IRC log of er on 2009-04-01

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RRSAgent, make logs public
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Zakim, this will be 3794
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ok, trackbot; I see WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM scheduled to start now
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Meeting: Evaluation and Repair Tools Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 01 April 2009
12:31:51 [shadi]
zakim, call shadi-617
12:31:51 [Zakim]
ok, shadi; the call is being made
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12:32:41 [shadi]
zakim, who is on the phone?
12:32:41 [Zakim]
WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has not yet started, shadi
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On IRC I see squillace, Zakim, RRSAgent, JohannesK, shadi, trackbot
12:32:57 [shadi]
zakim, this is ert
12:32:57 [Zakim]
ok, shadi; that matches WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM
12:33:30 [shadi]
regrets: CarlosV
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+CarlosI
12:35:58 [shadi]
scribe: Johannes
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scribenick: JohannesK
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present: Mike, Shadi, Johannes, CarlosI
12:36:49 [shadi]
agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2009Mar/0028.html
12:37:02 [shadi]
agenda+ EARL 1.0 Schema
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agenda+ Next and future meetings
12:37:44 [shadi]
zakim, take up agendum 1
12:37:44 [Zakim]
agendum 1. "EARL 1.0 Schema" taken up [from shadi]
12:37:59 [shadi]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2009Mar/0025
12:42:11 [JohannesK]
MS: there are still some typos in the EARL draft
12:42:38 [JohannesK]
MS: assertedBy property: do we have to add foaf:Agent, etc. to the property's range?
12:42:43 [JohannesK]
SAZ: no
12:43:28 [JohannesK]
no substantial comments on the current draft
12:44:48 [JohannesK]
SAZ: each object of earl:assertedBy is an earl:Assertor, it may also be something else
12:45:52 [JohannesK]
SAZ: please look at RDF schema and the issue list; we are required to process every comment
12:47:40 [JohannesK]
SAZ: Mike, please fix all typos; and record editorial changes -> note
12:49:11 [JohannesK]
SAZ: others, in case of found typos, please send mail to Mike or SAZ
12:50:44 [JohannesK]
SAZ: in our documents we have values, e.g. earl:Passed is sub-class of earl:Outcome
12:50:55 [JohannesK]
s/Outcome/OutcomeValue
12:51:41 [JohannesK]
SAZ: so you can further sub-class them, e.g. NearlyPassed subClassOf earl:CannotTell
12:52:25 [JohannesK]
SAZ: what happens when someone creates an instance of type earl:Passed and give it a different meaning?
12:54:03 [JohannesK]
SAZ: 1. possibility: leave as it is; 2.: change back to instances; 3.: create a parallel instance for each class
12:55:39 [shadi]
JK: shouldn't do #2 because it restricts
12:55:59 [shadi]
JK: #3 sounds good but may be too much
12:57:12 [shadi]
JK: if we create earl:passed, it does not have the type earl:OutcomeValue
12:57:59 [JohannesK]
s/passed/Passed
12:58:10 [shadi]
earl:passed instanceOf earl:Pass
12:58:23 [shadi]
earl:Pass subClassOf earl:OutcomeValue
13:00:26 [shadi]
JK: should ask Ivan if worth the effort
13:00:47 [shadi]
JK: for HTTP-in-RDF, it does not make sense to create a class for status code 404
13:01:06 [shadi]
...maybe for "Redirect" or "Error" but not for individual status codes
13:05:39 [JohannesK]
MS: a difference between status codes and outcome values is: status codes are predefined with specific meaning, whereas outcome values may be sub-classed to create more specific values
13:05:54 [JohannesK]
MS: not sure into which class modes fall
13:10:27 [JohannesK]
MS: perhaps test mode is more like status code than outcome value
13:11:10 [JohannesK]
so change back to instances
13:13:27 [shadi]
[Proposal: add instances to each subclass of earl:OutcomeValue; change subclasses of earl:TestMode to instances; change HTTP-in-RDF status code groups to subclasses of status; keep HTTP-in-RDF status codes as instances (of the status code group classes)]
13:17:17 [shadi]
RESOLUTION: Shadi check with Ivan on dual class and instance approach; everyone review schema.rdf and known issues list; Johannes do changes to HTTP-in-RDF per the above proposal; Mike take and editorial pass on the EARL 1.0 Schema spec
13:18:28 [shadi]
zakim, take up next
13:18:28 [Zakim]
agendum 2. "Next and future meetings" taken up [from shadi]
13:20:37 [JohannesK]
SAZ: next meeting April 8th 2009
13:20:53 [JohannesK]
SAZ: chaired by Mike
13:21:43 [JohannesK]
SAZ: CI, please record comments to pointers draft
13:22:11 [JohannesK]
CI: think they are only editorial; I'll do necessary changes
13:24:17 [JohannesK]
SAZ: put pointers draft on agenda for 15th or 22nd
13:24:26 [Zakim]
- +1.512.286.aaaa
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-cvelasco
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-Shadi
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-CarlosI
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WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has ended
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Attendees were cvelasco, Shadi, +1.512.286.aaaa, CarlosI
13:26:01 [shadi]
trackbot, end meeting
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Zakim, list attendees
13:26:01 [Zakim]
sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
13:26:02 [trackbot]
RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/04/01-er-minutes.html trackbot
13:26:03 [trackbot]
RRSAgent, bye
13:26:03 [RRSAgent]
I see no action items