IRC log of mediaann on 2009-03-31

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logging to http://www.w3.org/2009/03/31-mediaann-irc
11:58:52 [joakim]
chair: Joakim
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Scribe: Pierre-Antoine
11:59:08 [Zakim]
+wbailer
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+veroniqueM
11:59:54 [joakim]
Meeting: MAWG
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12:00:19 [joakim]
Regrets: Chris, Felix
12:00:32 [Zakim]
+ +46.1.07.17.aaaa
12:00:38 [Zakim]
+wonsuk
12:00:42 [Zakim]
+??P3
12:01:03 [Zakim]
+pchampin
12:01:18 [tobias]
Zakim, ??P1 is me
12:01:18 [Zakim]
I already had ??P1 as wbailer, tobias
12:02:43 [joakim]
http://www.w3.org/2009/03/24-mediaann-minutes.html
12:02:48 [pchampin]
zakim, scribe: pchampin
12:02:48 [Zakim]
I don't understand 'scribe: pchampin', pchampin
12:03:00 [pchampin]
scribe: pchampin
12:03:16 [pchampin]
topic: minutes approval
12:03:50 [pchampin]
minutes approved
12:04:10 [pchampin]
joachim: last meeting before F2F
12:04:21 [daniel]
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12:04:45 [joakim]
who is shepazu please?
12:05:41 [joakim]
http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/open
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topic: action items
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+??P7
12:08:02 [pchampin]
about action 54: Véronique will submit the UC to the list within next week
12:08:13 [tobias]
Zakim, ??P0 is me
12:08:13 [Zakim]
+tobias; got it
12:09:37 [pchampin]
... if this is of interest to the WG
12:10:02 [pchampin]
joachim: think it is interesting (lifecycle)
12:11:13 [pchampin]
about action 94: should be re-assigned to Joachim
12:11:23 [pchampin]
close action 95
12:11:56 [pchampin]
close Action-95
12:11:57 [trackbot]
ACTION-95 Invite david to the phone conference closed
12:12:25 [pchampin]
close Action-96
12:12:25 [trackbot]
ACTION-96 Update the Media Ontology 1.0 draft closed
12:12:45 [pchampin]
Joachim: sent the Media Ontology draft to the mailing list
12:12:49 [pchampin]
close Action-97
12:12:49 [trackbot]
ACTION-97 Send a mail to ask if people would like to see QT and iTunes to be included in the short list of formats closed
12:14:01 [pchampin]
about action 98: Thierry sent a mail to the list, some people (Véronique, Felix) replied
12:14:26 [pchampin]
... so if nobody else had comment, we can consider there is a consensus
12:14:34 [pchampin]
close Action-98
12:14:34 [trackbot]
ACTION-98 Ask the group for consensus on publishing the new version of the requirements draft closed
12:15:09 [joakim]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Mar/0111.html
12:15:29 [daniel]
ACTION ITEM 94 is changed to Joakim http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/94
12:15:29 [trackbot]
Sorry, couldn't find user - ITEM
12:16:13 [pchampin]
topic: Updating of UC&Req documents
12:17:42 [raphael_]
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Véronique: asking for approval on the mailing list will reach more people than asking at the F2F
12:18:25 [joakim]
+1 for remove the mobile uc
12:18:36 [VeroniqueM]
+1
12:18:38 [wonsuk]
+1
12:18:42 [wbailer]
+1
12:18:46 [Zakim]
+raphael
12:18:58 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/03/31-mediaann-minutes.html raphael
12:19:53 [pchampin]
Véronique: how is the media ontology relevant to the "User generated metadata"?
12:21:16 [raphael]
Present: veronique, pierre antoine, joakim, raphael, tobias, werner, wonsuk, hui, felix, daniel
12:22:54 [pchampin]
pchampin: anything in user-generated metadata which fit in the media-ontology will benefit users from the point of view of interoperability
12:23:28 [pchampin]
topic: mapping table
12:23:36 [joakim]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Mar/0047.html
12:24:53 [pchampin]
Joakim: mail from Felix, we have to agree on the table before publishing
12:25:00 [raphael]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Mar/0062.html
12:25:12 [pchampin]
raphael: this has been solved, (see URL above)
12:25:40 [fsasaki]
felix (reading IRC) agrees with raphael
12:25:54 [pchampin]
... provided the appropriate warning about the status of this table, it is ok to publish it
12:26:44 [pchampin]
joakim: Thierry did the conversion from XLS to HTML. Who will do that now?
12:27:23 [pchampin]
Wonsuk: will try
12:27:25 [joakim]
http://dev.w3.org/2008/video/mediaann/mediaont-req/mediaont-req.html
12:28:54 [joakim]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Mar/0043.html
12:29:24 [raphael]
q+
12:29:32 [pchampin]
topic: reviewing the mapping table
12:29:35 [raphael]
zakim, ack me
12:29:35 [Zakim]
I see no one on the speaker queue
12:29:42 [pchampin]
some challengers and version numbers are still missing
12:29:59 [pchampin]
raphael: I put my name on the table, but I don't know where to start
12:30:37 [pchampin]
... what kind of assessment should we provide?
12:32:15 [pchampin]
... should we provide it on the mailing list or in the wiki?
12:32:42 [pchampin]
Joakim: a lot of mapping, so on the Wiki seems better
12:33:23 [pchampin]
tobias: directly in the mapping table would be more convenient
12:34:37 [pchampin]
joakim: will add columns in the stylesheet after F2F
12:35:21 [pchampin]
How could we find missing challengers?
12:35:26 [raphael]
could we put an action on Joakim to update the link of the sources on which we will assess the mappings ?
12:36:03 [pchampin]
daniel: should contact everyone that could be a challenger
12:36:15 [raphael]
when this action is due ?
12:36:25 [raphael]
no dates for *my* actions, means no work :-(
12:39:59 [pchampin]
publication of the media ontology due to 28-04-2009
12:40:56 [pchampin]
mapping reviews due to 14-04-2009 (before F2F)
12:41:01 [raphael]
thanks
12:41:33 [raphael]
you can't asign an action to ALL for the tracker at least
12:42:35 [pchampin]
topic: toy implementation
12:42:48 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/03/31-mediaann-minutes.html raphael
12:43:47 [pchampin]
Véronique: our proposal is not an implementation per se, rather a modelling based on SKOS that could back an implementation
12:45:37 [raphael]
zakim, ??P7 is daniel
12:45:37 [Zakim]
+daniel; got it
12:46:36 [pchampin]
daniel: required guidelines from people having done a toy implementation
12:46:52 [pchampin]
joakim: what was the main goal of toy implementations?
12:47:10 [raphael]
I think the toy implementations are meant to help designing both the ontology and the API
12:47:45 [raphael]
pchampin: toy implementation to help seing which annotation properties will be used, help for selection
12:48:00 [pchampin]
pchampin: and to validate which parts of the ontology and the API would *actually* be implemented
12:48:15 [VeroniqueM]
and they are about using the ontology too, in my opinion, right?
12:48:24 [pchampin]
joakim: the findings of implementors should probably be reported back to the mailing list
12:50:13 [pchampin]
daniel: no feedback from volunteers except Véronique and Tobias, so we should double check with the other volunteers
12:50:59 [pchampin]
action: daniel to send an e-mail to volunteer implementors to request feedback
12:50:59 [trackbot]
Sorry, couldn't find user - daniel
12:52:15 [raphael]
trackbot, status?
12:52:43 [raphael]
ACTION: Soohong Daniel to send an e-mail to volunteer implementors to request feedback
12:52:43 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-99 - Daniel to send an e-mail to volunteer implementors to request feedback [on Soohong Daniel Park - due 2009-04-07].
12:53:22 [raphael]
q+ to ask what's the output from Vero/Tobias, re: implementation
12:54:22 [raphael]
zakim, ack me
12:54:22 [Zakim]
raphael, you wanted to ask what's the output from Vero/Tobias, re: implementation
12:54:24 [Zakim]
I see no one on the speaker queue
12:54:27 [raphael]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Mar/0122.html
12:54:41 [pchampin]
pchampin: was expecting feedback on my implementation about the design decisions from the other people
12:56:18 [tobias]
this is the email which initiated the thread: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Mar/0067.html
12:56:48 [pchampin]
raphael: 2 ways of solving the problems about syntactical issue
12:59:12 [pchampin]
raphael: either focusing at the semantic level (e.g. firstName subPropertyOf name), or at the syntactical level (e.g. provide mechanisms to transform the values)
12:59:30 [Zakim]
+Shepazu
13:00:59 [shepazu]
apologies... I had the telcon scheduled for an hour later
13:01:13 [pchampin]
raphael: the purpose of the mapping should be only at the semantic level
13:01:31 [pchampin]
... managing the syntactical discrepancies in the API is not too hard
13:02:44 [pchampin]
joakim: somebody should take the responsibility to collect experience from the implentors
13:03:15 [pchampin]
pchampin: not sure of the form this collected experience should take, but I can try
13:04:09 [pchampin]
raphael: is there an agenda for F2F?
13:04:29 [pchampin]
.. need to decide on which timeslots I will join
13:04:39 [shepazu]
q+
13:05:25 [pchampin]
action: daniel to draft an agenda for the F2F
13:05:25 [trackbot]
Sorry, couldn't find user - daniel
13:06:10 [raphael]
trackbot status
13:06:14 [raphael]
trackbot, status?
13:06:26 [pchampin]
doug: introduces himself
13:06:31 [raphael]
ACTION Soohong Daniel to draft an agenda for the F2F
13:06:31 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-100 - Daniel to draft an agenda for the F2F [on Soohong Daniel Park - due 2009-04-07].
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/03/31-mediaann-minutes.html raphael
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-veroniqueM
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-tobias
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-wbailer
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-raphael
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-??P3
13:07:35 [raphael]
adjourned
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-Shepazu
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- +46.1.07.17.aaaa
13:07:38 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/03/31-mediaann-minutes.html raphael
13:07:42 [pchampin]
RRSAgent, draft minutes
13:07:42 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/03/31-mediaann-minutes.html pchampin
13:07:49 [Zakim]
-wonsuk
13:07:51 [Zakim]
-daniel
13:08:20 [raphael]
Zakim, bye
13:08:20 [Zakim]
leaving. As of this point the attendees were wbailer, veroniqueM, +46.1.07.17.aaaa, wonsuk, pchampin, tobias, raphael, daniel, Shepazu
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Present: veronique, pierre antoine, joakim, raphael, tobias, werner, wonsuk, hui, felix, daniel
13:08:38 [pchampin]
RRSAgent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/03/31-mediaann-minutes.html pchampin
13:10:57 [raphael]
RRSAgent, bye
13:10:57 [RRSAgent]
I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2009/03/31-mediaann-actions.rdf :
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ACTION: daniel to send an e-mail to volunteer implementors to request feedback [1]
13:10:57 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/03/31-mediaann-irc#T12-50-59
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ACTION: Soohong Daniel to send an e-mail to volunteer implementors to request feedback [2]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/03/31-mediaann-irc#T12-52-43
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ACTION: daniel to draft an agenda for the F2F [3]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/03/31-mediaann-irc#T13-05-25