IRC log of wai-wcag on 2009-03-12
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2009/03/12-wai-wcag-irc
- 20:00:49 [Ben]
- zakim, this will be WAI_WCAG
- 20:00:49 [Zakim]
- ok, Ben, I see WAI_WCAG()3:00PM already started
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- +David_MacDonald
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- +??P10
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- zakim, ??P10 is Ben_Caldwell
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- +Ben_Caldwell; got it
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- zakim, Ben has Gregg_Vanderheiden
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- +Gregg_Vanderheiden; got it
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- - +1.443.415.aaaa
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- + +1.443.415.aacc
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- + +1.415.373.aadd
- 20:03:21 [Ben]
- Meeting: WCAG Weekly Telecon
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- Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2009JanMar/0056.html
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- zakim, +1.415.373.aadd is Sofia_Celic
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- +Sofia_Celic; got it
- 20:04:14 [Ben]
- agenda+ Policy on Third Party Techniques
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- agenda+ Miscellaneous Issues for 26 Feb 2009
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- zakim, who is on the phone?
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- On the phone I see +1.512.286.aabb, David_MacDonald, Ben_Caldwell, +1.443.415.aacc, Sofia_Celic
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- Ben_Caldwell has Gregg_Vanderheiden
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- zakim, 1.512 may be Andi_Snow_Weaver
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- sorry, Ben, I do not understand your question
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- 04 01zakim, +1.512.286.aabb may be Andi_Snow_Weaver
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- + +1.617.584.aaee
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- +Cooper
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- +??P13
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- - +1.443.415.aacc
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- zakim, ??P13 is Katie_Haritos_Shea
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- +Katie_Haritos_Shea; got it
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- zakim, +1.617.584.aaee is Andrew_Kirkpatrick
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- +Andrew_Kirkpatrick; got it
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- zakim, who is on the phone?
- 20:08:59 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see +1.512.286.aabb, David_MacDonald, Ben_Caldwell, Sofia_Celic, Andrew_Kirkpatrick, Katie_Haritos_Shea, Cooper
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- Ben_Caldwell has Gregg_Vanderheiden
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- zakim, +1.512.286.aabb is Andi_Snow_Weaver
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- +Andi_Snow_Weaver; got it
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- + +1.443.415.aaff
- 20:09:25 [Ben]
- RRSAgent, make log world
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- zakim, +1.443.415.aaff is Bruce_Bailey
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- +Bruce_Bailey; got it
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- scribe: Ben
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- GV: Deadline for WAI-ARIA Last Call is coming up, please keep in mind.
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- -Bruce_Bailey
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- agenda?
- 20:10:36 [Ben]
- zakim, take up agendum 1
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- agendum 1. "Policy on Third Party Techniques" taken up [from Ben]
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- +Bruce_Bailey
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- Topic: Policy on Third Party Techniques
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- +Alex_Li
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- round table to gather ideas and comments
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- one suggestion was to have one process for all techniques (vs. different processes for external vs. internal)
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- +Loretta_Guarino_Reid
- 20:12:24 [Ben]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2009JanMar/0027.html
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- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-gl/2009JanMar/0028.html
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- may be possible where a technique has been through a process similar to ours to "fast track" externally submitted techniques
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- current process is to solicit public review/comment on our own techniques
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- would WCAG WG help external orgs promote public review?
- 20:19:02 [Tim]
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- RRSAgent, pointer?
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- See http://www.w3.org/2009/03/12-wai-wcag-irc#T20-19-40
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- +[Microsoft]
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- +Alex_Li.a
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- zakim, [Microsoft] is Cynthia_Shelly
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- +Cynthia_Shelly; got it
- 20:23:46 [Ben]
- release call for review (from WG) for both updates to techniques and externally submitted techs.?
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- -Alex_Li.a
- 20:28:03 [Ben]
- model W3C translation process? (after work has been completed, W3C sends a 30 day notice calling for review, has already been reviewed to some degree)
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- +Tim_Boland
- 20:35:32 [Ben]
- ack Cyn
- 20:37:29 [MichaelC]
- q+ to say we lack the expertise to review external techniques like we did internal ones, which is why we need to offload the process to other organizations, and be confident in that process
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- -Bruce_Bailey
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- -Tim_Boland
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- +Gregg_Vanderheiden
- 20:43:51 [Ben]
- where WG lacks tech expertise to review, etc. working examples of code that can be tested with UA/AT would be helpful
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- ack mic
- 20:44:13 [Zakim]
- MichaelC, you wanted to say we lack the expertise to review external techniques like we did internal ones, which is why we need to offload the process to other organizations, and
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- ... be confident in that process
- 20:44:18 [MichaelC]
- ack me
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- ack syn
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- ack cyn
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- q+
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- +Bruce_Bailey
- 20:48:01 [Ben]
- ack Andi
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- ack a
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- +David_MacDonald.a
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- -Bruce_Bailey
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- +Bruce_Bailey
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- -Gregg_Vanderheiden
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- -Andi_Snow_Weaver
- 21:13:09 [Ben]
- ACTION: Loretta to revise proposal to reflect a standard process for all externally submitted techniques.
- 21:13:09 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-7 - Revise proposal to reflect a standard process for all externally submitted techniques. [on Loretta Guarino Reid - due 2009-03-19].
- 21:13:52 [Ben]
- zakim, next item
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- I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, Ben
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- q?
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- ack Cyn
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 2. "Miscellaneous Issues for 26 Feb 2009" taken up [from Ben]
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- http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20090312misc/results
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- Topic: http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20090312misc/results
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- RESOLUTION: Accept as amended
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- Topic: Providing text descriptions to identify validation errors and suggestions for correction
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- ACTION: Sofia to review examples and suggestions from survey on "Providing text descriptions..." (see http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20090312misc/results#xq2)
- 21:23:06 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-8 - Review examples and suggestions from survey on \"Providing text descriptions...\" (see http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20090312misc/results#xq2) [on Sofia Celic - due 2009-03-19].
- 21:23:21 [Ben]
- Topic: Opening new windows and tabs only when best from an accessibility perspective
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- ACTION: David to draft advisory technique, "Opening new windows and tabs only when best from an accessibility perspective"
- 21:24:01 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-9 - Draft advisory technique, \"Opening new windows and tabs only when best from an accessibility perspective\" [on David MacDonald - due 2009-03-19].
- 21:24:13 [Ben]
- Topic: Conveying form validation messages and suggestions for correction in text
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- ACTION: Alex to draft a server-side technique based on http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wcag2-techs/2008Jul/0000.html
- 21:27:22 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-10 - Draft a server-side technique based on http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wcag2-techs/2008Jul/0000.html [on Alex Li - due 2009-03-19].
- 21:28:05 [Ben]
- ACTION: Sofia to revise SCR18 test procedure to focus on client-side validation
- 21:28:06 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-11 - Revise SCR18 test procedure to focus on client-side validation [on Sofia Celic - due 2009-03-19].
- 21:29:40 [Ben]
- Topic: Specifying borders and layout in CSS to delineate areas of a Web page ...
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- RESOLUTION: OBE - already covered by C25
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- -Katie_Haritos_Shea
- 21:30:39 [Ben]
- Next week, start with: Specifying text and background colors of secondary content such as banners, features
- 21:31:03 [Ben]
- zakim, close this item
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- agendum 2 closed
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- I see nothing remaining on the agenda
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- -Cynthia_Shelly
- 21:31:13 [Ben]
- next teleconference in 2 weeks
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- -Andrew_Kirkpatrick
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- -Alex_Li
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- -Sofia_Celic
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- -Loretta_Guarino_Reid
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- -David_MacDonald.a
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- -Cooper
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- -Ben_Caldwell
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- -Bruce_Bailey
- 21:31:45 [Ben]
- zakim, bye
- 21:31:45 [Zakim]
- leaving. As of this point the attendees were +1.443.415.aaaa, David_MacDonald, Gregg_Vanderheiden, +1.443.415.aacc, Sofia_Celic, Cooper, Katie_Haritos_Shea, Andrew_Kirkpatrick,
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- ... Andi_Snow_Weaver, Bruce_Bailey, Alex_Li, Loretta_Guarino_Reid, Cynthia_Shelly, Tim_Boland
- 21:31:52 [Ben]
- RRSAgent, bye
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- I see 5 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2009/03/12-wai-wcag-actions.rdf :
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- ACTION: Loretta to revise proposal to reflect a standard process for all externally submitted techniques. [1]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/03/12-wai-wcag-irc#T21-13-09
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- ACTION: Sofia to review examples and suggestions from survey on "Providing text descriptions..." (see http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/20090312misc/results#xq2) [2]
- 21:31:52 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/03/12-wai-wcag-irc#T21-23-06
- 21:31:52 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: David to draft advisory technique, "Opening new windows and tabs only when best from an accessibility perspective" [3]
- 21:31:52 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/03/12-wai-wcag-irc#T21-24-01
- 21:31:52 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Alex to draft a server-side technique based on http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wcag2-techs/2008Jul/0000.html [4]
- 21:31:52 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/03/12-wai-wcag-irc#T21-27-22
- 21:31:52 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Sofia to revise SCR18 test procedure to focus on client-side validation [5]
- 21:31:52 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/03/12-wai-wcag-irc#T21-28-05