IRC log of core on 2009-03-25
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2009/03/25-core-irc
- 21:00:06 [aphillip]
- zakim, this will be I18N
- 21:00:06 [Zakim]
- ok, aphillip; I see I18N_CoreWG()5:00PM scheduled to start now
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- RRSAgent, set record i18n
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- RRSAgent, set logs world-visible
- 21:00:32 [David]
- hello addison, we seem a bit short on people
- 21:00:47 [aphillip]
- Meeting: Internationalization Core Working Group
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- Chair: Addison Phillips
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- Scribe: Addison Phillips
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- ScribeNick: aphillip
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- Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2009JanMar/0320.html
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- RRSAgent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/03/25-core-minutes.html aphillip
- 21:01:54 [Zakim]
- I18N_CoreWG()5:00PM has now started
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- +aphillip
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- Regrets: felix
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- + +44.141.888.aaaa
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- +[Oracle]
- 21:04:45 [aphillip]
- zakim, [Oracle is DanC
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- +DanC; got it
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- zakim, dial richard please
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- ok, r12a; the call is being made
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- +Richard
- 21:06:47 [r12a]
- zakim, who's here ?
- 21:06:47 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see aphillip, David, DanC, Richard
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- On IRC I see dchiba, r12a, RRSAgent, Zakim, aphillip, David
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- zakim, DanC is dchiba
- 21:07:05 [Zakim]
- +dchiba; got it
- 21:07:49 [aphillip]
- Topic: Minutes and Agenda review
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- Topic: Action Items
- 21:08:26 [aphillip]
- Addison: send list of pending reviews and update review radar so we can respond to requests
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- Addison: Ping CSS3 about normalization issue
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- Addison: supply text to WG of a suitable selectors normalization health warning
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- richard: mock up changes to indexes for review
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- DONE
- 21:09:05 [r12a]
- zakim, dial richard-home
- 21:09:05 [Zakim]
- ok, r12a; the call is being made
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- +Richard
- 21:09:09 [aphillip]
- Addison: change zakim reservation beginning in April to reflect new telecon time of 1900Z
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- Addison: reply to SKOS supporting richard and addison's positions
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- -Richard
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- Addison: sign up i18n for tpac 2009
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- DONE (also the previous one)
- 21:10:16 [aphillip]
- Richard: clean up qa-lang-priorities
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- DONE
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- Richard: make the new index live with appropriate changes to site nav and responding to issues raised
- 21:10:36 [aphillip]
- DONE
- 21:10:57 [aphillip]
- more obscure pages need some tweaking
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- but otherwise done
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- Topic: Info Share
- 21:11:40 [aphillip]
- richard: looking like the JLTF requirements may be published fairly soon
- 21:11:44 [aphillip]
- ... might not be end of march
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- ... but very soon
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- richard: beta web site
- 21:12:14 [aphillip]
- ... have looked through it and made some suggestions
- 21:12:18 [aphillip]
- ... esp. on i18n experience
- 21:12:30 [aphillip]
- ... really like the approach, where everything is sorted into buckets
- 21:13:09 [r12a]
- http://beta.w3.org/
- 21:13:28 [aphillip]
- ... won't affect our activity page
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- http://beta.w3.org/standards/webdesign/i18n
- 21:14:52 [aphillip]
- richard: not expecting to change our activity level pages any time soon
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- ACTION: richard: provide something to fill in the new beta site page
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/03/25-core-minutes.html aphillip
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- addison: worldware
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- ... went to it last week
- 21:19:24 [aphillip]
- ... big recruiting presentation
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- ... but not a big audience
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- richard: thematic-network project proposal, finding partners is next
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- ... some people already clamoring to participate
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- ... looking at multilingual web landscape
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- ... and developing an i18n course
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- ... and a checker/lint tool
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- ... some of this is not funded directly, but partipants might help
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- ... try to send copy of proposal to member@
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/03/25-core-minutes.html aphillip
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- Topic: Web Addresses in HTML5, Reviewing HTML5
- 21:23:21 [aphillip]
- addison: chairs@ announcing various things with html5 and also web addressing
- 21:25:00 [aphillip]
- ... http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/chairs/2009JanMar/0187.html
- 21:25:38 [aphillip]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/uri/2009Mar/0011.html
- 21:26:01 [aphillip]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Mar/0444.html
- 21:26:48 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/03/25-core-minutes.html aphillip
- 21:30:38 [najib]
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- addison: it could be beneficial to both our needs and to their WG's public perception
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- ... it's a big job, tho'
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- (sounds of terror from wg members)
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- david: might be worth asking "when might be good"
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- ... just so there is a feeling of a level of control/care
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- ACTION: addison: write to html-wg and see if there is a good review milestone upcoming
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- Topic: Unicode Normalization in CSS Selectors, XML, HTML, and the fate of CharMod
- 21:38:39 [aphillip]
- http://www.w3.org/International/wiki/NormalizationProposal
- 21:39:53 [aphillip]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2009JanMar/0311.html
- 21:43:56 [aphillip]
- richard: maybe either D or C form?
- 21:44:07 [aphillip]
- ... key thing is that it isn't a K form
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- ... but it is a Unicode normalization form
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- richard: my other concern...
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- ... we've been talking about (e.g.) Myanmar or Khmer
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- ... where they use multiple diacritics that can appear in multiple order
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- ... those were some of the reasons why we're talking about that
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- ... very few non-zero combining marks in these languages
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- ... so actually even a problem if you normalize
- 21:46:11 [aphillip]
- ... because non-zero combiners don't reorganize
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- ... also may apply to indics
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- addison: have to deal with all these bizarro corner cases (in a document like charmodnorm???)
- 21:47:52 [aphillip]
- richard: give examples?
- 21:48:08 [r12a]
- http://localhost/rishida/scripts/uniview/
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- http://rishida.net/scripts/uniview/?block=khmer
- 21:58:57 [aphillip]
- richard: need something to point to
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- addison: hence the wiki page
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- richard: take the charmod materials out and put it here
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- addison: need to crawl some subsections?
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- ... will try to ask Mark for a crawl
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- dan: look at charmod and its
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- ... does it help if ITS had a definition for how text is normalized
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- Topic: rdf:text
- 22:07:20 [aphillip]
- http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/InternationalizedStringSpec
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- addison: need to discuss adding matching of language tags to Query or Schema?
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- Topic: AOB?
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- -aphillip
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- -David
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- -dchiba
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- RRSAgent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/03/25-core-minutes.html aphillip
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- -Richard
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- I18N_CoreWG()5:00PM has ended
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- Attendees were aphillip, +44.141.888.aaaa, David, [Oracle], Richard, dchiba
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- zakim, bye
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- RRSAgent, bye
- 23:33:03 [RRSAgent]
- I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2009/03/25-core-actions.rdf :
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- ACTION: richard: provide something to fill in the new beta site page [1]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/03/25-core-irc#T21-17-11
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- ACTION: addison: write to html-wg and see if there is a good review milestone upcoming [2]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/03/25-core-irc#T21-38-06