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13:25:33 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be BPWG
13:25:33 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see MWI_BPWG()9:30AM scheduled to start in 5 minutes
13:25:34 <trackbot> Meeting: Mobile Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference
13:25:34 <trackbot> Date: 07 April 2009
13:25:36 <francois> Chair: jo
13:26:04 <francois> Regrets: alanc, manrique
13:26:22 <francois> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2009Apr/0005.html
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13:29:12 <Zakim> MWI_BPWG()9:30AM has now started
13:29:19 <Zakim> +??P0
13:29:27 <tomhume> zakim, ??P0 is me
13:29:27 <Zakim> +tomhume; got it
13:29:28 <cgi-irc> zakim, code?
13:29:28 <Zakim> the conference code is 2794 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), cgi-irc
13:29:39 <jo> jo has joined #bpwg
13:29:53 <Zakim> +francois
13:30:07 <Zakim> + +1.207.881.aaaa
13:30:17 <jo> jo has changed the topic to: Mobile Web Best Practices Working Group
13:30:17 <cgi-irc> zakim, aaa is me
13:30:17 <Zakim> sorry, cgi-irc, I do not recognize a party named 'aaa'
13:30:30 <jo> zakim, code?
13:30:30 <Zakim> the conference code is 2794 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), jo
13:30:33 <Zakim> +DKA
13:31:05 <adam> zakim, aaaa is me
13:31:05 <Zakim> +adam; got it
13:31:33 <francois> Present: adam, francois, jo, tomhume, yeliz, DKA
13:31:40 <Zakim> +jo
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13:31:59 <jo> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2009Apr/0005.html
13:32:16 <jo> zakim, who is here?
13:32:16 <Zakim> On the phone I see tomhume, francois, adam, DKA, jo
13:32:17 <Zakim> On IRC I see rob, jo, yeliz, adam, Zakim, RRSAgent, tomhume, francois, trackbot
13:32:38 <jo> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:32:38 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/04/07-bpwg-minutes.html jo
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13:32:58 <jo> rrsagent, make logs public
13:32:59 <Zakim> +Kai_Dietrich
13:33:33 <francois> Present+ Kai
13:33:41 <Zakim> +dstorey
13:33:50 <francois> Present+ DavidStorey
13:34:47 <Zakim> +??P7
13:34:52 <yeliz> zakim, ??P7 is yeliz
13:34:52 <Zakim> +yeliz; got it
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13:35:13 <yeliz> zakim, mute yeliz
13:35:13 <Zakim> yeliz should now be muted
13:35:15 <jo> scribenick: adam
13:35:48 <Zakim> + +98439aabb
13:36:23 <jo> --> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2009Apr/0005.html Agenda
13:36:26 <Zakim> +rob
13:36:40 <adam> Topic: Review of F2F
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13:38:05 <jo> --> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2009Mar/0173.html Minutes - day 1
13:38:23 <adam> francois: we should discuss schedule for next working draft of MWABP.
13:38:23 <jo> --> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2009Mar/0174.html Minutes - day 2
13:38:30 <Zakim> +SeanP
13:38:46 <jo> --> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2009Mar/0176.html Minutes - day 3
13:39:15 <jo> zakim, mute me
13:39:15 <Zakim> jo should now be muted
13:39:54 <adam> francois: Day 2, CT. I have been actioned to investigate test suite to test conformance to same origin policy. Will send a mail before the end of this wk to follow up.
13:40:56 <adam> francois: On topic of HTTPS, continued to agree to disagree. Resolution taken that there is no way to transform https content except rewriting links, but it is strongly discouraged.
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13:41:38 <adam> francois: Day 3, MobileOK trial.
13:41:39 <jo> ack me
13:42:05 <jo> s/MobileOK/Korean MobileOK/
13:42:24 <adam> francois: Gap analysis between MobileOK BP and Korean market presented. We passed resolution to accept regional variations of MobileOK.
13:43:37 <adam> francois: On relationship on WCAG and BP, working group endorses this document and is waiting for final approval to publish.
13:44:12 <adam> Topic: Working Group Extension
13:45:00 <adam> jo: We won't complete our work by June, so we need to request an extension if we want to continue work. This needs a resolution.
13:45:52 <adam> francois: We still have a little time so long as we are only extending the deadline. We should wait to see where we are at and request only the months we are going to need and not more. The process should be fast enough to make this request end of May.
13:46:50 <jo> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: We don't know quite how much time we will need, or what we will be doing so we will review charter extension in May
13:47:05 <tomhume> +1
13:47:10 <Kai> +1
13:47:11 <EdC> +1
13:47:13 <francois> +1
13:47:14 <rob> +1
13:47:14 <SeanP> +1
13:47:15 <adam> dka: I wonder what work we will actually be doing during this extension. Will we really be doing WG work or simply shepherding the final stages of the document. In which case would rather avoid the additional f2f meeting.
13:47:16 <yeliz> +1
13:47:16 <adam> +1
13:48:07 <adam> RESOLUTION: We don't know quite how much time we will need, or what we will be doing so we will review charter extension in May
13:48:25 <adam> Topic: F2F in November.
13:48:49 <adam> jo: Poll indicated that West coast is not favourite location.
13:48:50 <jo> --> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/37584/tpac2009/results Poll on Nov F2F
13:48:55 <francois> Regrets+ SangwhanMoon
13:50:04 <adam> francois: Have responded to cross WG questionnaire with expected participants = 12, but we expect to be finished by then in which case we won't attend.
13:50:41 <jo> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: Review when to hold final F2F at same time as reviewing request for charter extension
13:50:47 <EdC> +1
13:50:50 <adam> RESOLUTION: Review when to hold final F2F at same time as reviewing request for charter extension
13:51:07 <adam> Topic: BP1.5 status.
13:51:40 <jo> --> http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=d2vmqg3_0c469pzdh&hl=en_GB Live edited document
13:51:42 <francois> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2009Apr/0004.html Minutes of editorial meeting on BP1.5
13:51:50 <adam> Kai: We had an editorial meeting and made a number of changes. Waiting final touch of word-smithing and to make document styles coherent.
13:52:57 <adam> jo: Some outstanding questions about collapsing sections or removing some sections that don't work. In this final iteration we may move things around a little, but lets see how that goes.
13:53:07 <adam> Kai: There is one more editorial session to agree on.
13:53:27 <EdC> Is it to be completed before or after the MWBP?
13:54:12 <adam> jo: MWABP and BP1.5 is asynchronous -- there is no dependency.
13:55:17 <Zakim> -Kai_Dietrich
13:55:25 <adam> Topic: BP2 status.
13:55:46 <francois> q+
13:55:52 <jo> ack f]
13:55:55 <jo> ack f
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13:57:06 <adam> adam: Haven't had chance to act on changes from F2F yet, will do so this week. We can decide based on this new draft whether we are ready to make another public draft.
13:57:14 <adam> Topic: MobileOK Scheme Status
13:57:44 <adam> jo: Having had discussion with Rigo, we are ready to make final changes to document. Jo will work on this over next couple of weeks, hopefully done by May.
13:57:54 <adam> Topic: CT Status
13:59:06 <jo> -> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/products/12 Open Issues and Actions on CT
13:59:13 <jo> s/-->/->/g
13:59:36 <jo> Issue-285?
13:59:36 <trackbot> ISSUE-285 -- Does BPWG feel it can write Best Practices on links rewriting in the CT guidelines? Or that it cannot be a best practice? -- OPEN
13:59:36 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/285
14:00:03 <jo> ACTION-925?
14:00:03 <trackbot> ACTION-925 -- François Daoust to ascertain the availability of tests that ensure that same origin policy conformance, when implemented in this way, can be tested -- due 2009-04-02 -- OPEN
14:00:03 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/925
14:00:03 <adam> jo: This issue is still open, awaiting Francois' action: 925
14:01:44 <jo> ACTION-929?
14:01:44 <trackbot> ACTION-929 -- Eduardo Casais to write an abstract for CT. -- due 2009-04-02 -- OPEN
14:01:44 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/actions/929
14:01:45 <adam> jo: Some editorial actions on me, still in progress. ACTION-929 on Eduardo.
14:02:07 <adam> EdC: Still to be done.
14:02:14 <adam> jo: The rest are probably on me.
14:03:10 <adam> francois: Two actions on me. Registration of x- headers, not blocking draft. Same origin tests is blocking.
14:03:20 <jo> ISSUE-295?
14:03:20 <trackbot> ISSUE-295 -- It is impossible to reconcile pragmatism and expediency with good practice -- OPEN
14:03:20 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/issues/295
14:03:33 <adam> jo: ISSUE-295, do we want to keep this in, in the light of continued discussions?
14:03:55 <adam> jo: We should juse close it.
14:03:59 <adam> s/juse/just
14:04:09 <SeanP> Close it.
14:04:10 <jo> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: Close ISSUE-295 as we are unable to do anything about it
14:04:22 <EdC> +1 
14:04:24 <tomhume> 0
14:04:24 <jo> +1
14:04:26 <SeanP> +1
14:05:38 <tomhume> was suggesting (frivolously)... that keeping this open as a reminder to us and others might be helpful
14:05:52 <tomhume> seeing as it's kinda core to the problems we're having
14:06:12 <adam> jo: Okay, lets leave it for now.
14:06:56 <adam> francois: Should review all the last-call comments to extract from the list the things that need editing. Need final draft before we send responses.
14:07:01 <jo> ACTION: Daoust to review last call comments on CT to see where the responses need editing
14:07:01 <trackbot> Created ACTION-956 - Review last call comments on CT to see where the responses need editing [on François Daoust - due 2009-04-14].
14:07:17 <adam> Topic: AOB
14:07:29 <jo> zakim, who is making noise?
14:07:39 <Zakim> jo, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: jo (44%)
14:07:56 <adam> jo: nothing further. until next wk.
14:07:58 <Zakim> -tomhume
14:08:00 <Zakim> -rob
14:08:01 <Zakim> -jo
14:08:01 <Zakim> -francois
14:08:02 <tomhume> bye all
14:08:02 <Zakim> -DKA
14:08:06 <Zakim> -adam
14:08:08 <Zakim> -miguel
14:08:09 <Zakim> -yeliz
14:08:13 <Zakim> -dstorey
14:08:15 <nacho> bye all... have a nice easter
14:08:16 <Zakim> -SeanP
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14:08:18 <Zakim> MWI_BPWG()9:30AM has ended
14:08:19 <Zakim> Attendees were tomhume, francois, +1.207.881.aaaa, DKA, adam, jo, Kai_Dietrich, dstorey, yeliz, +98439aabb, miguel, rob, SeanP
14:08:39 <francois> RRSAgent, draft minutes
14:08:39 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/04/07-bpwg-minutes.html francois
14:09:23 <francois> Present+ miguel, rob, SeanP
14:10:00 <nacho> hi, françois... i was also here, although only on IRC and a bit late... 
14:11:03 <francois> Present+ nacho_on_IRC
14:11:17 <francois> RRSAgent, draft minutes
14:11:17 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/04/07-bpwg-minutes.html francois
14:12:32 <francois> RRSAgent, bye
14:12:32 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2009/04/07-bpwg-actions.rdf :
14:12:32 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Daoust to review last call comments on CT to see where the responses need editing [1]
14:12:32 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/04/07-bpwg-irc#T14-07-01
14:12:34 <francois> zakim, bye
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