IRC log of mwts on 2009-03-17

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RRSAgent, make logs public

14:51:43 [Zakim]

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Zakim, this will be MWI_TS

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I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot

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Meeting: Mobile Web Initiative Test Suites Working Group Teleconference

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Date: 17 March 2009

14:53:06 [dom]

zakim, list conferences?

14:53:06 [Zakim]

I don't understand your question, dom.

14:53:08 [dom]

zakim, list conferences

14:53:08 [Zakim]

I see IA_Team()10:00AM, SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM, T&S_XMLSEC()10:00AM, VB_VBWG()10:00AM active

14:53:11 [Zakim]

also scheduled at this time are INC_RWAB()11:00AM, SW_HCLS(COI)11:00AM, Team_(owlc)13:31Z, MWI_BPWG()9:30AM, SW_RIF()11:00AM, WS_DBWG()10:00AM, SW_SWD()11:00AM, XML_ET-TF()11:00AM

15:00:24 [dom]

zakim, list conferences

15:00:24 [Zakim]

I see IA_Team()10:00AM, SW_(SPARQL)10:00AM, XML_ET-TF()11:00AM, INC_RWAB()11:00AM, MWI_TSWG()11:00AM, T&S_XMLSEC()10:00AM, VB_VBWG()10:00AM active

15:00:26 [Zakim]

also scheduled at this time are SW_HCLS(COI)11:00AM, Team_(owlc)13:31Z, SW_RIF()11:00AM, SW_SWD()11:00AM, Team_(recruit)15:00Z

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15:00:57 [dom]

zakim, this will be mwi_ts

15:00:57 [Zakim]

ok, dom, I see MWI_TSWG()11:00AM already started

15:01:02 [dom]

zakim, who's on the call?

15:01:02 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Carmelo, ??P65

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Regrets: Wilhelm

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Chair: Dom

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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2009Mar/0013.html

15:02:53 [dom]

zakim, ??P65 is Kai

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+dom

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+??P35

15:03:24 [Zakim]

+Kai; got it

15:03:37 [dom]

zakim, ??P35 is dmitri

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Topic: Tracker and trackbot

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+dmitri; got it

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-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-mwts/2009Mar/0002.html Tracker and Trackbot

15:05:38 [dom]

Topic: Widgets testing

15:05:46 [dom]

ACTION-2?

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ACTION-2 -- Kai Hendry to continue integrating his tests WTF -- due 2009-03-17 -- OPEN

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http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/Tests/track/actions/2

15:06:07 [dom]

ACTION-2 due next week

15:06:07 [trackbot]

ACTION-2 Continue integrating his tests WTF due date now next week

15:06:21 [dom]

Kai: still trying to get it running; I'm discussing with Robert

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... no progress on the main body of tests

15:07:12 [dom]

Dom: still need help with regard to updating the test suite in CVS? cf http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2009Feb/0011.html

15:07:18 [dom]

Kai: probably still need an update

15:07:43 [dom]

... I'll send you a link to a tar file

15:07:51 [dom]

ACTION: Dom to update the widget test suites in cvs

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Created ACTION-22 - Update the widget test suites in cvs [on Dominique Hazaël-Massieux - due 2009-03-24].

15:08:47 [dom]

http://dev.w3.org/2006/waf/widgets/tests/

15:09:52 [dom]

Dom: did you make progress on your pbs wrt special characters in filesystems?

15:10:11 [dom]

Kai: I don't know what other test suites do with this - git has problems with some special characters

15:10:40 [dom]

Dom: could put only the zip file, although not ideal

15:11:05 [dom]

Kai: also wondered about case insensitivity - how many permutations should we target?

15:12:18 [dom]

Dom: suggests picking a few relevant cases

15:12:36 [dom]

... e.g. all lowercase, all upper, ext low and base upper, vice versa, and one or two more random

15:13:20 [dom]

... Any news from the WebApps WG F2F?

15:13:26 [dom]

Kai: nope; I'll look at their minutes

15:13:42 [dom]

Topic: Device independent testing guidelines

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-> http://dev.w3.org/2008/dev-ind-testing/guidelines.html Device Independence Testing guidelines

15:16:07 [dom]

ACTION: Kai to look one more time at device independent testing guidelines

15:16:07 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-23 - Look one more time at device independent testing guidelines [on Kai Hendry - due 2009-03-24].

15:16:27 [dom]

ACTION: Dom to polish the device independent testing guidelines (e.g. ref section)

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Created ACTION-24 - Polish the device independent testing guidelines (e.g. ref section) [on Dominique Hazaël-Massieux - due 2009-03-24].

15:19:48 [dom]

Kai: is color really important?

15:20:02 [dom]

Dom: think it is relevant - esp. in a larger device independent context

15:20:05 [dom]

Topic: Memory test

15:20:09 [dom]

ACTION-20?

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ACTION-20 -- Kai Hendry to improve performance of memory test -- due 2009-03-17 -- OPEN

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http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/Tests/track/actions/20

15:20:28 [dom]

ACTION-20 due in two days

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ACTION-20 improve performance of memory test due date now in two days

15:20:41 [dom]

ACTION-19?

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ACTION-19 -- Kai Hendry to add more starting points to memory test -- due 2009-03-17 -- OPEN

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http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/Tests/track/actions/19

15:20:50 [dom]

ACTION-19 due next week

15:20:51 [trackbot]

ACTION-19 add more starting points to memory test due date now next week

15:20:58 [dom]

ACTION-18?

15:20:58 [trackbot]

ACTION-18 -- Dominique Hazaël-Massieux to run the memory test on his mobile devices -- due 2009-03-17 -- OPEN

15:20:58 [trackbot]

http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/Tests/track/actions/18

15:21:11 [dom]

ACTION-18 due next week

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ACTION-18 run the memory test on his mobile devices due date now next week

15:21:17 [dom]

ACTION-16?

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ACTION-16 -- Dominique Hazaël-Massieux to set up the memory test on the W3C server -- due 2009-03-17 -- OPEN

15:21:17 [trackbot]

http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/Tests/track/actions/16

15:21:28 [dom]

ACTION-16 due next week

15:21:28 [trackbot]

ACTION-16 set up the memory test on the W3C server due date now next week

15:21:40 [dom]

Topic: Web Compatibility Test

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-> http://www.w3.org/mid/1236680855.6399.240.camel@localhost inputmode test vs jquery test

15:22:18 [dom]

Kai: it's not in HTML5

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Dom: but hTML5 is more a process than a spec at this stage

15:23:24 [dom]

... used to be there, maybe will come back now that it's being implemented in webkit?

15:24:18 [dom]

... also, is in XHTML Basic 1.1, which is a standard

15:25:16 [dom]

Kai: think JQuery has more value than inputmode test

15:27:33 [dom]

Dom: right...

15:28:33 [dom]

Dmitri: we could maybe extend it?

15:28:52 [dom]

Dom: would need to go to 20 tests to keep the grid

15:28:58 [dom]

... and then would become harder to sell

15:29:08 [dom]

RESOLVED: replace the inputmode test with the JQuery test

15:29:23 [dom]

ACTION: Dom to update WCTMB with JQuery test

15:29:24 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-25 - Update WCTMB with JQuery test [on Dominique Hazaël-Massieux - due 2009-03-24].

15:30:04 [dom]

-> http://www.w3.org/2008/06/mobile-test/presults Results of WCTMB

15:32:14 [dom]

Topic: Blog

15:32:19 [dom]

ACTION-17?

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ACTION-17 -- Wilhelm Joys Andersen to draft a post linking to his opera.com blog -- due 2009-03-17 -- OPEN

15:32:19 [trackbot]

http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/Tests/track/actions/17

15:32:31 [dom]

ACTION-17 due next week

15:32:32 [trackbot]

ACTION-17 draft a post linking to his opera.com blog due date now next week

15:32:37 [dom]

ACTION-15?

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ACTION-15 -- Dominique Hazaël-Massieux to draft a blog post on WCTMB enhancements (either as two or one posts) -- due 2009-03-17 -- OPEN

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http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/Tests/track/actions/15

15:33:46 [dom]

Topic: Geolocation test suite (ISSUE-4)

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-> http://www.w3.org/mid/1236617428.6399.210.camel@localhost Geolocation testing effort

15:34:49 [dom]

Kai: I had a quick look

15:35:09 [dom]

... the way they design their tests, I don't think they would work on many devices, e.g. pocket IE

15:35:41 [dom]

... we're also working on a testing framework in Aplix

15:36:08 [dom]

Dom: any chance it could be brought to Geolocation?

15:36:17 [dom]

Kai: once it's mature enough, probably

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15:36:41 [dom]

... There are already Google Gears Unit test

15:37:36 [dom]

Dom: any chance you could mention your framework to them?

15:37:51 [dom]

Kai: I will, as soon as I start implementing some tests

15:38:11 [dom]

ACTION: Kai to mention his geolocation testing framework to geolocation wg - due in two weeks

15:38:11 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-26 - mention his geolocation testing framework to geolocation wg [on Kai Hendry - due 1970-01-01].

15:38:16 [dom]

ACTION-26?

15:38:16 [trackbot]

ACTION-26 -- Kai Hendry to mention his geolocation testing framework to geolocation wg -- due 1970-01-01 -- OPEN

15:38:16 [trackbot]

http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/Tests/track/actions/26

15:38:32 [Carmelo]

All: Must leave the call now, see you all next week. Carmelo

15:38:39 [Zakim]

-Carmelo

15:38:59 [dom]

Topic: Agreement on test suites with OMA

15:39:04 [dom]

ACTION-21?

15:39:04 [trackbot]

ACTION-21 -- Wilhelm Joys Andersen to send Opera's feedback on OMA test suites -- due 2009-03-17 -- OPEN

15:39:04 [trackbot]

http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/Tests/track/actions/21

15:39:11 [dom]

ACTION-14?

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ACTION-14 -- Dominique Hazaël-Massieux to look back at OMA situation and report -- due 2009-03-17 -- OPEN

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http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/Tests/track/actions/14

15:39:19 [dom]

Topic: Next meeting

15:39:40 [Zakim]

-dom

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-Kai

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-dmitri

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MWI_TSWG()11:00AM has ended

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Attendees were Carmelo, dom, Kai, dmitri

15:40:18 [dom]

RRSAgent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/03/17-mwts-minutes.html dom

15:40:21 [dom]

zakim, bye

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s/<dom> ->/<dom_scribe> ->/g

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RRSAgent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/03/17-mwts-minutes.html dom