IRC log of swd on 2009-04-07

Timestamps are in UTC.

14:56:44 [RRSAgent]

RRSAgent has joined #swd

14:56:44 [RRSAgent]

logging to http://www.w3.org/2009/04/07-swd-irc

14:56:48 [Zakim]

Zakim has joined #swd

14:56:54 [Ralph]

Meeting: Semantic Web Deployment Working Group

14:57:20 [Ralph]

Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Apr/0012.html

14:57:24 [Ralph]

Chair: Tom

14:57:33 [TomB]

TomB has joined #swd

14:57:45 [Ralph]

-> http://www.w3.org/2009/03/24-swd-minutes.html previous 2009-03-24

14:57:52 [Ralph]

rrsagent, please make record public

14:57:57 [Ralph]

zakim, this will be swd

14:57:57 [Zakim]

ok, Ralph; I see SW_SWD()11:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes

14:58:53 [Zakim]

SW_SWD()11:00AM has now started

14:59:01 [Zakim]

+Ralph

14:59:01 [Zakim]

+??P7

14:59:11 [TomB]

zakim, ??P7 is me

14:59:11 [Zakim]

+TomB; got it

15:00:28 [Antoine]

Antoine has joined #swd

15:00:51 [berrueta_]

berrueta_ has joined #swd

15:01:08 [ed]

ed has joined #swd

15:01:55 [Zakim]

+josema

15:02:02 [berrueta_]

zakim, josema is me

15:02:03 [Zakim]

+berrueta_; got it

15:02:51 [Zakim]

+ +31.20.598.aaaa

15:03:04 [Ralph]

zakim, aaaa is Guus

15:03:04 [Zakim]

+Guus; got it

15:03:08 [Zakim]

+Antoine_Isaac

15:03:30 [Ralph]

regrets: Sean

15:03:55 [Guus]

Guus has joined #swd

15:04:45 [Ralph]

Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Apr/0014.html

15:04:56 [Ralph]

scribe: Ralph

15:05:05 [Zakim]

+[LC]

15:05:19 [Ralph]

zakim, lc is Ed

15:05:19 [Zakim]

+Ed; got it

15:05:36 [Ralph]

Topic: Admin

15:05:56 [Ralph]

RESOLVED to accept http://www.w3.org/2009/03/24-swd-minutes.html minutes of 24-March telecon

15:06:14 [Ralph]

RESOLVED next telecon 21 April, Guus to scribe

15:06:17 [Ralph]

Topic: SKOS

15:06:49 [Ralph]

Tom: I noted a couple of issues in SKOS Reference

15:06:58 [Ralph]

... do we have enough folk here to discuss these?

15:07:59 [Ralph]

-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Apr/0002.html Adding to Section A.3 the statement: "skosxl:prefLabel, skosxl:altLabel and skosxl:hiddenLabel are pairwise disjoint properties."

15:08:35 [Ralph]

Antoine: I think this is a matter of omission

15:08:58 [Ralph]

... when I first looked at it I thought it could be handled by the semantics of the core properties and the dumbing-down rules

15:09:07 [Ralph]

... I don't think we ever thought the semantics would be different

15:10:25 [Ralph]

Ralph: I think we should make the change and note it was an error of omission

15:10:26 [Ralph]

Guus: agree

15:10:51 [Ralph]

Tom: issue 189 is still open

15:11:05 [Ralph]

... I think we resolved to close it

15:11:19 [Ralph]

Antoine: it should be in the minutes of the previous meeting

15:11:31 [Ralph]

... but I do not see it mentioned there; we overlooked it

15:11:40 [Ralph]

... can we decide it right now?

15:11:43 [Antoine]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Mar/0059.html

15:12:39 [Ralph]

... we did not receive negative feedback from Magnus

15:12:44 [Ralph]

PROPOSED: close issue 189

15:12:52 [Ralph]

[no objections]

15:13:01 [Ralph]

RESOLVED: issue 189 closed

15:13:20 [Ralph]

Tom: issue 191 is still open

15:13:49 [Ralph]

... Alistair has proposed to close -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Mar/0039.html [2009-03-14]

15:15:37 [TomB]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Mar/0037.html

15:16:22 [Ralph]

Tom: Addison accepted the proposed prose

15:17:01 [Ralph]

... so message 37 can be the basis for closing issue 191

15:17:56 [Ralph]

Ralph: that was my feeling when I made the case for publishing CR

15:19:03 [Ralph]

RESOLVED: issue 191 closed citing http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Mar/0037.html

15:19:17 [Ralph]

Tom: note that issue 192 is raised

15:19:26 [Ralph]

-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Mar/0037.html issue 192

15:19:35 [Ralph]

"CR Comment: missing bracket in example 44"

15:20:42 [Ralph]

Tom: Antoine proposed http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Mar/0012.html changes to labels and definitions in the RDF file

15:21:03 [Ralph]

... Whom to list as dct:contributor (SWAD-Europe, SWBPD, SWD, public-esw-thes)?

15:21:56 [Ralph]

... I'd posted a long message message http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Apr/0009.html on the content, titles, and status of the HTML representations

15:22:13 [Ralph]

... I suggest we skip discussion of this until Alistair and Sean are present

15:22:38 [Ralph]

... also question of OWL 1 DL prune of SKOS Ontology:

15:22:53 [Ralph]

... -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Mar/0071.html [Sean 25 March]

15:23:09 [Ralph]

... -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Apr/0004.html [Alistair 3 April]

15:23:18 [Ralph]

... I suggest we postpone this discussion as well

15:23:42 [Ralph]

[CONTINUES] ACTION: Antoine add the Vrieje Uni tool to the implementation report [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/02/24-swd-minutes.html#action08]

15:23:51 [Ralph]

[DONE] ACTION: Alistair to write draft message call for implementations and issue to the list [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/03/24-swd-minutes.html#action04]

15:24:10 [Ralph]

-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Mar/0070.html draft email: Call for Implementations: SKOS Simple Knowledge Organization System [Alistair 2009-03-24]

15:24:41 [Antoine]

http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/SKOS/DisseminationLists

15:24:44 [Ralph]

Tom: do we know what lists this message should be sent to?

15:24:56 [Ralph]

... we should send it today

15:25:25 [Ralph]

Antoine: I'm willing to send but I think we should change the date; 15 April is now too soon

15:25:38 [Ralph]

... would 2 more weeks be compatible with our timeline?

15:25:51 [Ralph]

... that would be a minimum, though personally I'd prefer more time

15:26:55 [Ralph]

Tom: how about 30 April, matching our CR end

15:27:22 [Ralph]

ACTION: Antoine send call for implementations to the lists identified in http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/SKOS/DisseminationLists with the date changed to 30 April

15:28:15 [Ralph]

Tom: I noted that the legacy SKOS Core documents could usefully have forward links to the new specification

15:28:35 [Ralph]

-- http://www.w3.org/TR/swbp-skos-core-spec/ - DONE

15:28:35 [Ralph]

-- http://www.w3.org/TR/swbp-skos-core-guide/ - DONE

15:28:35 [Ralph]

-- http://www.w3.org/TR/swbp-thesaurus-pubguide/

15:28:35 [Ralph]

- see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Jun/0079.html

15:28:35 [Ralph]

-- http://www.w3.org/2004/02/skos/mapping/spec/2004-11-11.html

15:28:54 [Ralph]

Tom: I suggest that Antoine could create a single page pointing readers forward to the new SKOS Primer

15:29:00 [Ralph]

Antoine: the Best Practices as well

15:29:01 [Ralph]

Tom: yes

15:29:36 [Ralph]

RESOLVED: create intermediate pages for the legacy SKOS Core documents referring readers to the new specifications

15:30:07 [Ralph]

ACTION: Antoine draft intermediate pages for the legacy SKOS Core documents referring readers to the new specifications

15:30:56 [Ralph]

Tom: on the mapping vocabulary specification, we could use a page similar to the one for swbp-skos-core-spec

15:31:05 [Ralph]

Antoine: sounds reasonable, I'll include it in my action

15:31:42 [Ralph]

ACTION: Antoine draft intermediate pages for http://www.w3.org/2004/02/skos/mapping/spec/2004-11-11.html referring readers to the new specifications

15:32:00 [Ralph]

Topic: RDFa

15:32:10 [Ralph]

[CONTINUES] ACTION: Ben review RDFa Use Cases and propose transition to Group Note [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/30-swd-minutes.html#action02]

15:32:16 [Ralph]

Topic: Recipes

15:32:27 [Ralph]

[CONTINUES] ACTION: Ralph to review the revised Recipes draft [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/02-swd-minutes.html#action15]

15:32:39 [Ralph]

[CONTINUES] ACTION: Ralph/Diego to work on Wordnet implementation [of Recipes implementations] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action20]

15:32:45 [berrueta_]

-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Apr/0017.html new Recipes draft

15:32:49 [Ralph]

[DONE] ACTION: Diego to prepare new version of recipes note [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/03/24-swd-minutes.html#action07]

15:33:07 [Ralph]

Diego: I send the new Recipes draft

15:33:15 [Ralph]

... also I opened a new tracker issue

15:33:32 [Ralph]

... issue 193

15:33:55 [Ralph]

-> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/193 issue 193; HTML served to browser even when RDF is explicitely requested in the Accept header

15:34:24 [Ralph]

Tom: we'll discuss this new draft at a future meeting

15:34:31 [Ralph]

Topic: RDFa Metadata Note

15:34:40 [Ralph]

[CONTINUES] ACTION: Ralph post his comments on the editor's draft of the metadata note [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/25-swd-minutes.html#action03]

15:34:42 [Ralph]

Topic: AOB

15:34:49 [Ralph]

[DONE] ACTION: Guus to draft response to ian with thanks for addressing comments, happy to see revised documents, would favour new features document also to include rdf syntax [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/03/24-swd-minutes.html#action11]

15:35:09 [Ralph]

-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Apr/0018.html Re: [LC response] To SWD WG [Guus 2009-04-07]

15:35:30 [Ralph]

Tom: -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Mar/0076.html equest for WAI-ARIA review, Accessible Rich Internet Applications 1.0, Last Call

15:35:42 [Ralph]

... I don't think we have enough resources in the WG to formally do this

15:35:56 [Ralph]

... but if anyone has the time individually, please feel free

15:36:03 [Ralph]

... comment deadline is 17 April

15:36:34 [Ralph]

... do we need to send a formal reply?

15:36:48 [Ralph]

Ralph: yes, please send what you just said

15:36:58 [Ralph]

Tom: OK, I'll reply to Michael Cooper and CC the WG list

15:37:38 [Ralph]

[adjourned]

15:37:46 [Zakim]

-Ed

15:37:50 [Ralph]

zakim, list participants

15:37:50 [Zakim]

As of this point the attendees have been Ralph, TomB, berrueta_, +31.20.598.aaaa, Guus, Antoine_Isaac, Ed

15:37:53 [Zakim]

-Antoine_Isaac

15:37:53 [Zakim]

-berrueta_

15:37:55 [Zakim]

-TomB

15:38:02 [Guus]

zakim, who is here

15:38:02 [Zakim]

Guus, you need to end that query with '?'

15:38:02 [Ralph]

rrsagent, please draft minutes

15:38:02 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/04/07-swd-minutes.html Ralph

15:38:28 [Guus]

zakim, who is here?

15:38:28 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Ralph, Guus

15:38:29 [Zakim]

On IRC I see Guus, edsu, Antoine, TomB, Zakim, RRSAgent, Ralph

15:40:51 [marghe]

marghe has joined #swd

15:43:21 [Zakim]

+Margherita_Sini

15:44:05 [Zakim]

-Margherita_Sini

15:44:11 [marghe]

marghe has left #swd

15:45:06 [Zakim]

-Ralph

15:45:07 [Zakim]

-Guus

15:45:07 [Zakim]

SW_SWD()11:00AM has ended

15:45:08 [Zakim]

Attendees were Ralph, TomB, berrueta_, +31.20.598.aaaa, Guus, Antoine_Isaac, Ed, Margherita_Sini

16:05:18 [Ralph]

zakim, bye

16:05:18 [Zakim]

Zakim has left #swd

16:08:17 [Antoine]

Antoine has left #swd

17:13:52 [Ralph]

rrsagent, bye

17:13:52 [RRSAgent]

I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2009/04/07-swd-actions.rdf :

17:13:52 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Antoine send call for implementations to the lists identified in http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/SKOS/DisseminationLists with the date changed to 30 April [1]

17:13:52 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/04/07-swd-irc#T15-27-22

17:13:52 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Antoine draft intermediate pages for the legacy SKOS Core documents referring readers to the new specifications [2]

17:13:52 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/04/07-swd-irc#T15-30-07

17:13:52 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Antoine draft intermediate pages for http://www.w3.org/2004/02/skos/mapping/spec/2004-11-11.html referring readers to the new specifications [3]

17:13:52 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/04/07-swd-irc#T15-31-42