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08:55:08 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be IA_MFWG
08:55:08 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see IA_MFWG()5:00AM scheduled to start in 5 minutes
08:55:09 <trackbot> Meeting: Media Fragments Working Group Teleconference
08:55:09 <trackbot> Date: 11 March 2009
08:55:24 <raphael> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2009Mar/0029.html
08:55:30 <raphael> Chair: Erik, Raphael
08:55:35 <raphael> Regrets: Conrad
08:55:45 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/03/11-mediafrag-minutes.html raphael
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09:00:53 <jackjansen> zakim, code?
09:00:53 <Zakim> the conference code is 3724 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), jackjansen
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09:02:03 <mhausenblas> Zakim, ??P2 is me
09:02:03 <Zakim> +mhausenblas; got it
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09:02:19 <jackjansen> zakim, aaaa is me
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09:04:48 <davy> zakim, ??P4 is davy
09:04:48 <Zakim> +davy; got it
09:05:03 <raphael> zakim, aabb is nessy
09:05:03 <Zakim> +nessy; got it
09:05:17 <davy> zakim, erik is with davy
09:05:17 <Zakim> +erik; got it
09:05:33 <raphael> yves, are joi joining?
09:06:06 <raphael> Scribe: Jack
09:06:13 <raphael> scribenick: jackjansen
09:07:02 <raphael> Topic: 1. Admin
09:07:07 <raphael> accept the minutes: http://www.w3.org/2009/03/04-mediafrag-minutes.html ?
09:07:09 <mhausenblas> +1
09:07:14 <davy> +1
09:07:37 <jackjansen> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2009Mar/0029.html
09:08:10 <jackjansen> all: accepted
09:08:37 <jackjansen> resolved: 44
09:08:43 <jackjansen> RESOLVED: 44
09:08:45 <raphael> close ACTION-44
09:08:45 <trackbot> ACTION-44 Take care of zakim bridge for F2F closed
09:10:12 <jackjansen> raphael: next issue: meeting at TPAC or not? Maybe we don't want to fly there in November, too expensive?
09:10:43 <Zakim> +Yves
09:11:11 <jackjansen> Silvia: I probably won't make it
09:11:32 <jackjansen> Yves: annotations WG probably will meet
09:11:44 <Yves> s/Yves/Thierry/
09:13:17 <jackjansen> Raphael: suggests we meet at a cheaper place. Hotels in California are more expensive, and there's a fee too.
09:13:59 <jackjansen> Raphael: next topic: teleconf time. Heads up that next weeks teleconf is an hour early too.
09:14:57 <jackjansen> Silvia: back to f2f: maybe I can arrange something through csiro?
09:15:30 <jackjansen> Raphael: lets postpone discussion to Barcelona. For now main point is meeting at TPAC or not (to meet other groups)
09:16:16 <raphael> Topic: 2. PREPARATION OF WORKING DRAFT
09:16:56 <raphael> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/WD-media-fragments-reqs/
09:17:29 <jackjansen> raphael: some people seem to have CVS problems.
09:17:38 <jackjansen> Silvia: yes, I do.
09:18:21 <jackjansen> raphael: various people have no problems.
09:18:27 <tmichel> I have also sent an email to the system about checking in documents
09:18:29 <nessy> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/WD-media-fragments-reqs/
09:18:37 <erik> Erik: still problem (probably authentication issue)
09:19:08 <jackjansen> Silvia: where is the document?
09:19:15 <jackjansen> Michael: overview.html
09:20:03 <jackjansen> Raphael: html does not match xml. Needs to be processed by stylesheet.
09:21:00 <raphael> Thierry has filled the section 3, I will checked it in 
09:22:27 <jackjansen> Raphael: cvs up should give you updated documents
09:22:44 <jackjansen> ... back to syntax. 
09:22:48 <raphael> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/42785/MFRAGSYNTAXSEGMENT/
09:22:52 <jackjansen> ... The questionaire.
09:24:01 <jackjansen> ... Everyone happy with segment, which has the majority?
09:24:04 <mhausenblas> +1
09:24:07 <raphael> close ACTION-45
09:24:07 <trackbot> ACTION-45 Erik And Raphael to set up a questionnaire to find a name for the top level Media Fragment production rule closed
09:24:47 <jackjansen> yves: does this also change the other production names?
09:25:09 <jackjansen> Raphael: I think so. xxxfragment becomes xxxsegment for any xxx.
09:25:18 <jackjansen> ... Action 46 is ongoing.
09:25:32 <jackjansen> yves: had no time to work on it. In another f2f.
09:26:07 <jackjansen> Topic: 2.2 use cases
09:26:42 <jackjansen> Silvia: working on it, seems ok so far.
09:27:01 <jackjansen> Topic 2.3: existing technology.
09:27:21 <jackjansen> s/Topic 2.3: Topic: 2.3
09:27:36 <jackjansen> erik: only need to do copying.
09:27:40 <raphael> close ACTION-23
09:27:40 <trackbot> ACTION-23 (together with Jean-Pierre) to add TV-Anytime also to Existing Technologies Survey closed
09:27:59 <jackjansen> topic: 2.4 http implementation
09:28:13 <raphael> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/HTTP_implementation
09:29:11 <jackjansen> Raphael: need to use real media. Jack suggests using prerecorded video from Nice
09:29:53 <jackjansen> ... Does current text capture intention?
09:30:02 <jackjansen> Yves: think so, need to check
09:30:07 <jackjansen> Silvia: me too
09:30:19 <jackjansen> q+
09:30:43 <nessy> q+
09:31:07 <jackjansen> Raphael: need to fill pro+con section, especially caching.
09:31:17 <raphael> zakim, ack jackjansen
09:31:17 <Zakim> I see nessy on the speaker queue
09:32:00 <Zakim> -nessy
09:32:27 <raphael> Jack: suggest to flip the examples ... 4-ways handshake is better equiped to have different ranges
09:33:07 <raphael> ... while the 2-ways handshakes might return exactly what the UA has requested, and the UA will need to do an extra clipping
09:33:23 <raphael> Yves: multi mime answer?
09:33:47 <raphael> Jack: we do continuous segments or not?
09:34:24 <Zakim> + +06128012aacc
09:34:53 <raphael> Raphael: see the issue page http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/Issues#Continuity_.2F_Discontinuity
09:35:53 <raphael> zakim, ack nessy
09:35:53 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
09:36:17 <jackjansen> Silvia: I want to reopen the discussion on 2way 4way
09:36:27 <jackjansen> ... maybe at next f2f.
09:36:32 <raphael> Raphael: agree to make it a major topic of our next telecon
09:37:40 <jackjansen> Silvia: not reopen, more like clarify.
09:38:20 <Yves> btw: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-httpbis-p5-range-06
09:38:45 <jackjansen> Raphael: Silvia, can you write an email with your comments?
09:39:04 <jackjansen> Silvia: better to have everyone read it, and discuss it in 2 weeks time
09:39:41 <jackjansen> Raphael: ok.
09:40:22 <jackjansen> Silvia: will miss next week: product lunch
09:40:29 <jackjansen> ... (OR LAUNCH??)
09:41:04 <nessy> yeah, product launch :)
09:41:12 <jackjansen> Raphael: Yves, what is the url you posted above?
09:41:25 <jackjansen> (offtopic: too bad, lunch seems more fun)
09:42:00 <jackjansen> Raphael: it's mandatory reading for everyone.
09:42:14 <jackjansen> Topic: 3. issues
09:42:49 <jackjansen> Raphael: do we need to update mimetype registrations?
09:43:41 <jackjansen> Michael: not necessary for first draft. I haven't done anything yet, but please keep it open.
09:43:53 <jackjansen> ... will come with proposal after talking to various people.
09:43:59 <raphael> +1 for Michael
09:44:04 <nessy> +1
09:44:28 <jackjansen> Raphael: ok, should we keep it on agenda?
09:44:33 <jackjansen> Michael: don't care
09:44:53 <jackjansen> Raphael: on to issue 4. Track names.
09:45:27 <jackjansen> q+
09:45:47 <jackjansen> Silvia: I'm both pro and con, actually.
09:46:06 <jackjansen> ... con because its up to the containerr
09:46:20 <jackjansen> ... pro because it's handy from user pov
09:47:09 <raphael> zakim, ack jackjansen
09:47:09 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
09:47:17 <raphael> Jack: I'm also pro and con 
09:47:25 <raphael> ... I'm against it at this point in time
09:47:42 <raphael> ... I'm afraid we standardize it incorrectly
09:48:01 <raphael> ... we are going more in the metadata field
09:48:15 <raphael> Raphael: agree, we might need more expertise and postpone that later
09:48:36 <raphael> Jack: I suggest we study it more, particularly the WAI
09:49:01 <raphael> Raphael: should we try to invite some of them in a telecon?
09:50:27 <jackjansen> Raphael: I'll put it on the agenda for the next cross-wg teleconf with them
09:50:49 <jackjansen> Raphael: but after first working draft.
09:51:14 <raphael> Jack: yes, but put a paragraph explaining the rationale in the WD
09:51:15 <raphael> +1
09:51:19 <nessy> +1
09:51:41 <davy> +1
09:51:55 <jackjansen> topic: 5. AOB
09:52:07 <jackjansen> Raphael: nothing on implementation. AOB?
09:52:18 <jackjansen> ... Nothing? Ok. 
09:52:33 <jackjansen> ... Everyone needs to read http document.
09:52:51 <jackjansen> ... Also: everyone take care we copy all info to wd.
09:53:54 <jackjansen> Michael: asks Yves to give occasional updates on httpbis
09:54:14 <jackjansen> Yves: info is publicly available in minutes.
09:54:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/03/11-mediafrag-minutes.html raphael
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09:55:26 <Zakim> -Yves
09:55:27 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/03/11-mediafrag-minutes.html Yves
09:55:31 <jackjansen> raphael, are you doing the magic?
09:55:34 <Zakim> -Thierry
09:55:35 <Zakim> IA_MFWG()5:00AM has ended
09:55:37 <Zakim> Attendees were raphael, mhausenblas, +31.20.592.aaaa, jackjansen, Thierry, +61.2.801.2.aabb, davy, nessy, erik, Yves, +06128012aacc
09:55:38 <jackjansen> Ah, yves does.
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09:55:42 <raphael> zakim, bye
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09:55:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/03/11-mediafrag-minutes.html raphael
09:55:56 <raphael> RRSAgent, bye
09:55:56 <RRSAgent> I see no action items