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13:29:51 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 3794
13:29:51 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_ERTWG()9:30AM scheduled to start in 1 minute
13:29:52 <trackbot> Meeting: Evaluation and Repair Tools Working Group Teleconference
13:29:52 <trackbot> Date: 18 March 2009
13:30:18 <squillace> Meeting: ERT
13:30:24 <squillace> Chair: Shadi
13:30:37 <squillace> zakim, who is on the phone?
13:30:37 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG()9:30AM has not yet started, squillace
13:30:38 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, squillace, shadi, trackbot
13:30:42 <shadi> zakim, call shadi-617
13:30:42 <Zakim> ok, shadi; the call is being made
13:31:26 <shadi> zakim, who is on phone?
13:31:26 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, shadi.
13:31:33 <shadi> zakim, who is on the phone?
13:31:33 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG()9:30AM has not yet started, shadi
13:31:34 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, squillace, shadi, trackbot
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13:32:38 <shadi> agenda+ EARL 1.0 Guide
13:32:44 <shadi> agenda+ EARL 1.0 Schema
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13:36:53 <shadi> Present: MikeS, Shadi, CarlosV, CarlosI, Johannes
13:37:18 <shadi> scribe: squillace
13:37:24 <squillace> zakim, mute me
13:37:24 <Zakim> sorry, squillace, I don't know what conference this is
13:38:05 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 1
13:38:05 <Zakim> agendum 1. "EARL 1.0 Guide" taken up [from shadi]
13:38:21 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2009Mar/0022
13:39:09 <squillace> SAZ: now that we have EARL Schema more amture and auxiary docs are coming along, time to look back at the guide
13:39:52 <squillace> MS: Published as a recommendation or tech note?
13:40:11 <squillace> SAZ: currently on rec-track
13:40:44 <squillace> ...atypical to have such guidance as a rec but has been precedent  for this (e.g. OWL Guide, RDF PRimer)
13:42:11 <squillace> CV: complementary to EARL Schema so may want same status as rec
13:42:39 <squillace> JK: how does it compare to other guides or primers?
13:44:14 <squillace> SAZ: no clear precedent; if docs together (e.g. OWL language and OWL Guide) form a coherent language, should be published in same status
13:46:08 <squillace> MS: Can we publish as tech note and move to rec later?
13:46:17 <squillace> SAZ: very difficult in W3C process to change status
13:49:11 <squillace> SAZ: should try to reuse same examples throughout documents
13:49:28 <squillace> CV: could also point to full example files
13:51:15 <squillace> SAZ: OWL Guide uses full-fledgee example with snipets throughout document pointing to the full file when encessary
13:58:58 <squillace> ...should possibly create directory in CVS for example files
13:59:10 <squillace> ...CVS access is an entirely separate issue
13:59:57 <squillace> a very nice example, btw
14:00:31 <squillace> ...the OWL Guide winery example
14:01:43 <squillace> http://www.w3.org/TR/owl-guide/
14:03:01 <squillace> SAZ: How important is the relationship to IEEE spec regarding testing? 
14:03:08 <squillace> ...how and where does EARL fit in?
14:03:15 <squillace> ...no need for detail of specification
14:05:49 <squillace> CV: IEEE spec is most generic of testing frameworks that were reviewed
14:06:53 <squillace> SAZ: didn't develop EARL specifically for IEEE process but IEEE process could be an example of a framework into which EARL fits
14:10:08 <squillace> MS: do we need the goal of "To explain the restrictions of the different EARL components." in the GUide?
14:10:23 <squillace> ...may lead to the quagmire introduced in the schema itself and there's no point in duplicating that work
14:10:32 <squillace> SAZ: agreed
14:11:35 <squillace> CV: extending and customization?
14:11:44 <squillace> SAZ: worth mentioning other documents in section 2, maybe
14:13:43 <squillace> SAZ: move section 3 introductory amterial about other vocabularies to section 2
14:14:12 <squillace> MS: +1
14:14:21 <squillace> no way!
14:18:25 <squillace> ACTION: CarlosV to have updated EARL Guide due April 8, 2009
14:18:26 <trackbot> Created ACTION-87 - Have updated EARL Guide due April 8, 2009 [on Carlos A. Velasco - due 2009-03-25].
14:19:41 <shadi> zakim, take up next
14:19:41 <Zakim> agendum 2. "EARL 1.0 Schema" taken up [from shadi]
14:19:59 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/EARL10/WD-EARL10-Schema-20090309
14:21:30 <squillace> SAZ: "should" might be too strong in "should support other RDF serializations"
14:21:52 <squillace> JK: use "may"
14:22:08 <squillace> SAZ: leave it as is and see how people react
14:26:21 <shadi> action: shadi to provide an updated EARL schema document
14:26:21 <trackbot> Created ACTION-88 - Provide an updated EARL schema document [on Shadi Abou-Zahra - due 2009-03-25].
14:27:46 <carlosI> +1 to publish
14:27:51 <squillace> SAZ: Do we wait to publish until we have schema docs ready?
14:27:56 <squillace> CI: publish
14:28:33 <squillace> MS: wait for schema
14:28:47 <squillace> SAZ: only little time to update schema
14:29:10 <shadi> agenda+ Next meeting
14:29:13 <shadi> zakim, take up next
14:29:13 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Next meeting" taken up [from shadi]
14:30:37 <squillace> no meeting Mar 25
14:30:51 <squillace> CV regrets for Apr 1
14:31:06 <squillace> next meeting on Apr 1
14:32:43 <shadi> zakim, bye
14:32:43 <Zakim> Zakim has left #er
14:33:38 <shadi> rrsagent, make minutes
14:33:38 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/03/18-er-minutes.html shadi
14:33:46 <shadi> rrsagent, make logs world
14:33:48 <shadi> rrsagent, make minutes
14:33:48 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/03/18-er-minutes.html shadi
14:33:52 <shadi> rrsagent, bye
14:33:52 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2009/03/18-er-actions.rdf :
14:33:52 <RRSAgent> ACTION: CarlosV to have updated EARL Guide due April 8, 2009 [1]
14:33:52 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/03/18-er-irc#T14-18-25
14:33:52 <RRSAgent> ACTION: shadi to provide an updated EARL schema document [2]
14:33:52 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/03/18-er-irc#T14-26-21