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15:08:17 <TomB> zakim, this will be swd
15:08:17 <Zakim> ok, TomB, I see SW_SWD()11:00AM already started
15:08:20 <aliman> scribenick:aliman
15:08:23 <TomB> Meeting: SWD WG
15:08:26 <TomB> Chair: Guus
15:08:27 <aliman> scribe:aliman
15:08:46 <TomB> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Mar/0065.html
15:08:59 <TomB> Scribenick: aliman
15:09:03 <TomB> Scribe: Alistair
15:09:14 <aliman> TOPIC: ADMIN
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15:09:18 <TomB> rrsagent, please make record public
15:09:39 <aliman> guus: PROPOSED to accept minutes of last telcon  http://www.w3.org/2009/03/10-swd-minutes.html
15:09:45 <aliman> (no objections)
15:09:55 <aliman> RESOLVED to accept minutes of last telcon http://www.w3.org/2009/03/10-swd-minutes.html
15:10:09 <aliman> guus: next telcon 7 April
15:10:19 <aliman> ... regrets from ralph
15:10:25 <aliman> TOPIC: SKOS
15:10:25 <TomB> Previous: http://www.w3.org/2009/03/10-swd-minutes.html
15:10:34 <TomB> Regrets: Ralph
15:10:37 <aliman> guus: congrats for CR status
15:10:52 <aliman> ACTION [DONE]: Ralph include in the Call for Implementation prose on"feedback on 
15:10:53 <aliman> implementations of SKOS Editors and Checkers"[recorded 
15:10:55 <aliman> inhttp://www.w3.org/2009/02/10-swd-minutes.html#action07]
15:11:12 <aliman> ACTION: Ralph include in the Call for Implementation prose on"feedback on implementations of SKOS Editors and Checkers"[recorded inhttp://www.w3.org/2009/02/10-swd-minutes.html#action07]
15:11:18 <aliman> --done
15:11:32 <aliman> guus: mailing lists need to be notified of CR
15:11:56 <aliman> ACTION: alistair to distributed call for implementations for SKOS to relevant mailing lists
15:12:15 <aliman> guus: should contain request for skos checkers and vocabularies
15:12:21 <aliman> alistair: format for responses?
15:12:27 <aliman> guus: format proposed by sean
15:12:36 <aliman> antoine: wiki page somewhere
15:12:46 <Antoine> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/SKOSImplementationReport 
15:14:13 <berrueta> zakim, jsmanrique is me
15:14:17 <Zakim> +berrueta; got it
15:14:25 <TomB> zakim, aabb is TomB
15:14:25 <Zakim> +TomB; got it
15:14:27 <Antoine> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/SKOSImplementationReport?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=SKOSImplementation.html
15:15:39 <aliman> guus: no format there for vocabularies
15:15:48 <aliman> aliman: only reader, writer, checker
15:16:11 <aliman> guus: come back to this after discuss implementation report
15:16:14 <TomB> zakim, ??P53 is Guus
15:16:14 <Zakim> +Guus; got it
15:16:52 <aliman> ACTION: Antoine to ammend the labels and other annotations in skos rdf in consultation w/ sean [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/03/10-swd-minutes.html#action03]
15:16:54 <aliman> --done
15:16:59 <Antoine> zakim, aaaa is me
15:16:59 <Zakim> +Antoine; got it
15:17:02 <Antoine> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Mar/0012.html
15:17:39 <aliman> antoine: some discussion on labeling policy, but can just continues discussing, anyway it is published as CR so may get feedback in coming weeks
15:17:53 <aliman> guus: what are issues?
15:18:29 <aliman> antoine: i changed a lot of labels (rdfs:label) and tried to put some verbs and prepositions, e.g. broader is now "has broader concept"...
15:19:44 <TomB> I can scribe!
15:19:55 <TomB> scribenick: berrueta
15:20:14 <berrueta> Guus: suggest to continue discussion on the list
15:20:35 <berrueta> Antoine: other issues still remaning
15:20:56 <berrueta> ... firstly, owl2 actions. Got some feedback from I. Herman
15:21:04 <berrueta> ... continue discussion on the list
15:22:10 <aliman> antoine: [previous] ...done for all object properties, because ambiguous in direction, but not done for all properties because literal properties less 
15:22:12 <berrueta> ... anyone has comments on the owl2 issue? (none)
15:22:15 <aliman> scribenick:aliman
15:22:30 <aliman> antoine: contributors to first schema: nikki rogers and dave beckett
15:23:10 <aliman> ...wonder if still ok to be mentioned, found it weird, must have been involved in first version but now file has changed, but danbri mailed them asking, nikki is happy with it, no news from dave, also will be settled in next weeks
15:23:50 <aliman> guus: isn't dan brickley also contributor? others are also contributors? in that sense very icomplete list
15:24:01 <aliman> .. either cut it out or make it complete.
15:24:14 <aliman> antoine: could make it complete, add 20 names
15:24:39 <aliman> guus: ok, then we make it complete
15:24:50 <aliman> antoine: i think it would be less than 20 names, make it easier
15:25:07 <aliman> alistair: just include from this WG, or previous WG?
15:25:21 <aliman> guus: hard to be complete, don't know who contributed what
15:25:51 <aliman> ..can we put in URIs, SWAD-Europe, SWBPD, SWD, three contributing groups
15:26:10 <aliman> alistair: also public-esw-thes@w3.org list are contributors
15:26:34 <aliman> guus: can contributors be links?
15:26:55 <aliman> antoine: yes, tom made comment that in current schema they are literals, not really best practice, tom can you confirm?
15:27:27 <Guus> suggest to include links to SWAD-Europe, SWBPD, SWD and plublic-swd as dc:contributor
15:28:03 <aliman> guus: let's keep this open
15:28:09 <aliman> ...any more about ontology file?
15:28:15 <aliman> antoine: that's everything
15:28:42 <aliman> guus: any outstanding actions for SKOS Primer?
15:29:16 <aliman> antoine: two comments since published, one about comments in turtle code (ivan h), one from alistair on sparql queries, propose to add as editorial changes in next version, ok?
15:29:35 <aliman> guus: as long as trivial editorial changes, error corrections, then it is fine. just keep the change history.
15:29:44 <aliman> guus: leave use cases.
15:30:12 <aliman> guus: SKOS Implementation report
15:30:14 <aliman> ...we have text from sean on tools, do we also want text on vocabularies? or just ask for uri on vocabulary?
15:30:28 <aliman> guus: need a structure?
15:30:45 <aliman> guus: alistair, could you draft text for call, i'm happy to comment.
15:31:01 <aliman> ...also earlier link from our site, but description maybe too complex.
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15:31:28 <aliman> ...we can ask for a listing of the constructs they use, but don't ask too many questions, shouldn't be any real burden to submit.
15:31:42 <aliman> ACTION: alistair to write draft message call for implementations and issue to the list
15:31:47 <Zakim> +[LC]
15:32:17 <ed> zakim, LC is edsu
15:32:18 <Zakim> +edsu; got it
15:33:15 <aliman> antoine: looking at call for use cases format. i opened text for call for use cases we issued 2 years ago, look at what we asked for vocab descriptions at the time, some items useful but basic, e.g. title, general characteristics, languages. then other things, like ways it is used, main constructs...
15:33:23 <aliman> guus: use this for inspiration
15:33:34 <aliman> antoine: 3 first items, then asking about constructs used
15:33:40 <aliman> alistair: sounds good
15:34:09 <aliman> guus: suggest leave implementation report. alistair if you can distribute message, we can distribute before next telcon.
15:34:18 <aliman> ...only thing holding us up.
15:34:32 <aliman> alistair: deadline for responses?
15:34:35 <aliman> guus: 15 april
15:34:58 <aliman> ACTION: Antoine add the Vrieje Uni tool to the implementation report [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/02/24-swd-minutes.html#action08]
15:35:00 <aliman> --continues
15:35:32 <aliman> guus: agrovoc, include in implementation report
15:35:45 <aliman> ... SKOS community after SWD, leave for now. 
15:36:00 <aliman> guus: main web page
15:36:09 <aliman> antoine: main web page?
15:36:15 <aliman> guus: no, wikipedia page
15:36:26 <aliman> ...two things to do now?
15:37:08 <aliman> antoine: maybe first briefing about main page, i've actually explored it last week, did a number of updates, in principle should be ok, new CR documents are mentioned, i also cleaned some links to the old version, no refer to new version.
15:37:17 <aliman> ...alistair could check that? 
15:37:25 <aliman> alistair: thanks for that
15:37:28 <aliman> guus: looks good
15:37:44 <aliman> guus: just leaves wikipedia page...
15:37:58 <aliman> antoine: i cannot do anything for that, in next days or weeks
15:38:33 <aliman> antoine: alistair, you did something?
15:38:44 <aliman> alistair: yes, then updated by bernard vatant i think
15:38:56 <aliman> guus: needs to be reorganised
15:39:01 <aliman> alistair: quite out of data
15:39:18 <aliman> guus: ok if we use text from our current documents here? some text, not everything of course
15:39:21 <Antoine> s/data/date
15:39:46 <aliman> guus: leave for now, links in agenda
15:39:58 <aliman> TOPIC: RDFa
15:40:04 <aliman> guus: nobody here
15:40:16 <aliman> ACTION: Ben review RDFa Use Cases and propose transition to Group Note [recorded  in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/30-swd-minutes.html#action02]
15:40:20 <aliman> --continues
15:40:27 <aliman> TOPIC: RECIPES
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15:41:52 <aliman> diego: there is a small error in the current note, problem is user agent is taking precendence over accept header. so agents are served with html even if requesting rdf. not a very serious problem, because users don't change accept header of browsers, but maybe a problem in future if user installs plugins for browsers e.g. tabulator ...
15:42:14 <aliman> ...so it's worth fixing.
15:42:56 <aliman> ...i would appreciate a second opinion on my proposal, i think it's correct but i'm not sure.
15:43:08 <aliman> antoine: personally i was happy with what you did, solved my specific problem.
15:43:11 <Zakim> +??P1
15:43:16 <seanb> zakim, ??P1 is me
15:43:16 <Zakim> +seanb; got it
15:43:23 <aliman> diego: new editors' draft for review by WG?
15:43:41 <aliman> guus: you propose a new version of the note?
15:43:47 <aliman> diego: yes, right step
15:43:54 <aliman> guus: we can supersede previous note
15:44:06 <aliman> diego: i will update current draft to new one, then send to mailing list for review
15:44:24 <aliman> guus: please update the change history, we can just review the change, and vote on it either next time or 21 april
15:44:27 <aliman> diego: ok
15:45:01 <aliman> ...btw i check this morning, check accept header by IE8, just released this week, still sends same accept header as previous versions */*, accept anything.
15:45:22 <aliman> ACTION: diego to prepare new version of recipes note
15:46:10 <aliman> ACTION: Ralph to review the revised Recipes draft [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/12/02-swd-minutes.html#action15]
15:46:15 <aliman> --continues
15:46:27 <aliman> ACTION: Ralph/Diego to work on Wordnet implementation [of Recipes implementations] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action20]
15:46:30 <aliman> --continues
15:46:48 <aliman> guus: btw, w3c wordnet implementation is one of central pieces in LOD cloud, one of few vocabularies in there currently
15:47:04 <aliman> TOPIC: RDFa METADATA NOTE
15:47:12 <aliman> ACTION: Ralph post his comments on the editor's draft of the metadata note [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/25-swd-minutes.html#action03]
15:47:15 <aliman> --continues
15:47:22 <aliman> TOPIC: AOB
15:47:29 <aliman> -- OWL Last Call
15:47:41 <aliman> guus: ian horrocks replied to our last call comments, link in agenda
15:47:57 <ed> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Mar/0058.html
15:48:26 <aliman> ...basically they agree with our comments, are preparing one new document (overview), want to include also in syntax document other syntaxes.
15:49:17 <aliman> ...they ask us to respond to this, understood in coordination group there will be new last call for owl anyway, normally i would ask for us to see revised documents, but we will have an opportinuty anyway. so i propose we respond positively, with a remark we would like to see revised documents.
15:49:42 <aliman> ...they have new features document which currently doesn't contain rdf syntax, i don't think they want to do this, i would be in favour to do this also.
15:49:47 <aliman> +1
15:50:02 <aliman> alistair: sounds like a good idea
15:50:19 <aliman> guus: important we respond positively, they are making effort to address our remarks.
15:50:35 <aliman> antoine: no objection from me
15:50:37 <aliman> sean: no
15:51:15 <aliman> ACTION: guus to respond to ian with thanks for addressing comments, happy to see revised documents, would favour new features document also to include rdf syntax
15:51:31 <aliman> s/respond/draft response/
15:52:19 <aliman> guus: sean, we already discussed implementation report, alistair will draft a message, also with indications on how we expect people to respond on skos vocabularies, have feedback on list first, then send out to all mailing lists we used for previous notifications.
15:52:33 <aliman> ...antoine has suggested we draw on previous call for use cases.
15:52:43 <aliman> ...congrats for CR spec.
15:52:49 <aliman> sean: congrats to all 
15:53:32 <aliman> guus: if we meet in two weeks, have to think of good way to distribute last piece of work, getting implementation report tables filled out, and alistair will be able to send out message.
15:53:37 <aliman> sean: regrets for 7 april
15:53:53 <aliman> guus: next time back at normal time for europeans
15:54:17 <Zakim> -edsu
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15:54:32 <aliman> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
15:54:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/03/24-swd-minutes.html aliman
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15:54:46 <Zakim> Attendees were bmotik, +31.20.420.aaaa, +1.703.698.aabb, berrueta, TomB, Guus, Antoine, edsu, seanb
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