IRC log of er on 2009-04-01

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Zakim, this will be 3794

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ok, trackbot; I see WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM scheduled to start now

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Meeting: Evaluation and Repair Tools Working Group Teleconference

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Date: 01 April 2009

12:31:51 [shadi]

zakim, call shadi-617

12:31:51 [Zakim]

ok, shadi; the call is being made

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12:32:41 [shadi]

zakim, who is on the phone?

12:32:41 [Zakim]

WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has not yet started, shadi

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On IRC I see squillace, Zakim, RRSAgent, JohannesK, shadi, trackbot

12:32:57 [shadi]

zakim, this is ert

12:32:57 [Zakim]

ok, shadi; that matches WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM

12:33:30 [shadi]

regrets: CarlosV

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+CarlosI

12:35:58 [shadi]

scribe: Johannes

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scribenick: JohannesK

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present: Mike, Shadi, Johannes, CarlosI

12:36:49 [shadi]

agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2009Mar/0028.html

12:37:02 [shadi]

agenda+ EARL 1.0 Schema

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agenda+ Next and future meetings

12:37:44 [shadi]

zakim, take up agendum 1

12:37:44 [Zakim]

agendum 1. "EARL 1.0 Schema" taken up [from shadi]

12:37:59 [shadi]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2009Mar/0025

12:42:11 [JohannesK]

MS: there are still some typos in the EARL draft

12:42:38 [JohannesK]

MS: assertedBy property: do we have to add foaf:Agent, etc. to the property's range?

12:42:43 [JohannesK]

SAZ: no

12:43:28 [JohannesK]

no substantial comments on the current draft

12:44:48 [JohannesK]

SAZ: each object of earl:assertedBy is an earl:Assertor, it may also be something else

12:45:52 [JohannesK]

SAZ: please look at RDF schema and the issue list; we are required to process every comment

12:47:40 [JohannesK]

SAZ: Mike, please fix all typos; and record editorial changes -> note

12:49:11 [JohannesK]

SAZ: others, in case of found typos, please send mail to Mike or SAZ

12:50:44 [JohannesK]

SAZ: in our documents we have values, e.g. earl:Passed is sub-class of earl:Outcome

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s/Outcome/OutcomeValue

12:51:41 [JohannesK]

SAZ: so you can further sub-class them, e.g. NearlyPassed subClassOf earl:CannotTell

12:52:25 [JohannesK]

SAZ: what happens when someone creates an instance of type earl:Passed and give it a different meaning?

12:54:03 [JohannesK]

SAZ: 1. possibility: leave as it is; 2.: change back to instances; 3.: create a parallel instance for each class

12:55:39 [shadi]

JK: shouldn't do #2 because it restricts

12:55:59 [shadi]

JK: #3 sounds good but may be too much

12:57:12 [shadi]

JK: if we create earl:passed, it does not have the type earl:OutcomeValue

12:57:59 [JohannesK]

s/passed/Passed

12:58:10 [shadi]

earl:passed instanceOf earl:Pass

12:58:23 [shadi]

earl:Pass subClassOf earl:OutcomeValue

13:00:26 [shadi]

JK: should ask Ivan if worth the effort

13:00:47 [shadi]

JK: for HTTP-in-RDF, it does not make sense to create a class for status code 404

13:01:06 [shadi]

...maybe for "Redirect" or "Error" but not for individual status codes

13:05:39 [JohannesK]

MS: a difference between status codes and outcome values is: status codes are predefined with specific meaning, whereas outcome values may be sub-classed to create more specific values

13:05:54 [JohannesK]

MS: not sure into which class modes fall

13:10:27 [JohannesK]

MS: perhaps test mode is more like status code than outcome value

13:11:10 [JohannesK]

so change back to instances

13:13:27 [shadi]

[Proposal: add instances to each subclass of earl:OutcomeValue; change subclasses of earl:TestMode to instances; change HTTP-in-RDF status code groups to subclasses of status; keep HTTP-in-RDF status codes as instances (of the status code group classes)]

13:17:17 [shadi]

RESOLUTION: Shadi check with Ivan on dual class and instance approach; everyone review schema.rdf and known issues list; Johannes do changes to HTTP-in-RDF per the above proposal; Mike take and editorial pass on the EARL 1.0 Schema spec

13:18:28 [shadi]

zakim, take up next

13:18:28 [Zakim]

agendum 2. "Next and future meetings" taken up [from shadi]

13:20:37 [JohannesK]

SAZ: next meeting April 8th 2009

13:20:53 [JohannesK]

SAZ: chaired by Mike

13:21:43 [JohannesK]

SAZ: CI, please record comments to pointers draft

13:22:11 [JohannesK]

CI: think they are only editorial; I'll do necessary changes

13:24:17 [JohannesK]

SAZ: put pointers draft on agenda for 15th or 22nd

13:24:26 [Zakim]

- +1.512.286.aaaa

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-cvelasco

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-Shadi

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-CarlosI

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WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has ended

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Attendees were cvelasco, Shadi, +1.512.286.aaaa, CarlosI

13:26:01 [shadi]

trackbot, end meeting

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Zakim, list attendees

13:26:01 [Zakim]

sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is

13:26:02 [trackbot]

RRSAgent, please draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/04/01-er-minutes.html trackbot

13:26:03 [trackbot]

RRSAgent, bye

13:26:03 [RRSAgent]

I see no action items