IRC log of mediaann on 2009-03-24
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2009/03/24-mediaann-irc
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- meeting: MAWG
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- chair: thierry
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- scribe: chris
- 12:03:29 [fsasaki]
- agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Mar/0104.html
- 12:03:40 [joakim]
- zakim, this is mawg
- 12:03:40 [Zakim]
- joakim, this was already IA_MAWG()8:00AM
- 12:03:41 [Zakim]
- ok, joakim; that matches IA_MAWG()8:00AM
- 12:04:13 [joakim]
- chair: Thierry
- 12:04:25 [tmichel]
- regrets: Werner,Jean Pierre
- 12:04:29 [joakim]
- scribe: Chris
- 12:05:07 [chris]
- topic: Agenda review and approval of previous minutes
- 12:05:52 [tmichel]
- http://www.w3.org/2009/03/17-mediaann-minutes.html
- 12:06:09 [chris]
- minutes are approved
- 12:06:18 [chris]
- topic: Selection of scribe for next meeting
- 12:06:36 [chris]
- volunteer for scribbing?
- 12:06:43 [pchampin]
- I can do it
- 12:06:55 [chris]
- Pierr will scribe
- 12:07:17 [chris]
- topic: Schedule for the next call (2009. 03. 31)
- 12:07:29 [chris]
- normal schedule for non-US people
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- starting next week
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- topic: Action items
- 12:08:12 [chris]
- http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/open
- 12:08:40 [chris]
- ACTION 43?
- 12:08:40 [trackbot]
- Sorry, bad ACTION syntax
- 12:09:29 [chris]
- thierry will take over action 43
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- ACTION 47 still pending
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- ACTION 54 still pending
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- ACTION 80?
- 12:10:35 [chris]
- joakim: follow-up on mailing list, can be closed
- 12:10:50 [chris]
- close ACTION-80
- 12:10:50 [trackbot]
- ACTION-80 With Felix to read http://www.adobe.com/devnet/xmp/pdfs/DynamicMediaXMPPartnerGuide.pdf and use it to see how XMP is actually used closed
- 12:11:24 [chris]
- close ACTION-93
- 12:11:24 [trackbot]
- ACTION-93 Work on the Ontology Draft to include the mapping table, conforming to pubrules. closed
- 12:11:25 [veroniqueM]
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- ACTION 94
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- Thierry: discussed with Doug
- 12:12:41 [chris]
- Thierry: going to investigate the relation between the specification and our API
- 12:13:30 [chris]
- Thierry: ACTION is ongoing
- 12:13:44 [chris]
- topic: Publishing the Mapping Table
- 12:14:22 [Zakim]
- +veroniqueM
- 12:14:34 [chris]
- Thierry: David Singer sent mail on one-way or two-way directions of the mappings
- 12:14:51 [chris]
- Thierry: how to follow-up?
- 12:15:25 [chris]
- Thierry: would be good to have more participation of David on Apple formats and mappings
- 12:15:25 [tmichel]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Mar/0084.html
- 12:15:40 [tmichel]
- any reaction to David's email ?
- 12:16:11 [chris]
- Thierry: is there interest for two-way mapping?
- 12:16:52 [chris]
- Joakim: two-way mapping might be difficult to use generally
- 12:17:07 [chris]
- Joakim: each format should have specific threatment
- 12:17:32 [tmichel]
- zakim, who is noisy ?
- 12:17:46 [Zakim]
- tmichel, listening for 13 seconds I heard sound from the following: Thierry (95%), +46.1.07.17.aabb (7%)
- 12:17:50 [chris]
- Joakim: postpone to next phone conference
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- 12:18:19 [chris]
- Action: thierry to invite david to the phone conference
- 12:18:19 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-95 - Invite david to the phone conference [on Thierry Michel - due 2009-03-31].
- 12:18:33 [chris]
- topic: Media Ontology 1.0 draft : included the the Mapping Table
- 12:18:35 [pchampin]
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- 12:19:42 [chris]
- Tobias: sent mail on removing comments
- 12:20:01 [chris]
- Thierry: agrees, first version of the document needs additional iterations
- 12:20:02 [tmichel]
- http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/drafts/ontology10/
- 12:20:24 [chris]
- Thierry: any other remarks?
- 12:20:58 [chris]
- Felix: likes the result
- 12:21:27 [chris]
- Felix: included Raphael's comments on the mapping table
- 12:21:49 [fsasaki]
- s/Felix: included /thierry included /
- 12:23:03 [veroniqueM]
- the table looks good, but why is the mapping with Dublin Core not written as a separate column? This is so from the start, but is there any rationale behind it?
- 12:23:20 [chris]
- Thierry used OpenOffice for conversion of exel to HTML
- 12:23:39 [chris]
- Joakim: formula need to be removed in the excell file
- 12:25:47 [chris]
- Thierry prefers one HTML page to ease navigation
- 12:26:16 [chris]
- ACTION: Joakim to update the Media Ontology 1.0 draft
- 12:26:16 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-96 - Update the Media Ontology 1.0 draft [on Joakim Söderberg - due 2009-03-31].
- 12:27:00 [chris]
- Joakim will take care of the comments of Tobias
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- Thierry: any other remarks on the table?
- 12:28:39 [chris]
- veronique: why are the Dublin Core properties inserted
- 12:28:48 [chris]
- Joakim: they are included in XMP spec
- 12:29:02 [chris]
- topic: Results of questionnaire of mapping formats
- 12:30:00 [chris]
- Thierry: implementation will be a strong criteria for deciding upon formats
- 12:31:02 [chris]
- Silvia suggested to make new questionnaire
- 12:31:22 [chris]
- Thierry: this questionnaire is an indication on relevant formats
- 12:31:32 [chris]
- Thierry: so no additional questionnaire is needed
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- Thierry: comments?
- 12:32:44 [chris]
- another questionnaire would give about the same output
- 12:33:12 [pchampin]
- +1
- 12:33:18 [chris]
- veronique: questionnaire about adding the 2 additional formats
- 12:34:06 [chris]
- Thierry: who thinks the questionnaire is good enough?
- 12:34:12 [chris]
- +1
- 12:34:40 [chris]
- do we need a questionnaire to decide on the 2 additional formats (qt, itunes)?
- 12:34:47 [veroniqueM]
- +1 to PA
- 12:34:51 [hui]
- +1
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- Thierry: what question should be asked in a new questionnaire?
- 12:37:26 [chris]
- veronique: just ask peopl on the list if QT and iTunes should be added
- 12:37:31 [chris]
- +1
- 12:38:19 [chris]
- Thierry: would you like to see QT and iTunes to be included in the short list of formats
- 12:38:22 [fsasaki]
- +1
- 12:38:55 [tmichel]
- David: do you want to discuss the "two-way mapping" topic?
- 12:39:02 [chris]
- ACTION: Thierry to send a mail to ask if people would like to see QT and iTunes to be included in the short list of formats
- 12:39:03 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-97 - Send a mail to ask if people would like to see QT and iTunes to be included in the short list of formats [on Thierry Michel - due 2009-03-31].
- 12:39:35 [chris]
- topic: Call for reviewers on mapping formats
- 12:39:55 [chris]
- Thierry: still missing some reviewers
- 12:40:15 [chris]
- Thierry: so far only 12 reviewers and not all formats are covered
- 12:41:04 [chris]
- http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/wiki/Format_mapping_review
- 12:41:32 [chris]
- Veronique: if nobody is interested to review a format leave it as is
- 12:41:45 [chris]
- Veronique: we will get feedback by the rest of the community
- 12:42:06 [chris]
- Thierry: by next F2F the reviewers should have a reviewing list
- 12:42:20 [joakim]
- +1
- 12:42:43 [chris]
- ACTION: All reviewers to review the two formats before the Face-to-face meeting
- 12:42:43 [trackbot]
- Sorry, couldn't find user - All
- 12:43:37 [chris]
- Thierry: editors should include the version of their formats
- 12:44:08 [chris]
- Thierry: editors should mention it in the wiki
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- topic:Example of property mapping using semantic technologies
- 12:45:49 [chris]
- Thierry: there was discussion about xmp:creatortool and dc:creator
- 12:46:05 [chris]
- Veronique: usage of SKOS allows to say that properties are related
- 12:47:00 [chris]
- Thierry: everybody agrees with the mapping?
- 12:47:35 [chris]
- topic: Edits of the requirements document
- 12:48:14 [chris]
- Felix: included received comments
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- Felix: update by Veronique on cultural heritage was also included
- 12:49:06 [chris]
- Thierry: any other updates needed?
- 12:49:24 [chris]
- Felix: no further comments received
- 12:50:04 [chris]
- Thierry will ask if everybody agrees with the current status of the requirements document
- 12:50:27 [chris]
- ACTION: Thierry to ask the group for consensus on publishing the new version of the requirements draft
- 12:50:28 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-98 - Ask the group for consensus on publishing the new version of the requirements draft [on Thierry Michel - due 2009-03-31].
- 12:50:49 [chris]
- Thierry: when do we plan publication of the first public draft of the ontology
- 12:51:00 [chris]
- Thierry suggests the end of april
- 12:51:05 [fsasaki]
- +1
- 12:51:06 [chris]
- +1
- 12:51:20 [chris]
- Thierry: mapping table will be discussed at the F2F-meeting
- 12:51:40 [chris]
- Joakim: schedule a publication date
- 12:52:26 [chris]
- Thierry: monday 27th of April?
- 12:52:59 [chris]
- Thierry: 28th of April
- 12:54:44 [chris]
- Thierry: XSLT will be applied on XML file to get HTML
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- Thierry: mapping table created as conversion of excel to html
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- topic: toy implementation
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- Thierry: comments?
- 12:56:08 [chris]
- Thierry: comments on the proposal of Veronique and Tobias
- 12:56:40 [chris]
- Veronique: implementation consists of SKOS mapping between rdf-versions of XMP and DC
- 12:57:22 [Zakim]
- -felix
- 12:57:33 [chris]
- how will this be used for an operable implementation
- 12:58:09 [chris]
- Veronique: not sure how this mapping would be implemented
- 12:58:47 [chris]
- Zakim, who's talking?
- 12:59:03 [Zakim]
- chris, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: tobias (10%)
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- 12:59:34 [fsasaki_]
- sorry, I just dropped off and have to go, but a question to tmichel: could you reserve a zakim bridge for the f2f? many thanks!
- 12:59:42 [fsasaki_]
- s/off /off the phone/
- 13:01:14 [chris]
- Wonsuk: how to map properties with different syntactic nature
- 13:01:51 [chris]
- Wonsuk: for example XMP:author consisting of name and first name compared with the dc:author which is a string
- 13:02:01 [tobias]
- Now I understand; we had this discussion weeks ago. But it stopped or we postponed it.
- 13:02:17 [chris]
- this was the problem of return values right?
- 13:02:28 [tobias]
- I guess, yes.
- 13:02:40 [chris]
- Wonsuk: It would be nice to have example on this problem in the mapping implementation
- 13:03:47 [chris]
- Veronique: sent a new version of the mappings with more SKOS relations
- 13:04:37 [chris]
- Wonsuk: add a description to the ontology defining/restricting the values of a property
- 13:05:24 [chris]
- Joakim: relates to the problem of flat vs hierarchically structured properties
- 13:06:11 [tobias]
- I have no solution also for this at the moment. People developed mapping templates for ontologies to deal with that.
- 13:06:54 [tobias]
- with SKOS we might not be able to handle these cases.
- 13:07:32 [chris]
- deal with this on the F2F meeting
- 13:07:53 [chris]
- Joakim: yes, should be discussed, hopefully a solution is found
- 13:07:59 [chris]
- +1
- 13:08:37 [chris]
- Veronique: we need examples of the problems
- 13:09:01 [chris]
- such examples should be part of the output of the f2f-meeting imo
- 13:09:26 [veroniqueM]
- they can be discussed on the list later too, I think
- 13:10:06 [tmichel]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
- 13:10:06 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/03/24-mediaann-minutes.html tmichel
- 13:10:38 [tmichel]
- rrsagent, bye
- 13:10:38 [RRSAgent]
- I see 5 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2009/03/24-mediaann-actions.rdf :
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- ACTION: thierry to invite david to the phone conference [1]
- 13:10:38 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/03/24-mediaann-irc#T12-18-19
- 13:10:38 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Joakim to update the Media Ontology 1.0 draft [2]
- 13:10:38 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/03/24-mediaann-irc#T12-26-16
- 13:10:38 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Thierry to send a mail to ask if people would like to see QT and iTunes to be included in the short list of formats [3]
- 13:10:38 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/03/24-mediaann-irc#T12-39-02
- 13:10:38 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: All reviewers to review the two formats before the Face-to-face meeting [4]
- 13:10:38 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/03/24-mediaann-irc#T12-42-43
- 13:10:38 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Thierry to ask the group for consensus on publishing the new version of the requirements draft [5]
- 13:10:38 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/03/24-mediaann-irc#T12-50-27
- 13:10:38 [chris]
- bye
- 13:10:41 [Zakim]
- -hui
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- -veroniqueM
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- -tobias
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- -pchampin
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- -Thierry
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- - +46.1.07.17.aabb
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