19:28:43 RRSAgent has joined #ws-ra 19:28:43 logging to http://www.w3.org/2009/03/17-ws-ra-irc 19:28:56 Zakim has joined #ws-ra 19:29:20 rrsagent, make logs pubic 19:29:38 hoe nobody saw that LOL 19:29:48 rrsagent, make logs public 19:30:00
  • li has joined #ws-ra 19:30:53 asir has joined #ws-ra 19:31:55 Katy has joined #ws-ra 19:32:00 Katy has left #ws-ra 19:32:14 yet another bogus government idea trying to "do good" 19:32:33 blame it on Franklin 19:32:58 meeting: WS-Resource Access WG distributed meeting 19:33:06 chair: Bob Freund 19:33:07 Katy has joined #ws-ra 19:33:24 yes, and I like franklin too - depressing 19:33:39 agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access/2009Mar/0072.html 19:33:53 Sumeet has joined #ws-ra 19:34:06 DaveS has joined #ws-ra 19:38:29 scribe: Sumeet Vij 19:38:39 scribenick: Sumeet 19:40:13 TOPIC: Go over the Agenda 19:40:38 TOPIC: Approve Minutes of F2F meeting 19:41:08 RESOLUTION: minutes of f2f last week approved without objection 19:41:45 is zakim not detecting new callers? 19:41:49 Ashok has joined #ws-ra 19:42:52 Geoff - we just really really wanted that issue :-) 19:43:11 TOPIC: Any objections in accepting new issues 19:43:40 RESOLUTION: All new issues are accepted and will be assigned to their reporters 19:43:59 Vikas has joined #ws-ra 19:44:14 TOPIC: Issue-6666 http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=6666 19:45:34 q+ 19:45:43 zakim, who is making noise? 19:45:43 sorry, Bob, I don't know what conference this is 19:46:00 zakim, this is #WS_WS-RA 19:46:00 sorry, Bob, I do not see a conference named '#WS_WS-RA' in progress or scheduled at this time 19:46:10 zakim, this is #WS-WS-RA 19:46:10 sorry, Bob, I do not see a conference named '#WS-WS-RA' in progress or scheduled at this time 19:46:15 zakim, this is WS-WS-RA 19:46:15 sorry, Bob, I do not see a conference named 'WS-WS-RA' in progress or scheduled at this time 19:46:22 zakim, this is WS_WS-RA 19:46:22 sorry, Bob, I do not see a conference named 'WS_WS-RA' in progress or scheduled at this time 19:46:40 zakim, this is ws_ws-ra 19:46:40 sorry, gpilz, I do not see a conference named 'ws_ws-ra' in progress or scheduled at this time 19:46:43 ack tru 19:46:53 http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/ra/edcopies/wsmex.html 19:47:18 Tom: asked Doug to clarify AbstractProperties 19:47:47 Zakim, this is ws-ra 19:47:47 sorry, Ashok, I do not see a conference named 'ws-ra' in progress or scheduled at this time 19:48:03 http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/ra/edcopies/wsrt.html#get 19:48:26 q+ 19:48:43 ack gp 19:49:37 this resolves 6681 19:50:17 RESOLUTION: 6666 resolved with the proposal contained in the description 19:50:44 q+ 19:50:49 Gill: Issue 6681 might be resolved with the Resolution to 6666 19:50:55 TOPIC: Issue-6681 http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=6681 19:51:42 ack dug 19:52:34 Use InfoPath style notation 19:52:42 +1 19:52:48 as in Issue-6666 19:53:17 [Body]/wse:Subscribe/wse:EndTo 19:55:12 Geoff: This looks like an issue with the "*" 19:55:15 that's my understanding as well 19:55:36 ... the idea is to expand all of the *'s with what they should be 19:55:49 what does [Body] mean? Infoset or XML Element? 19:56:07 q+ 19:56:08 its an abstract proprety 19:56:23 ack asir 19:56:34 Asir: Wants clarification on the square brackets 19:56:38 http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/ra/edcopies/wsrt.html#conven 19:57:43 Use pseudo-InfoPath style notation as in Issue-6666 19:57:45 expand all of the *'s with what they should be 19:58:41 RESOLUTION: Issue 6681 resolved by using pseudo-InfoPath style notation as in Issue-6666 19:58:54 VikasV has joined #ws-ra 19:59:28 TOPIC: Issue 6431 http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=6431 20:00:08 Wu has joined #ws-ra 20:00:34 proposal at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access/2009Mar/0081.html 20:02:00 q+ 20:02:01 Li: added clarifications for issue 6431 20:02:10 ack geoff 20:02:31 Geoff: Need more time to go over the proposal 20:03:36 Geoff:Wants clarification about Pause and Resume 20:03:53 Geoff: Is queuing part of transport or is it part of eventing? 20:04:10 q+ 20:04:23 ack wu 20:05:54 q+ 20:05:57 q+ 20:06:17 q+ 20:06:25 ack geo 20:06:51 q- 20:07:22 q+ 20:08:47 not sure we should add optional features to base spec 20:08:54 q+ 20:09:00 is it not something that should be in a higher level spec 20:09:03 Wu: pause/resume is to control event delivery, not about queue 20:09:37 we are talking about composing with other specs, this seems to be another example of that 20:09:43 Ashok: Policy might be required to determine whether the endpoint supports it or not 20:09:46 ack ashok 20:09:48 ack wu 20:10:02 zakim, this is WS_WSRA 20:10:02 ok, Bob; that matches WS_WSRA()3:30PM 20:10:45 Junior! 20:10:48 ack gp 20:11:34 +1 to that! (bob's comment) 20:12:24 Gill: Pause/Resume pertains more to queuing 20:13:45 pause/resume has two parts (a) an optimization of cancel/subscribe and (b) the idea that you have access to the Notifications that were transmitted inbetween the Pause/Resume 20:14:00 (b) starts to wander into queuing 20:14:07 (a) is premature 20:14:40 one could easily extend Subscribe/SubscribeResponse to indicate that additional Pause/Resume operations were in effect 20:15:17 Bob: Are folks proposing to clos with no action? 20:16:14 q+ 20:16:20 ack geo 20:16:34 svij has joined #ws-ra 20:16:38 q+ 20:16:49 Geoff: General sentiment is that the base level spec should be kept simple 20:16:55 q+ 20:17:24 scribenick: svij 20:18:03 Wu: Pause/Resume as an option 20:18:22 ack dug 20:18:41 :-) 20:18:55 +1 to Doug 20:19:10 Dug: Folks questioned as to need for functionality at this time or considered it a premature optimisation 20:19:10 Doug: Whether this functionality is required, maybe this could be added later in a compasable fashion 20:19:16 ack bob 20:19:22 its not about multiple specs, rather its more of a statement about whether this function is needed at this time 20:19:45 +1 to Bob about hating optionality 20:19:52 We are fine with pause/resume as optional feature or put into Appendix to clearly indicate it. 20:19:58 LOL we should remove all xs:any's :-) 20:20:12 that is extensibility... 20:20:19 vey different 20:20:22 very 20:20:28 Different nation 20:20:41 q? 20:21:01 pause/resume has its critical applications, e.g. presence services, location servies, etc. 20:21:04 Topic: Poll on this issue 20:21:22 Wu: In favor 20:22:04 We could mark it vNext 20:22:04 let's try to just answer the question that the Chair asked 20:22:08 There is a "LATER" field in bugzilla 20:22:11 Microsoft: Not in favor of adding this functionality in this spec 20:22:20 q+ 20:22:25 s/in this spec/to the base spec/ 20:22:33 ack gp 20:23:31 Nobody else in favor of adding this now 20:24:28 if wu wants to work on a part 2 we are OK with that 20:24:46 q+ 20:25:04 q+ 20:25:24 Wu: Sees advantage in Pause/Resume functionality 20:25:31 ack geo 20:26:08 ack gp 20:26:34 we do not believe that at any time it implied that functionality like p/r would be in th ebase Eventing spec 20:27:05 if some organizations really need this, they should join this WG and make their opinions known 20:27:22 s/th ebase/the base/ 20:27:28 it was always envisaged that it would be part of a higher level spec 20:27:35
  • q+ 20:27:41 ack li 20:27:53 Bob: Asked whether this is a premature decision 20:28:28 q+ 20:29:45 +marklittle 20:30:29 ack geo 20:31:03 Geoff: Is there a consensus on whether we need a Higher level specification 20:31:19 q+ 20:32:15 ack dave 20:32:24 Bob:New Specifications should not be taken lightly 20:34:10 Bob: What would be our definition of "later" mean? Effectively pushing the feature to "time indefinite" 20:34:32 Bob: Suggests we should close with no action 20:35:40 q+ 20:36:03 q- 20:36:05 ack dug 20:36:32 Bob: We should take a vote on whether we can "close with no action" 20:36:43 q+ 20:36:50 ack asir 20:37:40 Asir:Bugzilla supports certain keywords like "FutureConsideration" 20:38:00 it is "futureConsideration" 20:38:28 MSFT:abstain 20:38:41 Oracle: yes 20:38:43 Fujitsu:Yes 20:39:01 IBM:abstain 20:39:06 Avaya:No 20:39:16 SoftwareAG:abstain 20:39:21 Red Hat: Yes 20:39:56 RESOLUTION: Issue- 6431 Close with no action 20:40:29 s/FutureConsideration/futureConsideration 20:41:01 s/FutureConsideration/futureConsideration/ 20:41:31 TOPIC: Issue 6687 http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=6687 20:43:02 RESOLUTION: Resolved as described 20:45:12 proposal at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access/2009Feb/0154.html 20:45:17 TOPIC: Issue-6594 http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=6594 20:45:21 q+ 20:45:30 ack geoff 20:46:52 q+ 20:47:04 6594 is only about Transfer 20:47:40 ack dug 20:48:12 Geoff: * adds the posibility of nothing + means there is at least one 20:49:27 +1 20:49:55 q+ 20:49:56 ACTION: Dug to describe the text the covers the empty case in issue-6594 20:49:57 Created ACTION-52 - Describe the text the covers the empty case in issue-6594 [on Doug Davis - due 2009-03-24]. 20:50:20 q? 20:50:29 ack geo 20:50:59 we want to be clear that acceptance of a way forwards on this issue does not mean we accept transfer wrappers 20:51:33 TOPIC: Issue-6403 http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=6403 20:52:04 q+ 20:52:28 ack geoff 20:53:02 q+ 20:53:19 Geoff:Implications of policy implicitly defining WSDL 20:53:23 q+ 20:54:28 ack dug 20:55:13 ack tr 20:56:01 Tom ... i think we just started discussing here 20:56:27 http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=6403 20:56:31 there is a nested policy assertion 20:56:31 q+ 20:56:38 Tom:Raised a query about sub-assertions based on experience with WS-Addressing 20:56:51 q- 20:56:53 ack gp 20:56:58 q+ 20:57:10 ack geoff 20:57:38 q+ 20:58:10 ack dug 20:59:08 dug: Enumeration operations are optional 20:59:37 -??P7 21:00:13 Bob: Please make corrections/comments on the IRC/mailing list 21:00:17 -marklittle 21:00:19 - +1.408.642.aaaa 21:00:20 -[Microsoft] 21:00:21 -Wu_Chou 21:00:22 -??P2 21:00:22 -Bob_Freund 21:00:24 -Tom_Rutt 21:00:27 gpilz has left #ws-ra 21:00:31 - +1.571.262.aabb 21:00:34 - +0125660aacc 21:00:51 -Ashok_Malhotra 21:00:52 WS_WSRA()3:30PM has ended 21:00:53 Attendees were Bob_Freund, Tom_Rutt, [Microsoft], +1.408.642.aaaa, Wu_Chou, +1.571.262.aabb, +0125660aacc, Ashok_Malhotra, marklittle 21:01:14 rrsagent, generate minutes 21:01:14 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/03/17-ws-ra-minutes.html Bob 21:01:19 TRutt has left #ws-ra