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13:19:29 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM scheduled to start in 11 minutes
13:19:30 <trackbot> Meeting: Evaluation and Repair Tools Working Group Teleconference
13:19:30 <trackbot> Date: 04 March 2009
13:20:36 <squillace> Chair: squillace
13:22:07 <squillace> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2009Mar/0002.html
13:23:20 <squillace> zakim, agenda+ Review of updated EARL 1.0 Schema with special attention to the conformance section.
13:23:20 <Zakim> agendum 1 added
13:23:56 <squillace> zakim, agenda+ ERT WG meeting during TPAC 2009
13:23:56 <Zakim> agendum 2 added
13:24:03 <squillace> zakim, agenda+ next and future meetings
13:24:03 <Zakim> agendum 3 added
13:24:14 <squillace> zakim, angedna?
13:24:14 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, squillace.
13:24:23 <squillace> zakim, agedna
13:24:23 <Zakim> I don't understand 'agedna', squillace
13:24:33 <squillace> zakim, agenda
13:24:33 <Zakim> I don't understand 'agenda', squillace
13:24:46 <squillace> zakim, agenda?
13:24:46 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda:
13:24:47 <Zakim> 1. Review of updated EARL 1.0 Schema with special attention to the conformance section [from squillace]
13:24:51 <Zakim> 2. ERT WG meeting during TPAC 2009 [from squillace]
13:24:52 <Zakim> 3. next and future meetings [from squillace]
13:27:04 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has now started
13:27:11 <Zakim> + +1.512.286.aaaa
13:27:30 <squillace> zakim, +1.512 is squillace
13:27:30 <Zakim> +squillace; got it
13:27:44 <shadi> zakim, call shadi-617
13:27:44 <Zakim> ok, shadi; the call is being made
13:27:45 <Zakim> +Shadi
13:30:13 <shadi> agenda+ WAI Evaluation Resource Suite
13:30:21 <shadi> agenda?
13:30:22 <JohannesK> JohannesK has joined #er
13:30:50 <shadi> zakim, order 1,4,2,3
13:30:50 <Zakim> I don't understand 'order 1,4,2,3', shadi
13:30:51 <Zakim> +CarlosV
13:30:58 <shadi> zakim, agenda order 1,4,2,3
13:30:58 <Zakim> ok, shadi
13:31:02 <JohannesK> zakim, CarlosV is really me
13:31:02 <Zakim> +JohannesK; got it
13:31:05 <shadi> agenda?
13:31:18 <carlosI> carlosI has joined #er
13:31:39 <JohannesK> CarlosV is too busy to join
13:31:59 <shadi> regrets: CarlosV
13:32:18 <Zakim> +CarlosI
13:33:00 <shadi> zakim, agenda order 2,4,1,3
13:33:00 <Zakim> ok, shadi
13:33:26 <squillace> Scribe: CarlosI
13:33:36 <squillace> zakim, take up next agendum
13:33:36 <Zakim> agendum 2. "ERT WG meeting during TPAC 2009" taken up [from squillace]
13:33:51 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2009Feb/0020.html
13:34:43 <carlosI> MS: TPAC 2-6 November 2009 Santa Clara, CA, USA.
13:35:04 <carlosI> MS: exploring potential interest of group attending
13:35:30 <carlosI> SAZ: this year need to confirm hotel reservations
13:35:49 <carlosI> SAZ: we haven't met in the USA for quite a while
13:36:23 <carlosI> SAZ: although most participants are not from the USA it could encourage more participation
13:36:41 <carlosI> SAZ: need to decide for the next telecon at most
13:37:12 <carlosI> MS: will be attending
13:37:26 <carlosI> MS: good opportunity to share with other groups
13:40:37 <carlosI> CI: not sure at this moment
13:41:01 <carlosI> CI: if need to have an answer right now it would be a no
13:41:28 <carlosI> SAZ: depend on what groups will meet
13:42:22 <carlosI> SAZ: may decide later in the year depending on the group progress
13:42:35 <carlosI> JK: quite a difficult week
13:42:44 <carlosI> JK: probably won't attend
13:43:27 <carlosI> SAZ: looks like a no for a full group meeting
13:44:20 <carlosI> SAZ: should have a F2F this year
13:44:33 <carlosI> SAZ: need to think where and when
13:45:06 <carlosI> MS: could do an european F2F meeting again with also phone participation
13:45:34 <carlosI> SAZ: can wait until last call stage and then think more seriously about F2F
13:45:40 <shadi> https://www.hcii2009.org/
13:46:33 <carlosI> SAZ: HCI International in July, San Diego
13:46:57 <carlosI> SAZ: paper submission
13:47:17 <carlosI> SAZ: interesting to keep an eye on it
13:49:33 <carlosI> MS: concusion: no official F2F group meeting at TPAC but need a F2F probably coinciding with other event
13:50:11 <squillace> RESOLUTION: no F2F at TPAC 2009 but keep eyes and ears open for F2F for our group with regard to time and palce, possibly co-locating with anotehr conference (e.g. HCI in July 2009)
13:50:23 <squillace> zakim, take up next agendum
13:50:23 <Zakim> agendum 4. "WAI Evaluation Resource Suite" taken up [from shadi]
13:50:47 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/eval/
13:52:04 <carlosI> SAZ: need to update the evaluation resources suite according to WCAG 2
13:53:51 <carlosI> SAZ: have submitted a proposal to the Leonardo da Vinci program with Braillenet, Bartimeus and University of Linz
13:54:19 <carlosI> SAZ: its and educational program
13:54:42 <carlosI> SAZ: working on methodologies and guidelines assistance
13:55:21 <carlosI> SAZ: waiting for a response
13:55:39 <carlosI> SAZ: if starting not before November or so
13:55:58 <carlosI> SAZ: work will be done through WAI WGs
13:56:37 <carlosI> SAZ: participation will be open to as much stakeholders as possible
13:57:20 <carlosI> SAZ: previous work on UWEM methodology for WCAG 1.0
13:57:43 <carlosI> SAZ: working on WCAG 2 guidelines and 1.0 methodology at the same time
13:57:51 <carlosI> SAZ: hope to reuse as much as possible
13:58:31 <carlosI> SAZ: UWEM projects are public and have ended
13:59:37 <carlosI> JK: as a UWEM participant would like to say that some parts where WCAG 1.0 dependant but others are generic enough to be resused
13:59:49 <carlosI> SAZ: two different parts
13:59:55 <carlosI> SAZ: the tests themselft
14:00:04 <carlosI> SAZ: and the procedure
14:00:44 <squillace> zakim, take up next agendum
14:00:44 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Review of updated EARL 1.0 Schema with special attention to the conformance section" taken up [from squillace]
14:00:54 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/EARL10/WD-EARL10-Schema-20090302
14:01:09 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/EARL10/WD-EARL10-Schema-20090302#conformance
14:01:15 <carlosI> MS: like the new approach
14:01:22 <carlosI> MS: looks more clear
14:01:39 <carlosI> MS: like the overall layout
14:02:04 <carlosI> MS: can go section by section
14:05:21 <carlosI> CI: would like to clarify that cnt:Content and http:Response are optional
14:06:29 <carlosI> MS: how does RDF handle different languages?
14:08:42 <carlosI> MS: about the third point in 4.2
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14:10:00 <carlosI_> JK: the problem is that you can have several different serializations for the same model
14:10:09 <carlosI_> JK: wich one to select?
14:11:05 <carlosI_> JK: maybe can't be possible to use some RDF tools because they not use the same serialization
14:11:40 <carlosI_> SAZ: the question is if it is a restriction o requirement we want to adopt or not
14:11:53 <carlosI> MS: then why are we using RDF at all?
14:13:05 <carlosI> JK: think it is contrary to the RDF philosophy in general
14:13:21 <carlosI> SAZ: it won't be a must
14:15:33 <carlosI> JK: RDF tools shouldn't be required to support specific serializations
14:17:14 <carlosI> SAZ: about Appendix A
14:17:40 <carlosI> SAZ: the idea is that tools should be able to consume or produce all the terms if there is information for them
14:21:02 <carlosI> JK: about 4.1 point 1
14:21:39 <carlosI> JK: does it mean that the tool should be RDF aware or may one use an XML tool and say it is a conformin processor
14:21:56 <carlosI> s/conformin/conforming
14:22:29 <carlosI> SAZ: it should be able to handle any serialization
14:23:03 <shadi> add "any" to RDF/XML serialization (in point 4.2)
14:27:07 <shadi> consider "must *be able to*" to 4.2.2 and 4.3.2
14:28:03 <carlosI> RESOLUTION: drop section 4.4
14:31:19 <carlosI> SAZ: need to clearly separate between EARL conforming and supporting tools
14:31:32 <carlosI> SAZ: not sure whether it is the right wording
14:31:44 <carlosI> SAZ: related to the EARL Lite idea
14:31:52 <Zakim> -squillace
14:31:55 <Zakim> -JohannesK
14:32:00 <Zakim> -Shadi
14:32:05 <Zakim> -CarlosI
14:32:06 <shadi> trackbot, end meeting
14:32:06 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
14:32:07 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
14:32:07 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/03/04-er-minutes.html trackbot
14:32:07 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has ended
14:32:08 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
14:32:08 <RRSAgent> I see no action items
14:32:09 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.512.286.aaaa, squillace, Shadi, JohannesK, CarlosI
14:32:10 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is