IRC log of soap-jms on 2009-04-07

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Zakim, this will be SJMS
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ok, trackbot; I see WS_SOAP-JM()12:00PM scheduled to start in 7 minutes
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Meeting: SOAP-JMS Binding Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 07 April 2009
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Chair: Roland
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WS_SOAP-JM()12:00PM has now started
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+ +0196287aaaa
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Yves has changed the topic to:
16:03:47 [mphillip]
Zakim, aaa is mphillip
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sorry, mphillip, I do not recognize a party named 'aaa'
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Zakim, aaaa is mphillip
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+mphillip; got it
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scribe: mphillip
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Topic: Actions
16:05:35 [Roland]
16:06:08 [mphillip]
Eric: No progress on action 32
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Derek: No progress on action 68
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Eric: no progress on action 70 (taken over by Eric a couple of weeks ago)
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Roland: has reassigned to Eric
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Roland: This is one of the final last-call comments
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Eric: Sent follow up to Harald on IRI JNDI issue (action 73) - there was one question left - whether we prefix custom properties on the IRI
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16:10:26 [mphillip]
Eric: 3 categories of JNDI properties - connection name, standard JNDI properties to establish the connection name, and custom properties relating to a JNDI provider
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16:11:37 [mphillip]
Eric: We don't treat the name of properties the same (e.g. some have "jndi-" prefix)
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Example: &jndi-com.sun.jndi.someParameter=someValue
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Example: &jndiConnectionFactoryName=CONNFACT
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Eric: Favour convention over consistency - "jndi-" prefix seems too verbose
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Roland: Harald is asking whether we have considered consistent naming rather than strongly suggesting we change
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Eric:The advantage of our current (inconsistent) scheme is that it is more concise
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Roland: and the additional parameters will be uncommon
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(i.e. the "jndi-" parms)
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Roland: Suggest we write back stating that the common parameters will be kept without a prefix for brevity
16:18:34 [mphillip]
Derek: Suggests changing "jndi-" to "jndiContextParameter"
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for consistency with Binding spec.
16:19:31 [mphillip]
Derek: Not as concise, but as we have said, this is the edge case
16:19:43 [mphillip]
Roland: ...and it is consistent with WSDl
16:20:01 [mphillip]
Roland: Agreed - this has some merit
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Eric: Likes Derek's suggestion
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Roland: Any disagreement ?
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no-one disgreed with Derek's proposal
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RESOLUTION: Eric to update the IRI spec, and write to Harald
16:22:48 [mphillip]
Action: Derek to review the SOAP-JMS Binding spec to see if any changes are required for new jndi naming scheme
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Created ACTION-79 - Review the SOAP-JMS Binding spec to see if any changes are required for new jndi naming scheme [on Derek Rokicki - due 2009-04-14].
16:23:56 [mphillip]
No progress on action 75
16:24:17 [mphillip]
Amy: sent email to list on action 77 (precedence rules)
16:24:59 [Roland]
16:25:38 [mphillip]
Amy: We need to be clearer that the environment can override the WSDL
16:27:08 [mphillip]
Roland: We need to make it clear that when we resolve the URI in the WSDL, it is part of the precedence rules in the WSDL
16:27:44 [mphillip]
Amy: Recommends the addition of the single sentence in the email to section 3.4.5
16:28:43 [mphillip]
Roland: Does this also apply to WSDL2 ?
16:29:03 [mphillip]
Amy: yes, but we handle WSDL 2 by referring to WSDL 1
16:32:04 [mphillip]
Eric: The is a question "How do we know that a URI in the environment overrides the WSDL?" In TIBCO BusinessWorks, a SOAP/JMS WSDL can be overriden by the customer
16:32:54 [mphillip]
Roland: Maybe need to strengthen the statements in 2.2
16:33:12 [mphillip]
Amy: The environment includes JMS message
16:34:54 [mphillip]
Roland: Maybe 2.2 is not correct. States that precedence is Environment, WSDL, URI. This is a confusing statement
16:36:18 [mphillip]
Amy: We should explain that statement means the URI in WSDL. URI can come from WSDL, environment, or message. Presumably any ReplyTo URI in the message will trump any other value.
16:37:47 [mphillip]
Amy: If we're not clear we should consider cutting text instead of adding some
16:38:19 [mphillip]
Roland: Yes, we should drop the URI from section 2.2, because it is not clear where this URI comes from
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(this is point 3 in section 2.2)
16:39:41 [mphillip]
Action: Roland to remove point 3 (properties come from JMS URI) from section 2.2
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Created ACTION-80 - Remove point 3 (properties come from JMS URI) from section 2.2 [on Roland Merrick - due 2009-04-14].
16:39:52 [mphillip]
Amy: Offers to review the changes
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TOPIC: Last Call Comments
16:40:25 [Roland]
16:40:50 [mphillip]
close action-78
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ACTION-78 Chase acknowledgement of all our responses closed
16:41:04 [mphillip]
Roland: Has chased up the comments per action 78
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LC07 - waiting for Eric's action
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LC09 - discussed today
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LC08 - waiting for Dongbo to accept reply
16:43:22 [mphillip]
Roland: If we can get these comments accepted, how long will it take to move to Candidate Recommendation
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Yves: If we have made major changes we may need another Last Call - this needs to be reviewed
16:44:31 [mphillip]
Yves: Would take another 2 weeks to get approval for CR
16:44:57 [mphillip]
Roland: So good chance of getting to CR by end of April?
16:46:28 [mphillip]
Roland: Please try to finish last call actions by next week
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WS_SOAP-JM()12:00PM has ended
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Attendees were Roland, Derek, Yves, +0196287aaaa, mphillip, eric, alewis
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Regrets: Phil
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I have made the request to generate mphillip
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I have made the request to generate Roland
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Zakim, please part
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