and "cantTell"]

13:16:37 [shadi]

MS: how about earl:na and earl:nt (lower case)?

13:17:02 [MikeS]

other option sfor names is 'inapplicable' and 'untested'

13:17:51 [shadi]

RESOLUTION: Shadi to change "NA" and "NT" to "inapplicable" and "untested"

13:18:19 [shadi]

MS: everyone set?

13:18:55 [shadi]

...other issues?

13:21:02 [shadi]

SAZ: in this publication we are looking for feedback on: 1. use of foaf:Document, 2. instances for TestMode (like OutcomeValue), 3. replacing earl:Software with DOAP, 4. conformance section

13:22:53 [shadi]

...pending adding these 4 questions to the "Status of the Document", and making the two changes discussed above, any objection to publication?

13:23:44 [shadi]

JK: range for earl:info is Literal or XML:Literal?

13:23:49 [shadi]

MS: think Literal

13:23:56 [shadi]

JK: should be RDF namespace?

13:24:12 [shadi]

...actually RDFS

13:24:34 [JohannesK]

<http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-schema/#ch_literal>: rdfs:Literal

13:24:44 [shadi]

RESOLUTION: Shadi to change range of earl:info to rdfs:Literal

13:25:28 [JohannesK]

So it should be <http://www.w3.org/2000/01/rdf-schema#Literal>

13:26:39 [shadi]

RESOLUTION: publish EARL 1.0 Schema as an updated Working Draft pending the three changes recorded above

13:27:08 [MikeS]

zakim, take up next agendum

13:27:08 [Zakim]

agendum 3. "next and future meetings" taken up [from MikeS]

13:27:26 [shadi]

SAZ: regrets for the 15th

13:28:06 [Zakim]

-JohannesK

13:28:08 [shadi]

MS: next week discuss EARL 1.0 Guide and Requirements document

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-MikeS

13:28:22 [shadi]

MS: next meeting *15 April*

13:28:28 [Zakim]

-Shadi

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trackbot, end meeting

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Zakim, list attendees

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RRSAgent, please draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/04/08-er-minutes.html trackbot

13:28:39 [Zakim]

As of this point the attendees have been JohannesK, Shadi, +1.512.823.aaaa, MikeS, cvelasco

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RRSAgent, bye

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I see no action items

13:28:42 [Zakim]

-cvelasco