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12:27:24 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
12:27:25 <trackbot> Meeting: Evaluation and Repair Tools Working Group Teleconference
12:27:25 <trackbot> Date: 08 April 2009
12:27:55 <MikeS> Chair: MikeS
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12:28:53 <MikeS> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2009Apr/0013.html
12:30:13 <MikeS> zakim agenda+ EARL 1.0 Schema - prepare for publication of next WD
12:30:33 <MikeS> zakim, agenda+ Where we are, where we are going
12:30:36 <Zakim> agendum 1 added
12:30:40 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has now started
12:30:44 <Zakim> +cvelasco
12:30:55 <JohannesK> Zakim, cvelasco is really me
12:30:55 <Zakim> +JohannesK; got it
12:30:58 <MikeS> zakim, agenda+ EARL 1.0 Schema - prepare for publication
12:30:59 <Zakim> agendum 2 added
12:31:15 <shadi> zakim, call shadi-617
12:31:15 <Zakim> ok, shadi; the call is being made
12:31:16 <Zakim> +Shadi
12:31:22 <MikeS> zakim, agenda+ next and future meetings
12:31:22 <Zakim> agendum 3 added
12:31:36 <shadi> zakim, who is on the phone?
12:31:36 <Zakim> On the phone I see JohannesK, Shadi
12:32:04 <Zakim> + +1.512.823.aaaa
12:32:33 <MikeS> zakim, +1.512 is really me
12:32:33 <Zakim> +MikeS; got it
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12:32:42 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2009Apr/0016.html
12:32:50 <shadi> shadi has changed the topic to: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2009Apr/0016.html
12:33:28 <Zakim> +JohannesK.a
12:33:35 <MikeS> zakim, who is on the phone?
12:33:35 <Zakim> On the phone I see JohannesK, Shadi, MikeS, JohannesK.a
12:34:07 <JohannesK> zakim, JohannesK.a is really cvelasco
12:34:07 <Zakim> +cvelasco; got it
12:34:20 <shadi> scribe: Shadi
12:34:25 <shadi> chair: Mike
12:34:30 <shadi> agenda?
12:34:35 <MikeS> zakim, next agendum
12:34:35 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Where we are, where we are going" taken up [from MikeS]
12:35:38 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/charter4
12:35:46 <shadi> MS: is this still draft?
12:35:54 <shadi> SAZ: not yet approved by AC
12:36:42 <shadi> MS: we are behind, were supposed to public Last Call for the EARL Schema
12:37:24 <shadi> ...also need to publish first draft of the EARL Guide
12:37:33 <shadi> ...also the Requirements document
12:38:36 <shadi> SAZ: there are change requests for the requirements document in the f2f minutes and in tracker
12:38:51 <shadi> MS: need to get started on test suites to catch up
12:38:58 <shadi> ...what are the plans?
12:39:04 <shadi> CV: working now on it
12:41:11 <shadi> SAZ: if we publish EARL Schema WD by mid-end April
12:41:35 <shadi> ...we could aim for a the big Last Call publication for beginning of June
12:42:01 <shadi> ...that means EARL 1.0 Schema + HTTP-in-RDF + Content-in-RDF + Pointers-in-RDF
12:42:48 <shadi> ...is this realistic?
12:43:03 <shadi> JK: doing on-going changes
12:44:00 <shadi> SAZ: forgot, EARL 1.0 Guide should be part of the "big publication"
12:44:11 <shadi> CV: should be possible
12:44:41 <shadi> JK: am on vacation during second half of May
12:46:03 <shadi> SAZ: if you can get the changes done before then it would be useful
12:47:11 <shadi> ...most worried about the Guide
12:48:27 <shadi> SAZ: back to test suites, what do we need to host them?
12:49:00 <shadi> MS: generated tests serve as test suites?
12:49:25 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/tests/
12:50:54 <shadi> SAZ: could we provide test results for the WCAG 2.0 Test Samples?
12:51:09 <shadi> ...would provide the according tests (for the context)
12:51:16 <shadi> ...but adds a dependency
12:54:21 <shadi> CV: mixing two objectives
12:54:36 <shadi> ...can provide examples of valid and invalid EARL reports
12:56:06 <shadi> MS: need to describe how the test suites should look like
12:56:50 <shadi> CV: EARL does not require accessibility tests
12:59:41 <shadi> SAZ: instead of inventing test criteria, my thought was to reuse the WCAG 2.0 Test Samples
12:59:48 <MikeS> zakim, take up next agendum
12:59:48 <Zakim> agendum 2. "EARL 1.0 Schema - prepare for publication" taken up [from MikeS]
13:00:03 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2009Apr/0016.html
13:01:44 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/EARL10/WD-EARL10-Schema-20090407#OutcomeValue
13:02:50 <cvelasco> typo in related instances earl:cantTell
13:04:40 <shadi> SAZ: removed OWL namespace and fixed namespace for DC elements and DC terms
13:05:16 <shadi> ...added instances for OutcomeValue in Section 2.7, Appenix A, and the RDF file
13:05:25 <shadi> ...need to discuss these changes
13:05:52 <shadi> CV: wording for Related Instances is too weak
13:06:07 <shadi> JK: don't think it's too weak
13:09:01 <JohannesK> JK: change "can not" to "cannot"?
13:09:59 <shadi> MS: maybe we get a question why we didn't do this for Test Mode
13:10:37 <shadi> JK: last week we discussed that Test Mode doesn't need subclassing
13:10:48 <shadi> MS: isn't that clear to me
13:11:31 <shadi> SAZ: how about adding an editor's note in section Test Mode to ask for feedback?
13:11:36 <shadi> [agreement]
13:12:23 <shadi> JK: isn't "cannot" one word?
13:12:28 <shadi> MS: yes, one word
13:12:50 <shadi> RESOLUTION: Shadi to change "can not" to "cannot"
13:13:18 <shadi> CV: don't like acronyms in upper case for instance names
13:14:28 <shadi> SAZ: instance names were not discussed
13:14:52 <shadi> ...it is generally not considered good practice to differentiate between to entities using just the casing
13:16:19 <shadi> [agreement to "passed", "failed", and "cantTell"]
13:16:37 <shadi> MS: how about earl:na and earl:nt (lower case)?
13:17:02 <MikeS> other option sfor names is 'inapplicable' and 'untested'
13:17:51 <shadi> RESOLUTION: Shadi to change "NA" and "NT" to "inapplicable" and "untested"
13:18:19 <shadi> MS: everyone set?
13:18:55 <shadi> ...other issues?
13:21:02 <shadi> SAZ: in this publication we are looking for feedback on: 1. use of foaf:Document, 2. instances for TestMode (like OutcomeValue), 3. replacing earl:Software with DOAP, 4. conformance section
13:22:53 <shadi> ...pending adding these 4 questions to the "Status of the Document", and making the two changes discussed above, any objection to publication?
13:23:44 <shadi> JK: range for earl:info is Literal or XML:Literal?
13:23:49 <shadi> MS: think Literal
13:23:56 <shadi> JK: should be RDF namespace?
13:24:12 <shadi> ...actually RDFS
13:24:34 <JohannesK> <http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-schema/#ch_literal>: rdfs:Literal
13:24:44 <shadi> RESOLUTION: Shadi to change range of earl:info to rdfs:Literal
13:25:28 <JohannesK> So it should be <http://www.w3.org/2000/01/rdf-schema#Literal>
13:26:39 <shadi> RESOLUTION: publish EARL 1.0 Schema as an updated Working Draft pending the three changes recorded above
13:27:08 <MikeS> zakim, take up next agendum
13:27:08 <Zakim> agendum 3. "next and future meetings" taken up [from MikeS]
13:27:26 <shadi> SAZ: regrets for the 15th
13:28:06 <Zakim> -JohannesK
13:28:08 <shadi> MS: next week discuss EARL 1.0 Guide and Requirements document
13:28:11 <Zakim> -MikeS
13:28:22 <shadi> MS: next meeting *15 April*
13:28:28 <Zakim> -Shadi
13:28:38 <shadi> trackbot, end meeting
13:28:38 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
13:28:39 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
13:28:39 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/04/08-er-minutes.html trackbot
13:28:39 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been JohannesK, Shadi, +1.512.823.aaaa, MikeS, cvelasco
13:28:40 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
13:28:40 <RRSAgent> I see no action items
13:28:42 <Zakim> -cvelasco