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12:31:16 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 3794
12:31:16 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM scheduled to start now
12:31:17 <trackbot> Meeting: Evaluation and Repair Tools Working Group Teleconference
12:31:17 <trackbot> Date: 01 April 2009
12:31:51 <shadi> zakim, call shadi-617
12:31:51 <Zakim> ok, shadi; the call is being made
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12:32:41 <shadi> zakim, who is on the phone?
12:32:41 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has not yet started, shadi
12:32:43 <Zakim> On IRC I see squillace, Zakim, RRSAgent, JohannesK, shadi, trackbot
12:32:57 <shadi> zakim, this is ert
12:32:57 <Zakim> ok, shadi; that matches WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM
12:33:30 <shadi> regrets: CarlosV
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12:35:23 <Zakim> +CarlosI
12:35:58 <shadi> scribe: Johannes
12:36:04 <shadi> scribenick: JohannesK
12:36:27 <shadi> present: Mike, Shadi, Johannes, CarlosI
12:36:49 <shadi> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2009Mar/0028.html
12:37:02 <shadi> agenda+ EARL 1.0 Schema
12:37:26 <shadi> agenda+ Next and future meetings
12:37:44 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 1
12:37:44 <Zakim> agendum 1. "EARL 1.0 Schema" taken up [from shadi]
12:37:59 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2009Mar/0025
12:42:11 <JohannesK> MS: there are still some typos in the EARL draft
12:42:38 <JohannesK> MS: assertedBy property: do we have to add foaf:Agent, etc. to the property's range?
12:42:43 <JohannesK> SAZ: no
12:43:28 <JohannesK> no substantial comments on the current draft
12:44:48 <JohannesK> SAZ: each object of earl:assertedBy is an earl:Assertor, it may also be something else
12:45:52 <JohannesK> SAZ: please look at RDF schema and the issue list; we are required to process every comment
12:47:40 <JohannesK> SAZ: Mike, please fix all typos; and record editorial changes -> note
12:49:11 <JohannesK> SAZ: others, in case of found typos, please send mail to Mike or SAZ
12:50:44 <JohannesK> SAZ: in our documents we have values, e.g. earl:Passed is sub-class of earl:Outcome
12:50:55 <JohannesK> s/Outcome/OutcomeValue
12:51:41 <JohannesK> SAZ: so you can further sub-class them, e.g. NearlyPassed subClassOf earl:CannotTell
12:52:25 <JohannesK> SAZ: what happens when someone creates an instance of type earl:Passed and give it a different meaning?
12:54:03 <JohannesK> SAZ: 1. possibility: leave as it is; 2.: change back to instances; 3.: create a parallel instance for each class
12:55:39 <shadi> JK: shouldn't do #2 because it restricts
12:55:59 <shadi> JK: #3 sounds good but may be too much
12:57:12 <shadi> JK: if we create earl:passed, it does not have the type earl:OutcomeValue
12:57:59 <JohannesK> s/passed/Passed
12:58:10 <shadi> earl:passed instanceOf earl:Pass
12:58:23 <shadi> earl:Pass subClassOf earl:OutcomeValue
13:00:26 <shadi> JK: should ask Ivan if worth the effort
13:00:47 <shadi> JK: for HTTP-in-RDF, it does not make sense to create a class for status code 404
13:01:06 <shadi> ...maybe for "Redirect" or "Error" but not for individual status codes
13:05:39 <JohannesK> MS: a difference between status codes and outcome values is: status codes are predefined with specific meaning, whereas outcome values may be sub-classed to create more specific values
13:05:54 <JohannesK> MS: not sure into which class modes fall
13:10:27 <JohannesK> MS: perhaps test mode is more like status code than outcome value
13:11:10 <JohannesK> so change back to instances
13:13:27 <shadi> [Proposal: add instances to each subclass of earl:OutcomeValue; change subclasses of earl:TestMode to instances; change HTTP-in-RDF status code groups to subclasses of status; keep HTTP-in-RDF status codes as instances (of the status code group classes)]
13:17:17 <shadi> RESOLUTION: Shadi check with Ivan on dual class and instance approach; everyone review schema.rdf and known issues list; Johannes do changes to HTTP-in-RDF per the above proposal; Mike take and editorial pass on the EARL 1.0 Schema spec
13:18:28 <shadi> zakim, take up next
13:18:28 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Next and future meetings" taken up [from shadi]
13:20:37 <JohannesK> SAZ: next meeting April 8th 2009
13:20:53 <JohannesK> SAZ: chaired by Mike
13:21:43 <JohannesK> SAZ: CI, please record comments to pointers draft
13:22:11 <JohannesK> CI: think they are only editorial; I'll do necessary changes
13:24:17 <JohannesK> SAZ: put pointers draft on agenda for 15th or 22nd
13:24:26 <Zakim> - +1.512.286.aaaa
13:24:29 <Zakim> -cvelasco
13:24:31 <Zakim> -Shadi
13:24:35 <Zakim> -CarlosI
13:24:36 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has ended
13:24:37 <Zakim> Attendees were cvelasco, Shadi, +1.512.286.aaaa, CarlosI
13:26:01 <shadi> trackbot, end meeting
13:26:01 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
13:26:01 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
13:26:02 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
13:26:02 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/04/01-er-minutes.html trackbot
13:26:03 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
13:26:03 <RRSAgent> I see no action items