IRC log of au on 2009-03-09

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19:55:33 [JR]: * Zakim, this will be AUWG
19:55:41 [JR]: Zakim, this will be AUWG
19:55:41 [Zakim]: ok, JR; I see WAI_AUWG()3:00PM scheduled to start 55 minutes ago
19:55:46 [JR]: Meeting: WAI AU
19:56:40 [JR]: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2009JanMar/0056.html
19:57:17 [JR]: Regrets: Andrew R., Tim B., Roberto S.
19:59:53 [jeanne]: zakim, code?
19:59:53 [Zakim]: the conference code is 2894 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), jeanne
20:00:10 [Zakim]: WAI_AUWG()3:00PM has now started
20:00:16 [Zakim]: + +1.617.324.aaaa
20:01:00 [jeanne]: zakim, aaaa is really jeanne
20:01:01 [Zakim]: +jeanne; got it
20:01:02 [Zakim]: +??P3
20:01:24 [JR]: zakim, ??P3 is really JR
20:01:24 [Zakim]: +JR; got it
20:03:32 [Zakim]: +Greg_Pisocky
20:10:13 [Zakim]: + +1.561.582.aabb
20:10:55 [JR]: zakim, +1.561.582.aabb is really SueAnn
20:10:55 [Zakim]: +SueAnn; got it
20:11:17 [JR]: zakim, +1.617.324.aaaa is really jeanne
20:11:17 [Zakim]: sorry, JR, I do not recognize a party named '+1.617.324.aaaa'
20:11:31 [JR]: zakim, who's here?
20:11:31 [Zakim]: On the phone I see jeanne, JR, Greg_Pisocky, SueAnn
20:11:32 [Zakim]: On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, JR, jeanne, trackbot
20:11:45 [JR]: Chair: Jan Richards
20:12:56 [Greg]: Greg has joined #au
20:13:12 [JR]: Scribe: Greg
20:13:25 [JR]: Topic: F2F Planning
20:13:32 [Greg]: TPAC face to face planning
20:13:46 [JR]: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2009JanMar/0060.html
20:14:07 [Sueann]: Sueann has joined #au
20:15:20 [Greg]: Does AWUG intend to participate in the meeting in Santa Clara, California USA
20:15:22 [Greg]: November 2 - 6 2009
20:20:06 [Greg]: Final decision to be made next Monday. Jean will put it on a survey
20:20:17 [jeanne]: action: JS to put question on attending TPAC on next week's survey
20:20:17 [trackbot]: Created ACTION-125 - Put question on attending TPAC on next week's survey [on Jeanne Spellman - due 2009-03-16].
20:20:19 [JR]: Topic: ARIA review
20:20:51 [JR]: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2009JanMar/0049.html
20:21:26 [Greg]: ARIA Review - ARIA has a last call, ATAG should take a look just to satisfy itself. The new deadline is April 17, 2009
20:21:27 [JR]: New deadline April 17
20:22:25 [Greg]: Reviews to the group by April 6, 2009 looking at ARIA through the lens of ATAG.
20:23:23 [Greg]: Complete the glossary review
20:23:29 [JR]: Topic: Finish (hopefully) the glossary review
20:23:40 [JR]: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2009JanMar/att-0055/ATAG2_Glossary_Review__Rev11_.doc
20:23:41 [Zakim]: +??P8
20:24:04 [JR]: zakim, ??P8 is really JuttaT
20:24:04 [Zakim]: +JuttaT; got it
20:24:10 [jeanne]: http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35520/20090227/results
20:25:36 [JR]: Topic: assistive technology
20:26:17 [JR]: assistive technology [adapted from WCAG 2.0]
20:26:19 [JR]: Software (or hardware), separate from the authoring tool, that provides functionality to meet the requirements of users with disabilities. Some authoring tools may also provide direct accessibility features.
20:26:20 [JR]: Examples of assistive technologies include, but are not limited to, the following:
20:26:54 [JR]: •screen magnifiers, and other visual reading assistants, which are used by people with visual, perceptual and physical print disabilities to change text font, size, spacing, color, synchronization with speech, etc. in order to improve the visual readability of rendered text and images;
20:26:55 [JR]: •screen readers, which are used by people who are blind to read textual information through synthesized speech or braille;
20:26:57 [JR]: •text-to-speech software, which is used by some people with cognitive, language, and learning disabilities to convert text into synthetic speech;
20:26:58 [JR]: •speech recognition software, which may be used by people who have some physical disabilities;
20:27:00 [JR]: •alternative keyboards, which are used by people with certain physical disabilities to simulate the keyboard (including alternate keyboards that use head pointers, single switches, sip/puff and other special input devices);
20:27:01 [JR]: •alternative pointing devices, which are used by people with certain physical disabilities to simulate mouse pointing and button activations.
20:27:35 [JR]: direct accessibility features
20:27:36 [JR]: Features of an authoring tool that provide functionality to meet the requirements of users with disabilities (e.g., keyboard navigation, zoom functions, text-to-speech). Additional or specialized functionality may still be provided by external assistive technology.
20:28:04 [jeanne]: action: JS to update glossary with the new wording of the first paragraph of Assistive Technology
20:28:04 [trackbot]: Created ACTION-126 - Update glossary with the new wording of the first paragraph of Assistive Technology [on Jeanne Spellman - due 2009-03-16].
20:28:31 [jeanne]: +1
20:28:45 [JR]: All: No problem wqith either defn
20:28:57 [jeanne]: action: JS to update glossary with new definition of direct accessibility features
20:28:57 [trackbot]: Created ACTION-127 - Update glossary with new definition of direct accessibility features [on Jeanne Spellman - due 2009-03-16].
20:29:49 [JR]: Topic: equivalent alternative vs. altenative content
20:29:58 [JR]: Content that is used in place of other content that a person may not be able to access. An equivalent alternative fulfills essentially the same function or purpose as the original content. Examples include text alternatives for non-text content, captions for audio, audio descriptions for video, sign language for audio, media alternatives for time-based media. See WCAG for more information
20:32:18 [JR]: All: Agree on "Alternative Content"
20:32:54 [JR]: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2009JanMar/0062.html
20:33:11 [jeanne]: Action: JS to update glossary with the term "alternative content" deleting "equivalent". Inside the definition as well.
20:33:11 [trackbot]: Created ACTION-128 - Update glossary with the term \"alternative content\" deleting \"equivalent\". Inside the definition as well. [on Jeanne Spellman - due 2009-03-16].
20:33:32 [JR]: Topic: Prominence
20:33:36 [JR]: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2009JanMar/0062.html
20:35:02 [JR]: prominence
20:35:04 [JR]: A heuristic measure of how likely users are to notice items (controls or
20:35:06 [JR]: groups of controls) in a user interface that they are operating.
20:35:07 [JR]: Prominence is affected by numerous factors, including: the number of
20:35:09 [JR]: navigation steps required, the reading order position, visual properties
20:35:10 [JR]: (e.g., size, spacing, colour), and even the modality of use (e.g., mouse
20:35:12 [JR]: vs. keyboard use). For purposes of conformance to ATAG 2.0, item A is
20:35:13 [JR]: considered to be *at least as prominent* as item B if:
20:35:15 [JR]: * (a) both items occur in the same item container (e.g., menu for menu
20:35:16 [JR]: items, list for list items, dialog box for text boxes)
20:35:18 [JR]: * (b) item A is highlighted if item B is highlighted.
20:35:19 [JR]: * (c) item A occurs higher in the reading order or immediately follows
20:35:21 [JR]: item B.
20:37:11 [JR]: JS: I noticed our examples talk about text
20:37:32 [JR]: JS: Like to see text, controls, groups of controls
20:40:04 [JR]: (2a) Rewording B.1.1.2, B.1.1.4, B.1.1.6 for clarity:
20:40:06 [JR]: B.1.1.2 Author Choice of Technologies (Level A): If the authoring tool
20:40:07 [JR]: provides authors with Web content technology options, THEN ANY
20:40:09 [JR]: *ACCESSIBLE technology* (WCAG Level A) options THAT ARE SUITABLE FOR THE
20:40:11 [JR]: TASK ARE *AT LEAST AS PROMINENT* AS ANY OTHER TECHNOLOGY OPTIONS. (Level A)
20:40:40 [JR]: (2b) Add this sentence to the end of the definition of "Technology":
20:40:42 [JR]: An *accessible technology* is a technology that may be used in a way
20:40:43 [JR]: that is "accessibility supported" (For more information on
20:40:45 [JR]: "accessibility supported", see WCAG 2.0).
20:46:59 [JR]: (3) Rewording B.2.1.1, B.2.1.2, B.2.1.3:
20:47:01 [JR]: B.2.1.1 Guide Accessible (Level A): If authors are prompted for any
20:47:02 [JR]: information as content is being added or updated (e.g., by an image
20:47:04 [JR]: modification dialog), then:
20:47:06 [JR]: (a) PROMPTS ARE INCLUDED for any accessibility information required for
20:47:07 [JR]: that content to meet WCAG Level A (Level A)
20:47:09 [JR]: (b) THE ACCESSIBILITY PROMPTS ARE *AT LEAST AS PROMINENT*.
20:57:39 [JR]: Action JR: Modify proposal for Rewording B.2.1.1, B.2.1.2, B.2.1.3 to not use "At least as prominent" but to use some workflow typoe language instead
20:57:39 [trackbot]: Created ACTION-129 - Modify proposal for Rewording B.2.1.1, B.2.1.2, B.2.1.3 to not use \"At least as prominent\" but to use some workflow typoe language instead [on Jan Richards - due 2009-03-16].
20:57:54 [JR]: (4) Rewording B.2.5.3:
20:57:56 [JR]: B.2.5.3 Template Selection Mechanism: If authors are provided with a
20:57:58 [JR]: template selection mechanism, then (Level A):
20:57:59 [JR]: (a) the selection mechanism indicates the accessibility status of
20:58:01 [JR]: templates (if known), AND
20:58:02 [JR]: (b) any accessible template options ARE *AT LEAST AS PROMINENT* AS other
20:58:04 [JR]: TEMPLATE options.
20:58:53 [JR]: (5) Rewording B.2.5.7:
20:58:55 [JR]: B.2.5.7 Pre-Authored Content Selection Mechanism: If authors are
20:58:57 [JR]: provided with a selection mechanism for pre-authored content other than
20:58:58 [JR]: templates (e.g., clip art gallery, widget repository, design themes),
20:59:00 [JR]: then (Level AA):
20:59:01 [JR]: (a) the selection mechanism indicates the accessibility status of the
20:59:03 [JR]: pre-authored content (if known), AND
20:59:04 [JR]: (b) any accessible options ARE *AT LEAST AS PROMINENT* AS other
20:59:06 [JR]: PRE-AUTHORED CONTENT options.
20:59:17 [JR]: (7) Rewording B.3.1.1:
20:59:19 [JR]: B.3.1.1 Accessible Options Prominent : If authors are provided with
20:59:21 [JR]: multiple options for an authoring task, options that will result in
20:59:22 [JR]: content conforming to *WCAG* Level A ARE *AT LEAST AS PROMINENT* AS
20:59:24 [JR]: OPTIONS THAT WILL NOT. (Level A)
20:59:44 [JR]: (8) Minor edit to B.3.3.4:
20:59:46 [JR]: B.3.3.4 At Least as Prominent: Accessible content support features are
20:59:48 [JR]: *at least as prominent* [DEL] as comparable features related to other
20:59:49 [JR]: types of Web content problems (e.g., invalid markup, syntax errors,
20:59:51 [JR]: spelling and grammar errors). (Level AA)
21:00:26 [JR]: (6) Rewording the rationale of B.3.1:
21:00:28 [JR]: Guideline B.3.1 Rationale: When authors are learning a new authoring
21:00:30 [JR]: tool, they may find and learn to use the first authoring action they
21:00:31 [JR]: encounter that achieves their intended outcome. Since they may be
21:00:33 [JR]: unaware of the issue of accessibility, it preferable that accessible
21:00:35 [JR]: content be an additional unintended outcome, rather than inaccessible
21:00:37 [JR]: content.
21:03:27 [Zakim]: -JuttaT
21:03:28 [Zakim]: -Greg_Pisocky
21:03:28 [Zakim]: -SueAnn
21:03:56 [Zakim]: -JR
21:03:57 [Zakim]: -jeanne
21:03:57 [Zakim]: WAI_AUWG()3:00PM has ended
21:03:59 [Zakim]: Attendees were +1.617.324.aaaa, jeanne, JR, Greg_Pisocky, SueAnn, JuttaT
21:06:50 [JR]: NEXT CALL Mar 23
21:07:00 [JR]: RRSAgent, make minutes
21:07:00 [RRSAgent]: I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/03/09-au-minutes.html JR
21:07:07 [JR]: RRSAgent, set logs public
21:07:14 [JR]: Zakim, bye
21:07:14 [Zakim]: Zakim has left #au
21:07:24 [JR]: RRSAgent, bye
21:07:24 [RRSAgent]: I see 5 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2009/03/09-au-actions.rdf :
21:07:24 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: JS to put question on attending TPAC on next week's survey [1]
21:07:24 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/03/09-au-irc#T20-20-17
21:07:24 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: JS to update glossary with the new wording of the first paragraph of Assistive Technology [2]
21:07:24 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/03/09-au-irc#T20-28-04
21:07:24 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: JS to update glossary with new definition of direct accessibility features [3]
21:07:24 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/03/09-au-irc#T20-28-57
21:07:24 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: JS to update glossary with the term "alternative content" deleting "equivalent". Inside the definition as well. [4]
21:07:24 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/03/09-au-irc#T20-33-11
21:07:24 [RRSAgent]: ACTION: JR to Modify proposal for Rewording B.2.1.1, B.2.1.2, B.2.1.3 to not use "At least as prominent" but to use some workflow typoe language instead [5]
21:07:24 [RRSAgent]: recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/03/09-au-irc#T20-57-39