IRC log of ws-ra on 2009-03-03

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logging to
20:27:04 [Zakim]
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20:27:06 [Geoff]
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20:28:19 [Bob]
zakim, this will be #WS-WSRA
20:28:19 [Zakim]
I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, Bob
20:28:25 [Bob]
zakim, this will be #WS_WSRA
20:28:25 [Zakim]
I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, Bob
20:28:29 [Bob]
zakim, this will be WS_WSRA
20:28:29 [Zakim]
ok, Bob, I see WS_WSRA()3:30PM already started
20:28:45 [Bob]
zakim, who is on the phone?
20:28:45 [Zakim]
On the phone I see SVij, Bob_Freund, [Microsoft]
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20:28:59 [gpilz1]
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20:29:08 [dug]
Zakim, IBM is Dug
20:29:08 [Zakim]
+Dug; got it
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+ +1.408.970.aaaa
20:29:39 [Bob]
zakim, [Micr is geoff
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+geoff; got it
20:29:47 [fmaciel]
zakim, aaaa is fmaciel
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+fmaciel; got it
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20:29:59 [Bob]
zakim, geoff holds asir
20:29:59 [Zakim]
+asir; got it
20:30:10 [Zakim]
20:30:50 [dug]
Bob - I'd like to verify the attendee list for the f2f - if that's ok
20:31:42 [Zakim]
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+ +1.208.234.aabb
20:32:22 [Zakim]
20:32:23 [dug]
zakim, who is talking?
20:32:36 [Zakim]
dug, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: SVij (88%), Yves (3%)
20:32:38 [Zakim]
20:32:55 [dug]
so, who was SVij ?
20:33:04 [Zakim]
20:33:31 [Sumeet]
Sumeet I am there
20:34:15 [Yves]
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20:36:25 [fmaciel]
Fred Maciel as scribe
20:36:29 [Bob]
scribe: Fred Maciel
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20:36:46 [Bob]
scribenick: fmaciel
20:37:29 [dug]
20:37:41 [Bob]
20:38:10 [fmaciel]
topic: agenda bashing
20:38:47 [fmaciel]
added F2F attendance
20:39:18 [fmaciel]
topic: minutes approval
20:39:42 [Bob]
Geoff's comments re minutes
20:41:59 [fmaciel]
On (1) Agreement to add Bob's comment. No requests for other comments.
20:42:26 [Bob]
bob will ad his comment concerning pointer to ws-ra homepage and mixed list
20:42:28 [dug]
20:42:42 [Bob]
ack dug
20:42:49 [dug]
Bob asked several times and ways to see if people had any more
20:42:50 [dug]
questions about either proposal and no one spoke up.
20:44:09 [asir]
but we did not discuss IBM proposal last week
20:48:15 [Bob]
Geoff described summary section of proposal. the chair asked if there were any questions concerning the proposal - "People can read" was one comment made.
20:48:44 [asir]
i recall that both Geoff and I asked for more discussion of Geoff's proposal (particularly given variations in geoff's proposal
20:48:44 [gpilz1]
me thinks he probably typed that in IRC
20:48:51 [fmaciel]
On (2), decided to use text above by Bob
20:49:03 [fmaciel]
Discussion on (3)
20:50:12 [Bob]
geoff: voting on it is too soon, need more time to discuss. My proposal was only submitted yesterday and there were new comments on the mailing list about it as little as 10 minutes before the start of this call.
20:50:33 [fmaciel]
Text above accepted
20:50:38 [fmaciel]
Discussion on (4)
20:50:59 [dug]
20:51:09 [dug]
Bob asked if anyone's position would change with more discussions and
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no one spoke up. This wasn't specific to Geoff's proposal but rather
20:51:11 [asir]
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to the issue itself.
20:51:24 [Bob]
ack dug
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20:51:56 [Zakim]
20:52:54 [Bob]
ack asir
20:53:00 [Bob]
ack jeff
20:53:51 [Bob]
Will any more discussion change anybody's minds?
20:53:57 [dug]
20:54:09 [Zakim]
20:54:18 [asir]
20:54:21 [Zakim]
20:54:28 [Bob]
ack asir
20:54:30 [Bob]
20:56:14 [jeffm]
20:56:17 [jeffm]
20:56:32 [dug]
the vote was clear on which proposal we were voting on - I didn't hear any objection/confusion on that point.
20:57:10 [Bob]
acj jeff
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ack jeff
20:57:20 [asir]
That is not what we heard ..
20:57:38 [asir]
context is everything!
20:57:49 [gpilz1]
timing is everything
20:57:56 [fmaciel]
Bob will add his recollection of his statement
20:58:17 [gpilz1]
(sorry - as a drummer I have to say that)
20:58:21 [fmaciel]
Aproval of minutes defered until corrections done
20:58:39 [fmaciel]
topic: administratrivia
20:59:37 [fmaciel]
F2F: 11 people attending in person
21:00:22 [Zakim]
21:00:38 [fmaciel]
F2F in November? Need decision in call next week.
21:01:09 [dug]
SoTD note:
21:01:22 [Geoff]
Bob - you were going to talk about the agenda for the F2F?
21:01:23 [fmaciel]
First working draft comments: received comment that front matter not clear why
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is the purpose of document
21:03:39 [dug]
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21:03:53 [Bob]
ack dug
21:04:48 [Geoff]
bob's proposal looks OK to us
21:04:57 [Bob]
ack yves
21:05:01 [Geoff]
+1 to Yves
21:05:13 [dug]
The working group <a>page</a> provides additional information and the related specifications produced by this working group.
21:05:58 [asir]
why not mention the issues list?
21:06:25 [dug]
we discussed and voted on this last week
21:07:06 [fmaciel]
Alternative wording by dug accepted
21:10:46 [fmaciel]
Structure of minutes
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Proposal by Bob on issues for F2F discussion accepted without discussion (Bob: please add details later)
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topic: issue discussion
21:14:51 [fmaciel]
New issues: all accepted, with proposers as owners
21:15:48 [fmaciel]
issues marked as completed changed to closed
21:16:02 [fmaciel]
21:16:10 [Bob]
topic: Issue 6587
21:16:19 [Bob]
proposal at
21:16:32 [Zakim]
21:18:32 [fmaciel]
Curly brackets 1, 2, 4 accepted as partial resolution
21:20:30 [Bob]
rrsagent, make logs public
21:22:34 [Bob]
21:23:48 [Bob]
ack bob
21:24:39 [Geoff]
21:24:58 [gpilz1]
21:26:04 [Bob]
ack geo
21:26:26 [dug]
21:27:21 [Bob]
ack gp
21:28:14 [Geoff]
21:30:12 [dug]
21:31:46 [Bob]
ack geo
21:32:01 [gpilz1]
21:32:11 [Katy]
21:32:19 [dug]
21:33:38 [gpilz1]
21:34:38 [Bob]
ack katy
21:35:08 [Bob]
ack dug
21:36:09 [dug]
no text needed in not.conv. - just let ... say "ignore unknown extensions"
21:36:13 [Geoff]
21:36:15 [Katy]
This text: ... If a receiver does not recognize an extension, the receiver SHOULD ignore it.
21:36:17 [asir]
not consensus
21:36:19 [fmaciel]
Discussion on 3: undecided if it's notational or semantic change
21:36:38 [Bob]
ack geo
21:37:08 [dug]
if the WG says that black is white then of course we can say it :-)
21:39:01 [asir]
Katy - your voice is breaking up a bit on the phone
21:39:09 [gpilz1]
21:39:45 [Bob]
ack gp
21:39:49 [Zakim]
21:40:41 [fmaciel]
Issue 6648 created for SOAP processing for Eventing
21:43:09 [Geoff]
21:43:27 [Bob]
ack geo
21:43:40 [gpilz1]
21:43:40 [dug]
21:44:10 [Bob]
ack gp
21:45:31 [Bob]
21:46:19 [Bob]
proposal, move {3} to a point after notional conventions labeled extensibility behavior
21:46:28 [Bob]
ack dug
21:46:53 [gpilz1]
21:47:58 [asir]
Bob's proposal is consistent with other Web Service specifications
21:48:43 [Geoff]
21:49:24 [asir]
21:50:08 [fmaciel]
Bob's proposal accepted
21:50:18 [dug]
shemp 1,2,4
21:51:15 [Bob]
resolution: resolve 6587 with {1,2,and 4} limit description of ... to simply denote an extensibility point, and move explicit description of extensibility behavior to a new section
21:51:26 [Yves]
21:51:54 [fmaciel]
resolution accepted
21:52:38 [fmaciel]
topic: Issue 6392
21:53:05 [Geoff]
21:53:10 [fmaciel]
proposal, close with no actions
21:53:11 [Bob]
ack bob
21:53:20 [Bob]
ack geo
21:54:28 [fmaciel]
Issue 6392 closed with no action
21:54:34 [Bob]
resolution: 6392 CWNA
21:54:57 [fmaciel]
topic: Issue 6396
21:55:16 [fmaciel]
proposal, close with no actions
21:55:35 [fmaciel]
resolution: 6396 CWNA
21:56:13 [fmaciel]
topic: Issue 6588
21:56:43 [fmaciel]
resolution: 6588 closed
21:57:19 [Zakim]
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21:57:25 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate Yves
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- +1.208.234.aabb
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WS_WSRA()3:30PM has ended
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Attendees were SVij, Bob_Freund, [Microsoft], gpilz, Dug, +1.408.970.aaaa, fmaciel, asir, Tom_Rutt, Prasad_Yendluri, +1.208.234.aabb, Yves, JeffM, Wu_Chou, Don_Wright
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