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21:00:06 <aphillip> zakim, this will be I18N
21:00:06 <Zakim> ok, aphillip; I see I18N_CoreWG()5:00PM scheduled to start now
21:00:15 <aphillip> RRSAgent, set record i18n
21:00:25 <aphillip> RRSAgent, set logs world-visible
21:00:32 <David> hello addison, we seem a bit short on people
21:00:47 <aphillip> Meeting: Internationalization Core Working Group
21:00:54 <aphillip> Chair:   Addison Phillips
21:00:59 <aphillip> Scribe:  Addison Phillips
21:01:04 <aphillip> ScribeNick: aphillip
21:01:22 <aphillip> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2009JanMar/0320.html
21:01:27 <aphillip> RRSAgent, make minutes
21:01:27 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/03/25-core-minutes.html aphillip
21:01:54 <Zakim> I18N_CoreWG()5:00PM has now started
21:02:01 <Zakim> +aphillip
21:02:24 <aphillip> Regrets: felix
21:02:30 <Zakim> + +44.141.888.aaaa
21:04:32 <Zakim> +[Oracle]
21:04:45 <aphillip> zakim, [Oracle is DanC
21:04:45 <Zakim> +DanC; got it
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21:05:24 <r12a> zakim, dial richard please
21:05:24 <Zakim> ok, r12a; the call is being made
21:05:26 <Zakim> +Richard
21:06:47 <r12a> zakim, who's here ?
21:06:47 <Zakim> On the phone I see aphillip, David, DanC, Richard
21:06:48 <Zakim> On IRC I see dchiba, r12a, RRSAgent, Zakim, aphillip, David
21:07:05 <aphillip> zakim, DanC is dchiba
21:07:05 <Zakim> +dchiba; got it
21:07:49 <aphillip> Topic: Minutes and Agenda review
21:08:14 <aphillip> Topic: Action Items
21:08:26 <aphillip> Addison: send list of pending reviews and update review radar so we can respond to requests 
21:08:37 <aphillip> Addison: Ping CSS3 about normalization issue
21:08:47 <aphillip> Addison: supply text to WG of a suitable selectors normalization health warning 
21:08:58 <aphillip> richard: mock up changes to indexes for review 
21:08:59 <aphillip> DONE
21:09:05 <r12a> zakim, dial richard-home
21:09:05 <Zakim> ok, r12a; the call is being made
21:09:07 <Zakim> +Richard
21:09:09 <aphillip> Addison: change zakim reservation beginning in April to reflect new telecon time of 1900Z 
21:09:30 <aphillip> Addison: reply to SKOS supporting richard and addison's positions 
21:09:32 <Zakim> -Richard
21:10:00 <aphillip> Addison: sign up i18n for tpac 2009 
21:10:08 <aphillip> DONE (also the previous one)
21:10:16 <aphillip> Richard: clean up qa-lang-priorities 
21:10:22 <aphillip> DONE
21:10:30 <aphillip> Richard: make the new index live with appropriate changes to site nav and responding to issues raised 
21:10:36 <aphillip> DONE
21:10:57 <aphillip> more obscure pages need some tweaking
21:10:59 <aphillip> but otherwise done
21:11:16 <aphillip> Topic: Info Share
21:11:40 <aphillip> richard: looking like the JLTF requirements may be published fairly soon
21:11:44 <aphillip> ... might not be end of march
21:11:48 <aphillip> ... but very soon
21:12:02 <aphillip> richard: beta web site
21:12:14 <aphillip> ... have looked through it and made some suggestions
21:12:18 <aphillip> ... esp. on i18n experience
21:12:30 <aphillip> ... really like the approach, where everything is sorted into buckets
21:13:09 <r12a> http://beta.w3.org/
21:13:28 <aphillip> ... won't affect our activity page
21:14:22 <aphillip> http://beta.w3.org/standards/webdesign/i18n
21:14:52 <aphillip> richard: not expecting to change our activity level pages any time soon
21:17:11 <aphillip> ACTION: richard: provide something to fill in the new beta site page
21:17:24 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/03/25-core-minutes.html aphillip
21:17:35 <aphillip> addison: worldware
21:17:44 <aphillip> ... went to it last week
21:19:24 <aphillip> ... big recruiting presentation
21:19:28 <aphillip> ... but not a big audience
21:20:33 <aphillip> richard: thematic-network project proposal, finding partners is next
21:20:43 <aphillip> ... some people already clamoring to participate
21:20:54 <aphillip> ... looking at multilingual web landscape
21:21:01 <aphillip> ... and developing an i18n course
21:21:10 <aphillip> ... and a checker/lint tool
21:21:25 <aphillip> ... some of this is not funded directly, but partipants might help
21:21:39 <aphillip> ... try to send copy of proposal to member@
21:21:47 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/03/25-core-minutes.html aphillip
21:22:23 <aphillip> Topic: Web Addresses in HTML5, Reviewing HTML5
21:23:21 <aphillip> addison: chairs@ announcing various things with html5 and also web addressing
21:25:00 <aphillip> ... http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/chairs/2009JanMar/0187.html
21:25:38 <aphillip> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/uri/2009Mar/0011.html
21:26:01 <aphillip> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Mar/0444.html
21:26:48 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/03/25-core-minutes.html aphillip
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21:32:19 <aphillip> addison: it could be beneficial to both our needs and to their WG's public perception
21:32:26 <aphillip> ... it's a big job, tho'
21:35:34 <aphillip> (sounds of terror from wg members)
21:36:23 <aphillip> david: might be worth asking "when might be good"
21:36:46 <aphillip> ... just so there is a feeling of a level of control/care
21:38:06 <aphillip> ACTION: addison: write to html-wg and see if there is a good review milestone upcoming
21:38:14 <aphillip> Topic: Unicode Normalization in CSS Selectors, XML, HTML, and the fate of CharMod
21:38:39 <aphillip> http://www.w3.org/International/wiki/NormalizationProposal
21:39:53 <aphillip> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2009JanMar/0311.html
21:43:56 <aphillip> richard: maybe either D or C form?
21:44:07 <aphillip> ... key thing is that it isn't a K form
21:44:24 <aphillip> ... but it is a Unicode normalization form
21:44:45 <aphillip> richard: my other concern...
21:45:03 <aphillip> ... we've been talking about (e.g.) Myanmar or Khmer
21:45:16 <aphillip> ... where they use multiple diacritics that can appear in multiple order
21:45:28 <aphillip> ... those were some of the reasons why we're talking about that
21:45:36 <aphillip> ... very few non-zero combining marks in these languages
21:45:55 <aphillip> ... so actually even a problem if you normalize
21:46:11 <aphillip> ... because non-zero combiners don't reorganize
21:46:17 <aphillip> ... also may apply to indics
21:47:44 <aphillip> addison: have to deal with all these bizarro corner cases (in a document like charmodnorm???)
21:47:52 <aphillip> richard: give examples?
21:48:08 <r12a> http://localhost/rishida/scripts/uniview/
21:48:36 <r12a> http://rishida.net/scripts/uniview/?block=khmer
21:58:57 <aphillip> richard: need something to point to
21:59:38 <aphillip> addison: hence the wiki page
21:59:52 <aphillip> richard: take the charmod materials out and put it here
22:02:56 <aphillip> addison: need to crawl some subsections?
22:03:06 <aphillip> ... will try to ask Mark for a crawl
22:03:21 <aphillip> dan: look at charmod and its
22:03:42 <aphillip> ... does it help if ITS had a definition for how text is normalized
22:07:13 <aphillip> Topic: rdf:text
22:07:20 <aphillip> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/InternationalizedStringSpec
22:08:43 <aphillip> addison: need to discuss adding matching of language tags to Query or Schema?
22:08:52 <aphillip> Topic: AOB?
22:09:58 <Zakim> -aphillip
22:10:03 <Zakim> -David
22:10:04 <Zakim> -dchiba
22:10:07 <aphillip> RRSAgent, make minutes
22:10:07 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/03/25-core-minutes.html aphillip
22:10:09 <Zakim> -Richard
22:10:10 <Zakim> I18N_CoreWG()5:00PM has ended
22:10:11 <Zakim> Attendees were aphillip, +44.141.888.aaaa, David, [Oracle], Richard, dchiba
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23:32:55 <aphillip> zakim, bye
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23:33:03 <aphillip> RRSAgent, bye
23:33:03 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2009/03/25-core-actions.rdf :
23:33:03 <RRSAgent> ACTION: richard: provide something to fill in the new beta site page [1]
23:33:03 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/03/25-core-irc#T21-17-11
23:33:03 <RRSAgent> ACTION: addison: write to html-wg and see if there is a good review milestone upcoming [2]
23:33:03 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/03/25-core-irc#T21-38-06