14:56:44 RRSAgent has joined #swd 14:56:44 logging to http://www.w3.org/2009/04/07-swd-irc 14:56:48 Zakim has joined #swd 14:56:54 Meeting: Semantic Web Deployment Working Group 14:57:20 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Apr/0012.html 14:57:24 Chair: Tom 14:57:33 TomB has joined #swd 14:57:45 -> http://www.w3.org/2009/03/24-swd-minutes.html previous 2009-03-24 14:57:52 rrsagent, please make record public 14:57:57 zakim, this will be swd 14:57:57 ok, Ralph; I see SW_SWD()11:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes 14:58:53 SW_SWD()11:00AM has now started 14:59:01 +Ralph 14:59:01 +??P7 14:59:11 zakim, ??P7 is me 14:59:11 +TomB; got it 15:00:28 Antoine has joined #swd 15:00:51 berrueta_ has joined #swd 15:01:08 ed has joined #swd 15:01:55 +josema 15:02:02 zakim, josema is me 15:02:03 +berrueta_; got it 15:02:51 + +31.20.598.aaaa 15:03:04 zakim, aaaa is Guus 15:03:04 +Guus; got it 15:03:08 +Antoine_Isaac 15:03:30 regrets: Sean 15:03:55 Guus has joined #swd 15:04:45 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Apr/0014.html 15:04:56 scribe: Ralph 15:05:05 +[LC] 15:05:19 zakim, lc is Ed 15:05:19 +Ed; got it 15:05:36 Topic: Admin 15:05:56 RESOLVED to accept http://www.w3.org/2009/03/24-swd-minutes.html minutes of 24-March telecon 15:06:14 RESOLVED next telecon 21 April, Guus to scribe 15:06:17 Topic: SKOS 15:06:49 Tom: I noted a couple of issues in SKOS Reference 15:06:58 ... do we have enough folk here to discuss these? 15:07:59 -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Apr/0002.html Adding to Section A.3 the statement: "skosxl:prefLabel, skosxl:altLabel and skosxl:hiddenLabel are pairwise disjoint properties." 15:08:35 Antoine: I think this is a matter of omission 15:08:58 ... when I first looked at it I thought it could be handled by the semantics of the core properties and the dumbing-down rules 15:09:07 ... I don't think we ever thought the semantics would be different 15:10:25 Ralph: I think we should make the change and note it was an error of omission 15:10:26 Guus: agree 15:10:51 Tom: issue 189 is still open 15:11:05 ... I think we resolved to close it 15:11:19 Antoine: it should be in the minutes of the previous meeting 15:11:31 ... but I do not see it mentioned there; we overlooked it 15:11:40 ... can we decide it right now? 15:11:43 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Mar/0059.html 15:12:39 ... we did not receive negative feedback from Magnus 15:12:44 PROPOSED: close issue 189 15:12:52 [no objections] 15:13:01 RESOLVED: issue 189 closed 15:13:20 Tom: issue 191 is still open 15:13:49 ... Alistair has proposed to close -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Mar/0039.html [2009-03-14] 15:15:37 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Mar/0037.html 15:16:22 Tom: Addison accepted the proposed prose 15:17:01 ... so message 37 can be the basis for closing issue 191 15:17:56 Ralph: that was my feeling when I made the case for publishing CR 15:19:03 RESOLVED: issue 191 closed citing http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Mar/0037.html 15:19:17 Tom: note that issue 192 is raised 15:19:26 -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Mar/0037.html issue 192 15:19:35 "CR Comment: missing bracket in example 44" 15:20:42 Tom: Antoine proposed http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Mar/0012.html changes to labels and definitions in the RDF file 15:21:03 ... Whom to list as dct:contributor (SWAD-Europe, SWBPD, SWD, public-esw-thes)? 15:21:56 ... I'd posted a long message message http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Apr/0009.html on the content, titles, and status of the HTML representations 15:22:13 ... I suggest we skip discussion of this until Alistair and Sean are present 15:22:38 ... also question of OWL 1 DL prune of SKOS Ontology: 15:22:53 ... -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Mar/0071.html [Sean 25 March] 15:23:09 ... -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Apr/0004.html [Alistair 3 April] 15:23:18 ... I suggest we postpone this discussion as well 15:23:42 [CONTINUES] ACTION: Antoine add the Vrieje Uni tool to the implementation report [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/02/24-swd-minutes.html#action08] 15:23:51 [DONE] ACTION: Alistair to write draft message call for implementations and issue to the list [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/03/24-swd-minutes.html#action04] 15:24:10 -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Mar/0070.html draft email: Call for Implementations: SKOS Simple Knowledge Organization System [Alistair 2009-03-24] 15:24:41 http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/SKOS/DisseminationLists 15:24:44 Tom: do we know what lists this message should be sent to? 15:24:56 ... we should send it today 15:25:25 Antoine: I'm willing to send but I think we should change the date; 15 April is now too soon 15:25:38 ... would 2 more weeks be compatible with our timeline? 15:25:51 ... that would be a minimum, though personally I'd prefer more time 15:26:55 Tom: how about 30 April, matching our CR end 15:27:22 ACTION: Antoine send call for implementations to the lists identified in http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/SKOS/DisseminationLists with the date changed to 30 April 15:28:15 Tom: I noted that the legacy SKOS Core documents could usefully have forward links to the new specification 15:28:35 -- http://www.w3.org/TR/swbp-skos-core-spec/ - DONE 15:28:35 -- http://www.w3.org/TR/swbp-skos-core-guide/ - DONE 15:28:35 -- http://www.w3.org/TR/swbp-thesaurus-pubguide/ 15:28:35 - see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Jun/0079.html 15:28:35 -- http://www.w3.org/2004/02/skos/mapping/spec/2004-11-11.html 15:28:54 Tom: I suggest that Antoine could create a single page pointing readers forward to the new SKOS Primer 15:29:00 Antoine: the Best Practices as well 15:29:01 Tom: yes 15:29:36 RESOLVED: create intermediate pages for the legacy SKOS Core documents referring readers to the new specifications 15:30:07 ACTION: Antoine draft intermediate pages for the legacy SKOS Core documents referring readers to the new specifications 15:30:56 Tom: on the mapping vocabulary specification, we could use a page similar to the one for swbp-skos-core-spec 15:31:05 Antoine: sounds reasonable, I'll include it in my action 15:31:42 ACTION: Antoine draft intermediate pages for http://www.w3.org/2004/02/skos/mapping/spec/2004-11-11.html referring readers to the new specifications 15:32:00 Topic: RDFa 15:32:10 [CONTINUES] ACTION: Ben review RDFa Use Cases and propose transition to Group Note [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/30-swd-minutes.html#action02] 15:32:16 Topic: Recipes 15:32:27 [CONTINUES] ACTION: Ralph to review the revised Recipes draft [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/02-swd-minutes.html#action15] 15:32:39 [CONTINUES] ACTION: Ralph/Diego to work on Wordnet implementation [of Recipes implementations] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action20] 15:32:45 -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Apr/0017.html new Recipes draft 15:32:49 [DONE] ACTION: Diego to prepare new version of recipes note [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/03/24-swd-minutes.html#action07] 15:33:07 Diego: I send the new Recipes draft 15:33:15 ... also I opened a new tracker issue 15:33:32 ... issue 193 15:33:55 -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/193 issue 193; HTML served to browser even when RDF is explicitely requested in the Accept header 15:34:24 Tom: we'll discuss this new draft at a future meeting 15:34:31 Topic: RDFa Metadata Note 15:34:40 [CONTINUES] ACTION: Ralph post his comments on the editor's draft of the metadata note [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/25-swd-minutes.html#action03] 15:34:42 Topic: AOB 15:34:49 [DONE] ACTION: Guus to draft response to ian with thanks for addressing comments, happy to see revised documents, would favour new features document also to include rdf syntax [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/03/24-swd-minutes.html#action11] 15:35:09 -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Apr/0018.html Re: [LC response] To SWD WG [Guus 2009-04-07] 15:35:30 Tom: -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Mar/0076.html equest for WAI-ARIA review, Accessible Rich Internet Applications 1.0, Last Call 15:35:42 ... I don't think we have enough resources in the WG to formally do this 15:35:56 ... but if anyone has the time individually, please feel free 15:36:03 ... comment deadline is 17 April 15:36:34 ... do we need to send a formal reply? 15:36:48 Ralph: yes, please send what you just said 15:36:58 Tom: OK, I'll reply to Michael Cooper and CC the WG list 15:37:38 [adjourned] 15:37:46 -Ed 15:37:50 zakim, list participants 15:37:50 As of this point the attendees have been Ralph, TomB, berrueta_, +31.20.598.aaaa, Guus, Antoine_Isaac, Ed 15:37:53 -Antoine_Isaac 15:37:53 -berrueta_ 15:37:55 -TomB 15:38:02 zakim, who is here 15:38:02 Guus, you need to end that query with '?' 15:38:02 rrsagent, please draft minutes 15:38:02 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/04/07-swd-minutes.html Ralph 15:38:28 zakim, who is here? 15:38:28 On the phone I see Ralph, Guus 15:38:29 On IRC I see Guus, edsu, Antoine, TomB, Zakim, RRSAgent, Ralph 15:40:51 marghe has joined #swd 15:43:21 +Margherita_Sini 15:44:05 -Margherita_Sini 15:44:11 marghe has left #swd 15:45:06 -Ralph 15:45:07 -Guus 15:45:07 SW_SWD()11:00AM has ended 15:45:08 Attendees were Ralph, TomB, berrueta_, +31.20.598.aaaa, Guus, Antoine_Isaac, Ed, Margherita_Sini 16:05:18 zakim, bye 16:05:18 Zakim has left #swd 16:08:17 Antoine has left #swd 17:13:52 rrsagent, bye 17:13:52 I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2009/04/07-swd-actions.rdf : 17:13:52 ACTION: Antoine send call for implementations to the lists identified in http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/SKOS/DisseminationLists with the date changed to 30 April [1] 17:13:52 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/04/07-swd-irc#T15-27-22 17:13:52 ACTION: Antoine draft intermediate pages for the legacy SKOS Core documents referring readers to the new specifications [2] 17:13:52 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/04/07-swd-irc#T15-30-07 17:13:52 ACTION: Antoine draft intermediate pages for http://www.w3.org/2004/02/skos/mapping/spec/2004-11-11.html referring readers to the new specifications [3] 17:13:52 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/04/07-swd-irc#T15-31-42