IRC log of sml on 2009-03-30

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zakim, this will be SML
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ok, lencharest; I see XML_SMLWG()12:30PM scheduled to start in 2 minutes
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Scribe: Len Charest
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ScribeNick: lencharest
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Meeting: SML WG teleconference
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Chair: John Arwe
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XML_SMLWG()12:30PM has now started
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zakim, [Microsoft] is me
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+lencharest; got it
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zakim, please call ht-781
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ok, ht; the call is being made
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rrsagent, make log public
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zakim, aaaa is kumar
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+kumar; got it
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zakim, who's on the phone?
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On the phone I see lencharest, Ht, Kirk, johnarwe_, kumar, Sandy
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Regrets: Ginny
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Topic: Approval of minutes from 3/23
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RESOLUTION: Minutes approved
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Topic: Action Item 210
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Henry is reviewing comments submitted by WG members
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Henry: I've made the suggested changes related to errors of fact
16:39:50 [johnarwe_] Arwe comments
16:40:03 [johnarwe_] Henry's proposal
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Henry: Comments C1-C4 are relevant to historical docs only
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... recommend that we do not make changes to historical docs
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RESOLUTION: C1-C4 will be not be applied to historical docs
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Henry: C1-C4 do not apply to current namespace docs
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RESOLUTION: C5 will not be applied to current docs
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RESOLUTION: C6 will not be applied to current docs
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RESOLUTION: C7 will not be applied to current docs
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RESOLUTION: C8 *WILL* be applied to current docs
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Henry: C9 must be applied; we cannot publish docs with broken links
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No objection from group
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RESOLUTION: C9 *WILL* be applied to current docs
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John: C10 applies to historical docs only
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RESOLUTION: C10 *will* be applied to historical docs
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John: C11 has already been implemented
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John: Should we update sml-err namespace docs to fix per C12?
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RESOLUTION: Ignore c12 and keep the existing sml-err docs as they are
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RESOLUTION: C13 *WILL* be applied to current docs
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RESOLUTION C13 *WILL* be applied to historical docs
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RESOLUTION: C13 *WILL* be applied to historical docs
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Henry: C14 is complete
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Henry: C15 is complete
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John: Propose we ignore C16
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Henry: C17 must be fixed
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Topic: Bug 6480
17:00:54 [johnarwe_] ht email
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Kumar: Source XML does in fact produce another XML doc
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... in which we need to add by hand the stylesheet ref
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Henry: Sounds good. Close the bug.
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Topic: XLink Note
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Len: We talked through proposed changes last week, but I haven't had time to update the HTML doc.
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Topic: EPR Note
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Kirk: Whither [bracketed references] inline?
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... Ginny suggests following W3 style manual.
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Kirk: See section 7.2 in the manual.
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Len: 7.2 deals with citations to specs that appear in the References section of the doc. What about hyperlinks to "terms of art"?
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Ginny: Are terms of art mentioned in the manual?
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Len: Not that I can find/
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Henry: Experience has shown that hyperlinking everything of interest makes docs hard to read
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Ginny: SML and SML-IF specs do not use brackets around terms of art.
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Len: In that case, I suggest we drop the brackets in order to be consistent with our own specs.
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John: The editors must resolve this offline.
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Topic: Rec track
17:17:45 [johnarwe_] ht's email
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Henry: I spoke to the AC and pinged the reviewer who submitted the forma lobjection
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Henry: I've proposed language in the references which should resolve the objection
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Henry: Implementors MUST support XML 4th edition, MAY support later editions
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Ginny: Sandy pointed out that the namespace is the same for 4th and 5th eds.
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Henry: Sandy found a bug. An erratum has been issued to fix that.
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nb: the bug (and erratum) are both on the xml namespaces spec
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Len: Suggest slight rewording from "it is implementation-defined which" to "it is implementation-defined which edition(s) are supported by the implementation".
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Len: That's the very last clause in both references.
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Extensible Markup Language (XML) 1.0 (Fourth Edition), T. Bray,
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J. Paoli, C. M. Sperberg-McQueen, and E. Maler, Editors. World Wide
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Web Consortium, 10 February 1998, revised 16 August 2006. This
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edition of the XML 1.0 Recommendation
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( was the one current at
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the time this document went to Candidate Recommendation. The latest
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version of XML 1.0 is available at
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Implementations may follow the edition cited or any later
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edition(s); it is implementation-defined which.
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Ginny: What's the impact of following 5th ed?
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... Will a 5th ed. XML processor be able to handle a model authored against 4th ed?
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Henry: Yes.
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RESOLUTION: Wording in references will be changed per Len's suggestion.
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XML_SMLWG()12:30PM has ended
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Attendees were lencharest, Ht, Kirk, johnarwe_, +1.425.836.aaaa, Sandy, kumar, Ginny_Smith
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate lencharest
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zakim, byte
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I don't understand 'byte', lencharest
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zakim, bye
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I see no action items