IRC log of au on 2009-03-30

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Zakim, this will be AUWG
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ok, JR; I see WAI_AUWG()3:00PM scheduled to start 59 minutes ago
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Meeting: WAI AU
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zakim, code?
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the conference code is 2894 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), jeanne
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WAI_AUWG()3:00PM has now started
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Agenda:http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2009JanMar/0068.html
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+Jeanne
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Chair: Jutta Treviranus
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+??P11
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+??P13
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zakim, ??P11 is really JuttaT
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+JuttaT; got it
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zakim, ??P13 is really JR
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+JR; got it
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+ +044208123aaaa
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+Greg_Pisocky
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zakim,+044208123aaaa is really AnnM
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+AnnM; got it
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Scribe: AnnM
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Topic: Finish (hopefully) the glossary review:
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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2009JanMar/att-0063/ATAG2_Glossary_Review__Rev12_.doc
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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2009JanMar/0064.html
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Topic: Prominence
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prominence
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A heuristic measure of how likely users are to notice items (E.G. single
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controls, groups of controls, text messages) in a user interface that
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they are operating. Prominence is affected by numerous factors,
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including: the number of navigation steps required, the reading order
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position, visual properties (e.g., size, spacing, color), and even the
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modality of use (e.g., mouse vs. keyboard use). For purposes of
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conformance to ATAG 2.0, item A is considered to be *at least as
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prominent* as item B if:
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* (a) both items occur in the same item container (e.g., menu for menu
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items, list for list items, dialog box for text boxes)
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* (b) item A is highlighted if item B is highlighted.
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* (c) item A occurs higher in the reading order or immediately follows
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item B.
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+Tim_Boland
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* (b) if item B is emphasized then item A is also emphasized
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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2009JanMar/0064.html
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TB, GP: Prefer item A, item B
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(2a) Rewording B.1.1.2, B.1.1.4, B.1.1.6 for clarity:
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UNCHANGED FROM EARLIER PROPOSAL
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B.1.1.2 Author Choice of Technologies (Level A): If the authoring tool
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provides authors with Web content technology options, THEN ANY
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*ACCESSIBLE technology* (WCAG Level A) options THAT ARE SUITABLE FOR THE
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TASK ARE *AT LEAST AS PROMINENT* AS ANY OTHER TECHNOLOGY OPTIONS. (Level A)
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Action JR: Update "Technology" with "*accessible technology*" phrase
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Created ACTION-130 - Update \"Technology\" with \"*accessible technology*\" phrase [on Jan Richards - due 2009-04-06].
20:35:25 [jeanne]
action: js to update glossary with finalized definition of Prominence from the updated glossary document
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Created ACTION-131 - Update glossary with finalized definition of Prominence from the updated glossary document [on Jeanne Spellman - due 2009-04-06].
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(3) Rewording B.2.1.1, B.2.1.2, B.2.1.3:
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REWORDED TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT WIZARD-STYLE PROMPTING ETC. - REMOVED
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"PROMINENCE" CLAUSE
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B.2.1.1 Guide Accessible (Level A): If THE AUTHORING TOOL AUTOMATICALLY
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PROMPTS AUTHORS FOR any information as content is being added or updated
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(e.g., by an image modification dialog), then AUTOMATIC PROMPTS ARE ALSO
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INCLUDED for any accessibility information required for that content to
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meet WCAG Level A (Level A).
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Action: jeanne to incorporate proposal into document
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Created ACTION-132 - Incorporate proposal into document [on Jeanne Spellman - due 2009-04-06].
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No objections
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(4) Rewording B.2.5.3:
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UNCHANGED FROM EARLIER PROPOSAL
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B.2.5.3 Template Selection Mechanism: If authors are provided with a
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action: JS to update B.2.1.1 - 3 as from the minutes of 20090330
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Created ACTION-133 - Update B.2.1.1 - 3 as from the minutes of 20090330 [on Jeanne Spellman - due 2009-04-06].
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template selection mechanism, then (Level A):
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(a) the selection mechanism indicates the accessibility status of
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templates (if known), AND
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(b) any accessible template options ARE *AT LEAST AS PROMINENT* AS other
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TEMPLATE options.
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(5) Rewording B.2.5.7:
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UNCHANGED FROM EARLIER PROPOSAL
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B.2.5.7 Pre-Authored Content Selection Mechanism: If authors are
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provided with a selection mechanism for pre-authored content other than
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no objections to proposal for B.2.5.3
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templates (e.g., clip art gallery, widget repository, design themes),
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then (Level AA):
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(a) the selection mechanism indicates the accessibility status of the
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pre-authored content (if known), AND
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(b) any accessible options ARE *AT LEAST AS PROMINENT* AS other
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PRE-AUTHORED CONTENT options.
20:39:30 [AnnM]
no objections to proposal for B.2.5.7
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(6) Rewording the rationale of B.3.1:
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"IS" added
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Guideline B.3.1 Rationale: When authors are learning a new authoring
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tool, they may find and learn to use the first authoring action they
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encounter that achieves their intended outcome. Since they may be
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unaware of the issue of accessibility, it IS preferable that accessible
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content be an additional unintended outcome, rather than inaccessible
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content.
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(7) Rewording B.3.1.1:
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no objections to proposal for B.3.1
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UNCHANGED FROM EARLIER PROPOSAL
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B.3.1.1 Accessible Options Prominent: If authors are provided with
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multiple options for an authoring task, options that will result in
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content conforming to *WCAG* Level A ARE *AT LEAST AS PROMINENT* AS
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OPTIONS THAT WILL NOT. (Level A)
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-JR
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darn
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calling bacxk in'
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+??P1
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---
20:41:33 [AnnM]
no objections to proposal for B.3.1.1
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(8) Minor edit to B.3.3.4:
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UNCHANGED FROM EARLIER PROPOSAL
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B.3.3.4 At Least as Prominent: Accessible content support features are
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*at least as prominent* [DEL] as comparable features related to other
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types of Web content problems (e.g., invalid markup, syntax errors,
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spelling and grammar errors). (Level AA)
20:42:20 [AnnM]
no objections to proposal for B.3.3.4
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-Tim_Boland
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no objections to new prominence defn with "emphasized" rewording
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Action All: Be prepared to discuss Anna's comments (incl. making proposals)
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Sorry, couldn't find user - All
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Topic: ARIA review
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Reminder that we want to collect ARIA comment ideas on the next call (April 6)
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GP: Tentative offer of Adobe's Washington DC location
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-??P1
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-Greg_Pisocky
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rrsagent, create minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/03/30-au-minutes.html AnnM
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-JuttaT
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thanks!
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RRSAgent, set logs public
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Zakim, bye
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leaving. As of this point the attendees were Jeanne, JuttaT, JR, Greg_Pisocky, AnnM, Tim_Boland
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RRSAgent, bye
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I see 5 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2009/03/30-au-actions.rdf :
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ACTION: JR to Update "Technology" with "*accessible technology*" phrase [1]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/03/30-au-irc#T20-35-18
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ACTION: js to update glossary with finalized definition of Prominence from the updated glossary document [2]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/03/30-au-irc#T20-35-25
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ACTION: jeanne to incorporate proposal into document [3]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/03/30-au-irc#T20-37-44
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ACTION: JS to update B.2.1.1 - 3 as from the minutes of 20090330 [4]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/03/30-au-irc#T20-37-57-1
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ACTION: All to Be prepared to discuss Anna's comments (incl. making proposals) [5]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/03/30-au-irc#T20-45-04