IRC log of er on 2009-03-18

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Zakim, this will be 3794

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ok, trackbot; I see WAI_ERTWG()9:30AM scheduled to start in 1 minute

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Meeting: Evaluation and Repair Tools Working Group Teleconference

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Date: 18 March 2009

13:30:18 [squillace]

Meeting: ERT

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Chair: Shadi

13:30:37 [squillace]

zakim, who is on the phone?

13:30:37 [Zakim]

WAI_ERTWG()9:30AM has not yet started, squillace

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On IRC I see RRSAgent, squillace, shadi, trackbot

13:30:42 [shadi]

zakim, call shadi-617

13:30:42 [Zakim]

ok, shadi; the call is being made

13:31:26 [shadi]

zakim, who is on phone?

13:31:26 [Zakim]

I don't understand your question, shadi.

13:31:33 [shadi]

zakim, who is on the phone?

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WAI_ERTWG()9:30AM has not yet started, shadi

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On IRC I see RRSAgent, squillace, shadi, trackbot

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13:32:38 [shadi]

agenda+ EARL 1.0 Guide

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agenda+ EARL 1.0 Schema

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Present: MikeS, Shadi, CarlosV, CarlosI, Johannes

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scribe: squillace

13:37:24 [squillace]

zakim, mute me

13:37:24 [Zakim]

sorry, squillace, I don't know what conference this is

13:38:05 [shadi]

zakim, take up agendum 1

13:38:05 [Zakim]

agendum 1. "EARL 1.0 Guide" taken up [from shadi]

13:38:21 [shadi]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2009Mar/0022

13:39:09 [squillace]

SAZ: now that we have EARL Schema more amture and auxiary docs are coming along, time to look back at the guide

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MS: Published as a recommendation or tech note?

13:40:11 [squillace]

SAZ: currently on rec-track

13:40:44 [squillace]

...atypical to have such guidance as a rec but has been precedent for this (e.g. OWL Guide, RDF PRimer)

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CV: complementary to EARL Schema so may want same status as rec

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JK: how does it compare to other guides or primers?

13:44:14 [squillace]

SAZ: no clear precedent; if docs together (e.g. OWL language and OWL Guide) form a coherent language, should be published in same status

13:46:08 [squillace]

MS: Can we publish as tech note and move to rec later?

13:46:17 [squillace]

SAZ: very difficult in W3C process to change status

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SAZ: should try to reuse same examples throughout documents

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CV: could also point to full example files

13:51:15 [squillace]

SAZ: OWL Guide uses full-fledgee example with snipets throughout document pointing to the full file when encessary

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...should possibly create directory in CVS for example files

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...CVS access is an entirely separate issue

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a very nice example, btw

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...the OWL Guide winery example

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http://www.w3.org/TR/owl-guide/

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SAZ: How important is the relationship to IEEE spec regarding testing?

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...how and where does EARL fit in?

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...no need for detail of specification

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CV: IEEE spec is most generic of testing frameworks that were reviewed

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SAZ: didn't develop EARL specifically for IEEE process but IEEE process could be an example of a framework into which EARL fits

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MS: do we need the goal of "To explain the restrictions of the different EARL components." in the GUide?

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...may lead to the quagmire introduced in the schema itself and there's no point in duplicating that work

14:10:32 [squillace]

SAZ: agreed

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CV: extending and customization?

14:11:44 [squillace]

SAZ: worth mentioning other documents in section 2, maybe

14:13:43 [squillace]

SAZ: move section 3 introductory amterial about other vocabularies to section 2

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MS: +1

14:14:21 [squillace]

no way!

14:18:25 [squillace]

ACTION: CarlosV to have updated EARL Guide due April 8, 2009

14:18:26 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-87 - Have updated EARL Guide due April 8, 2009 [on Carlos A. Velasco - due 2009-03-25].

14:19:41 [shadi]

zakim, take up next

14:19:41 [Zakim]

agendum 2. "EARL 1.0 Schema" taken up [from shadi]

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http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/EARL10/WD-EARL10-Schema-20090309

14:21:30 [squillace]

SAZ: "should" might be too strong in "should support other RDF serializations"

14:21:52 [squillace]

JK: use "may"

14:22:08 [squillace]

SAZ: leave it as is and see how people react

14:26:21 [shadi]

action: shadi to provide an updated EARL schema document

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Created ACTION-88 - Provide an updated EARL schema document [on Shadi Abou-Zahra - due 2009-03-25].

14:27:46 [carlosI]

+1 to publish

14:27:51 [squillace]

SAZ: Do we wait to publish until we have schema docs ready?

14:27:56 [squillace]

CI: publish

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MS: wait for schema

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SAZ: only little time to update schema

14:29:10 [shadi]

agenda+ Next meeting

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zakim, take up next

14:29:13 [Zakim]

agendum 3. "Next meeting" taken up [from shadi]

14:30:37 [squillace]

no meeting Mar 25

14:30:51 [squillace]

CV regrets for Apr 1

14:31:06 [squillace]

next meeting on Apr 1

14:32:43 [shadi]

zakim, bye

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14:33:38 [shadi]

rrsagent, make minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/03/18-er-minutes.html shadi

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rrsagent, make logs world

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rrsagent, make minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/03/18-er-minutes.html shadi

14:33:52 [shadi]

rrsagent, bye

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I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2009/03/18-er-actions.rdf :

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ACTION: CarlosV to have updated EARL Guide due April 8, 2009 [1]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/03/18-er-irc#T14-18-25

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ACTION: shadi to provide an updated EARL schema document [2]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/03/18-er-irc#T14-26-21