IRC log of mediaann on 2009-03-24

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meeting: MAWG
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chair: thierry
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scribe: chris
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12:03:40 [joakim]
zakim, this is mawg
12:03:40 [Zakim]
joakim, this was already IA_MAWG()8:00AM
12:03:41 [Zakim]
ok, joakim; that matches IA_MAWG()8:00AM
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chair: Thierry
12:04:25 [tmichel]
regrets: Werner,Jean Pierre
12:04:29 [joakim]
scribe: Chris
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topic: Agenda review and approval of previous minutes
12:05:52 [tmichel]
12:06:09 [chris]
minutes are approved
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topic: Selection of scribe for next meeting
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volunteer for scribbing?
12:06:43 [pchampin]
I can do it
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Pierr will scribe
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topic: Schedule for the next call (2009. 03. 31)
12:07:29 [chris]
normal schedule for non-US people
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starting next week
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topic: Action items
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12:08:40 [trackbot]
Sorry, bad ACTION syntax
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thierry will take over action 43
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ACTION 47 still pending
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ACTION 54 still pending
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12:10:35 [chris]
joakim: follow-up on mailing list, can be closed
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close ACTION-80
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ACTION-80 With Felix to read and use it to see how XMP is actually used closed
12:11:24 [chris]
close ACTION-93
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ACTION-93 Work on the Ontology Draft to include the mapping table, conforming to pubrules. closed
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Thierry: discussed with Doug
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Thierry: going to investigate the relation between the specification and our API
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Thierry: ACTION is ongoing
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topic: Publishing the Mapping Table
12:14:22 [Zakim]
12:14:34 [chris]
Thierry: David Singer sent mail on one-way or two-way directions of the mappings
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Thierry: how to follow-up?
12:15:25 [chris]
Thierry: would be good to have more participation of David on Apple formats and mappings
12:15:25 [tmichel]
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any reaction to David's email ?
12:16:11 [chris]
Thierry: is there interest for two-way mapping?
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Joakim: two-way mapping might be difficult to use generally
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Joakim: each format should have specific threatment
12:17:32 [tmichel]
zakim, who is noisy ?
12:17:46 [Zakim]
tmichel, listening for 13 seconds I heard sound from the following: Thierry (95%), + (7%)
12:17:50 [chris]
Joakim: postpone to next phone conference
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Action: thierry to invite david to the phone conference
12:18:19 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-95 - Invite david to the phone conference [on Thierry Michel - due 2009-03-31].
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topic: Media Ontology 1.0 draft : included the the Mapping Table
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Tobias: sent mail on removing comments
12:20:01 [chris]
Thierry: agrees, first version of the document needs additional iterations
12:20:02 [tmichel]
12:20:24 [chris]
Thierry: any other remarks?
12:20:58 [chris]
Felix: likes the result
12:21:27 [chris]
Felix: included Raphael's comments on the mapping table
12:21:49 [fsasaki]
s/Felix: included /thierry included /
12:23:03 [veroniqueM]
the table looks good, but why is the mapping with Dublin Core not written as a separate column? This is so from the start, but is there any rationale behind it?
12:23:20 [chris]
Thierry used OpenOffice for conversion of exel to HTML
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Joakim: formula need to be removed in the excell file
12:25:47 [chris]
Thierry prefers one HTML page to ease navigation
12:26:16 [chris]
ACTION: Joakim to update the Media Ontology 1.0 draft
12:26:16 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-96 - Update the Media Ontology 1.0 draft [on Joakim Söderberg - due 2009-03-31].
12:27:00 [chris]
Joakim will take care of the comments of Tobias
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Thierry: any other remarks on the table?
12:28:39 [chris]
veronique: why are the Dublin Core properties inserted
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Joakim: they are included in XMP spec
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topic: Results of questionnaire of mapping formats
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Thierry: implementation will be a strong criteria for deciding upon formats
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Silvia suggested to make new questionnaire
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Thierry: this questionnaire is an indication on relevant formats
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Thierry: so no additional questionnaire is needed
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Thierry: comments?
12:32:44 [chris]
another questionnaire would give about the same output
12:33:12 [pchampin]
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veronique: questionnaire about adding the 2 additional formats
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Thierry: who thinks the questionnaire is good enough?
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12:34:40 [chris]
do we need a questionnaire to decide on the 2 additional formats (qt, itunes)?
12:34:47 [veroniqueM]
+1 to PA
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Thierry: what question should be asked in a new questionnaire?
12:37:26 [chris]
veronique: just ask peopl on the list if QT and iTunes should be added
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12:38:19 [chris]
Thierry: would you like to see QT and iTunes to be included in the short list of formats
12:38:22 [fsasaki]
12:38:55 [tmichel]
David: do you want to discuss the "two-way mapping" topic?
12:39:02 [chris]
ACTION: Thierry to send a mail to ask if people would like to see QT and iTunes to be included in the short list of formats
12:39:03 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-97 - Send a mail to ask if people would like to see QT and iTunes to be included in the short list of formats [on Thierry Michel - due 2009-03-31].
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topic: Call for reviewers on mapping formats
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Thierry: still missing some reviewers
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Thierry: so far only 12 reviewers and not all formats are covered
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Veronique: if nobody is interested to review a format leave it as is
12:41:45 [chris]
Veronique: we will get feedback by the rest of the community
12:42:06 [chris]
Thierry: by next F2F the reviewers should have a reviewing list
12:42:20 [joakim]
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ACTION: All reviewers to review the two formats before the Face-to-face meeting
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Sorry, couldn't find user - All
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Thierry: editors should include the version of their formats
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Thierry: editors should mention it in the wiki
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topic:Example of property mapping using semantic technologies
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Thierry: there was discussion about xmp:creatortool and dc:creator
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Veronique: usage of SKOS allows to say that properties are related
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Thierry: everybody agrees with the mapping?
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topic: Edits of the requirements document
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Felix: included received comments
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Felix: update by Veronique on cultural heritage was also included
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Thierry: any other updates needed?
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Felix: no further comments received
12:50:04 [chris]
Thierry will ask if everybody agrees with the current status of the requirements document
12:50:27 [chris]
ACTION: Thierry to ask the group for consensus on publishing the new version of the requirements draft
12:50:28 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-98 - Ask the group for consensus on publishing the new version of the requirements draft [on Thierry Michel - due 2009-03-31].
12:50:49 [chris]
Thierry: when do we plan publication of the first public draft of the ontology
12:51:00 [chris]
Thierry suggests the end of april
12:51:05 [fsasaki]
12:51:06 [chris]
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Thierry: mapping table will be discussed at the F2F-meeting
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Joakim: schedule a publication date
12:52:26 [chris]
Thierry: monday 27th of April?
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Thierry: 28th of April
12:54:44 [chris]
Thierry: XSLT will be applied on XML file to get HTML
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Thierry: mapping table created as conversion of excel to html
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topic: toy implementation
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Thierry: comments?
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Thierry: comments on the proposal of Veronique and Tobias
12:56:40 [chris]
Veronique: implementation consists of SKOS mapping between rdf-versions of XMP and DC
12:57:22 [Zakim]
12:57:33 [chris]
how will this be used for an operable implementation
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Veronique: not sure how this mapping would be implemented
12:58:47 [chris]
Zakim, who's talking?
12:59:03 [Zakim]
chris, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: tobias (10%)
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sorry, I just dropped off and have to go, but a question to tmichel: could you reserve a zakim bridge for the f2f? many thanks!
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s/off /off the phone/
13:01:14 [chris]
Wonsuk: how to map properties with different syntactic nature
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Wonsuk: for example XMP:author consisting of name and first name compared with the dc:author which is a string
13:02:01 [tobias]
Now I understand; we had this discussion weeks ago. But it stopped or we postponed it.
13:02:17 [chris]
this was the problem of return values right?
13:02:28 [tobias]
I guess, yes.
13:02:40 [chris]
Wonsuk: It would be nice to have example on this problem in the mapping implementation
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Veronique: sent a new version of the mappings with more SKOS relations
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Wonsuk: add a description to the ontology defining/restricting the values of a property
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Joakim: relates to the problem of flat vs hierarchically structured properties
13:06:11 [tobias]
I have no solution also for this at the moment. People developed mapping templates for ontologies to deal with that.
13:06:54 [tobias]
with SKOS we might not be able to handle these cases.
13:07:32 [chris]
deal with this on the F2F meeting
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Joakim: yes, should be discussed, hopefully a solution is found
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Veronique: we need examples of the problems
13:09:01 [chris]
such examples should be part of the output of the f2f-meeting imo
13:09:26 [veroniqueM]
they can be discussed on the list later too, I think
13:10:06 [tmichel]
rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate tmichel
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rrsagent, bye
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I see 5 open action items saved in :
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ACTION: thierry to invite david to the phone conference [1]
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ACTION: Joakim to update the Media Ontology 1.0 draft [2]
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ACTION: Thierry to send a mail to ask if people would like to see QT and iTunes to be included in the short list of formats [3]
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ACTION: All reviewers to review the two formats before the Face-to-face meeting [4]
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ACTION: Thierry to ask the group for consensus on publishing the new version of the requirements draft [5]
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