IRC log of er on 2009-03-04

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Zakim, this will be 3794

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ok, trackbot; I see WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM scheduled to start in 11 minutes

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Meeting: Evaluation and Repair Tools Working Group Teleconference

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Date: 04 March 2009

13:20:36 [squillace]

Chair: squillace

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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2009Mar/0002.html

13:23:20 [squillace]

zakim, agenda+ Review of updated EARL 1.0 Schema with special attention to the conformance section.

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agendum 1 added

13:23:56 [squillace]

zakim, agenda+ ERT WG meeting during TPAC 2009

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agendum 2 added

13:24:03 [squillace]

zakim, agenda+ next and future meetings

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agendum 3 added

13:24:14 [squillace]

zakim, angedna?

13:24:14 [Zakim]

I don't understand your question, squillace.

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zakim, agedna

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I don't understand 'agedna', squillace

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zakim, agenda

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I don't understand 'agenda', squillace

13:24:46 [squillace]

zakim, agenda?

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I see 3 items remaining on the agenda:

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1. Review of updated EARL 1.0 Schema with special attention to the conformance section [from squillace]

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2. ERT WG meeting during TPAC 2009 [from squillace]

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3. next and future meetings [from squillace]

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WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has now started

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+ +1.512.286.aaaa

13:27:30 [squillace]

zakim, +1.512 is squillace

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+squillace; got it

13:27:44 [shadi]

zakim, call shadi-617

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ok, shadi; the call is being made

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+Shadi

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agenda+ WAI Evaluation Resource Suite

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agenda?

13:30:22 [JohannesK]

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zakim, order 1,4,2,3

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I don't understand 'order 1,4,2,3', shadi

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+CarlosV

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zakim, agenda order 1,4,2,3

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ok, shadi

13:31:02 [JohannesK]

zakim, CarlosV is really me

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+JohannesK; got it

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agenda?

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13:31:39 [JohannesK]

CarlosV is too busy to join

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regrets: CarlosV

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+CarlosI

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zakim, agenda order 2,4,1,3

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ok, shadi

13:33:26 [squillace]

Scribe: CarlosI

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zakim, take up next agendum

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agendum 2. "ERT WG meeting during TPAC 2009" taken up [from squillace]

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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2009Feb/0020.html

13:34:43 [carlosI]

MS: TPAC 2-6 November 2009 Santa Clara, CA, USA.

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MS: exploring potential interest of group attending

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SAZ: this year need to confirm hotel reservations

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SAZ: we haven't met in the USA for quite a while

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SAZ: although most participants are not from the USA it could encourage more participation

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SAZ: need to decide for the next telecon at most

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MS: will be attending

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MS: good opportunity to share with other groups

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CI: not sure at this moment

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CI: if need to have an answer right now it would be a no

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SAZ: depend on what groups will meet

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SAZ: may decide later in the year depending on the group progress

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JK: quite a difficult week

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JK: probably won't attend

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SAZ: looks like a no for a full group meeting

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SAZ: should have a F2F this year

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SAZ: need to think where and when

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MS: could do an european F2F meeting again with also phone participation

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SAZ: can wait until last call stage and then think more seriously about F2F

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https://www.hcii2009.org/

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SAZ: HCI International in July, San Diego

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SAZ: paper submission

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SAZ: interesting to keep an eye on it

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MS: concusion: no official F2F group meeting at TPAC but need a F2F probably coinciding with other event

13:50:11 [squillace]

RESOLUTION: no F2F at TPAC 2009 but keep eyes and ears open for F2F for our group with regard to time and palce, possibly co-locating with anotehr conference (e.g. HCI in July 2009)

13:50:23 [squillace]

zakim, take up next agendum

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agendum 4. "WAI Evaluation Resource Suite" taken up [from shadi]

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http://www.w3.org/WAI/eval/

13:52:04 [carlosI]

SAZ: need to update the evaluation resources suite according to WCAG 2

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SAZ: have submitted a proposal to the Leonardo da Vinci program with Braillenet, Bartimeus and University of Linz

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SAZ: its and educational program

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SAZ: working on methodologies and guidelines assistance

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SAZ: waiting for a response

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SAZ: if starting not before November or so

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SAZ: work will be done through WAI WGs

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SAZ: participation will be open to as much stakeholders as possible

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SAZ: previous work on UWEM methodology for WCAG 1.0

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SAZ: working on WCAG 2 guidelines and 1.0 methodology at the same time

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SAZ: hope to reuse as much as possible

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SAZ: UWEM projects are public and have ended

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JK: as a UWEM participant would like to say that some parts where WCAG 1.0 dependant but others are generic enough to be resused

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SAZ: two different parts

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SAZ: the tests themselft

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SAZ: and the procedure

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zakim, take up next agendum

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agendum 1. "Review of updated EARL 1.0 Schema with special attention to the conformance section" taken up [from squillace]

14:00:54 [shadi]

http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/EARL10/WD-EARL10-Schema-20090302

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http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/EARL10/WD-EARL10-Schema-20090302#conformance

14:01:15 [carlosI]

MS: like the new approach

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MS: looks more clear

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MS: like the overall layout

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MS: can go section by section

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CI: would like to clarify that cnt:Content and http:Response are optional

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MS: how does RDF handle different languages?

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MS: about the third point in 4.2

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JK: the problem is that you can have several different serializations for the same model

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JK: wich one to select?

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JK: maybe can't be possible to use some RDF tools because they not use the same serialization

14:11:40 [carlosI_]

SAZ: the question is if it is a restriction o requirement we want to adopt or not

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MS: then why are we using RDF at all?

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JK: think it is contrary to the RDF philosophy in general

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SAZ: it won't be a must

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JK: RDF tools shouldn't be required to support specific serializations

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SAZ: about Appendix A

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SAZ: the idea is that tools should be able to consume or produce all the terms if there is information for them

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JK: about 4.1 point 1

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JK: does it mean that the tool should be RDF aware or may one use an XML tool and say it is a conformin processor

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s/conformin/conforming

14:22:29 [carlosI]

SAZ: it should be able to handle any serialization

14:23:03 [shadi]

add "any" to RDF/XML serialization (in point 4.2)

14:27:07 [shadi]

consider "must *be able to*" to 4.2.2 and 4.3.2

14:28:03 [carlosI]

RESOLUTION: drop section 4.4

14:31:19 [carlosI]

SAZ: need to clearly separate between EARL conforming and supporting tools

14:31:32 [carlosI]

SAZ: not sure whether it is the right wording

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SAZ: related to the EARL Lite idea

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-squillace

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-JohannesK

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-Shadi

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-CarlosI

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trackbot, end meeting

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Zakim, list attendees

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RRSAgent, please draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/03/04-er-minutes.html trackbot

14:32:07 [Zakim]

WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has ended

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RRSAgent, bye

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I see no action items

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Attendees were +1.512.286.aaaa, squillace, Shadi, JohannesK, CarlosI

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sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is