IRC log of mediaann on 2009-03-03

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Zakim, this will be MAWG

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ok, trackbot, I see IA_MAWG()8:00AM already started

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Meeting: Media Annotations Working Group Teleconference

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Date: 03 March 2009

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+Thierry

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+raphael

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+VeroniqueM

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+??P5

13:01:27 [tmichel]

zakim, who is here ?

13:01:27 [Zakim]

On the phone I see ??P1, ??P2, Thierry, raphael (muted), VeroniqueM, ??P5 (muted)

13:01:28 [daniel]

Veronique is scriber today, are you ready ?

13:01:32 [Zakim]

On IRC I see tmichel, joakim, raphael, veroniqueM, Zakim, RRSAgent, chris, tobias, daniel, fsasaki, trackbot

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+??P7

13:01:41 [tobias]

Zakim, ??P7 is me

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+tobias; got it

13:02:08 [raphael]

zakim, which telecon?

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I don't understand your question, raphael.

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+joakim

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Agenda review and approval of previous minutes telecon 17 February 2009

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http://www.w3.org/2009/02/17-mediaann-minutes.html

13:04:32 [veroniqueM]

previous minutes approved

13:04:44 [veroniqueM]

Selection of scribe for next meeting

13:04:56 [fsasaki]

Felix will scribe next week

13:05:03 [veroniqueM]

no one is appointed yet

13:05:09 [veroniqueM]

any volonteer?

13:05:22 [veroniqueM]

Thierry volunteered as a scribe

13:05:23 [fsasaki]

s/Felix/Thierry/

13:05:28 [tmichel]

Thierry will scribe next week

13:06:09 [veroniqueM]

next week the teleconf will be at the same time

13:06:25 [veroniqueM]

but we have to be careful with the summer time

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no changes for US people

13:06:53 [raphael]

s/the same time/the same US time

13:06:59 [veroniqueM]

people joining from Asia will have to dial one hour earlier

13:07:35 [veroniqueM]

people joining from Europe will have to dial one hour earlier

13:08:38 [veroniqueM]

Daniel: shall we reschedule the teleconf?

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13:09:04 [daniel]

how many members need to change the schedule ?

13:09:05 [tmichel]

I am fine with the 3 weeks one one earlier

13:09:17 [daniel]

+1 for one earlier

13:09:20 [fsasaki]

I have a high preference for not dialing in one hour earlier in Europe (I could not make the call)

13:09:20 [tmichel]

one hour earlier

13:09:25 [raphael]

I'me fine with having the telecon at 13:00 Paris Time for 3 weeks

13:09:30 [tobias]

+1 for one earlier

13:09:33 [chris]

+1 for one earlier

13:09:37 [veroniqueM]

I'me fine with having the telecon at 13:00 Paris Time for 3 weeks

13:09:45 [fsasaki]

+1 for 13:00 for 3 weeks, but not after

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+??P13

13:09:58 [joakim]

doesnt matter to me

13:10:15 [raphael]

zakim, ??P13 is wonsuk

13:10:15 [Zakim]

+wonsuk; got it

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13:11:05 [joakim]

For some reason I can't open the minutes

13:11:09 [veroniqueM]

Daniel: we keep the official schedule and people dialing from Asia and Europe will dial one hour earlier

13:11:26 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/03/03-mediaann-minutes.html raphael

13:11:34 [veroniqueM]

Joakim: can't open the minutes, does anyone else have the same problem?

13:11:40 [raphael]

RRSAgent, makes minutes public

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I'm logging. I don't understand 'makes minutes public', raphael. Try /msg RRSAgent help

13:11:45 [raphael]

RRSAgent, make minutes public

13:11:45 [RRSAgent]

I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minutes public', raphael. Try /msg RRSAgent help

13:11:53 [tmichel]

Chair: please remind people in your next agenda for the new time slot until march 29th

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/03/03-mediaann-minutes.html fsasaki

13:12:55 [joakim]

Now it works!

13:13:14 [veroniqueM]

problem solved: minutes are now accessible

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http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/open

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Action items

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Sorry, bad ACTION syntax

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http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/43

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ACTION-43

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first action is on Felix

13:14:19 [veroniqueM]

action is still pending

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Sorry, couldn't find user - is

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ACTION-43

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ACTION-47

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http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/47

13:15:17 [fsasaki]

felix : action 43 is still pending

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Tobias: action item is still pending

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s/Tobias/Werner/

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http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/54

13:16:30 [daniel]

ACTION-80 is still open

13:16:47 [veroniqueM]

Frank: action still pending, would someone take over?

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http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/80

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Felix: action is still pending

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Thierry: the action should be transfered to me

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http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/82

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is closed

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ACTION 83 is still open

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Sorry, couldn't find user - 83

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84 is done

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close ACTION-84

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ACTION-84 Set up questionnaire for format selection closed

13:20:12 [veroniqueM]

http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/85

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is still open

13:20:33 [veroniqueM]

Felix and Joakim: we should put a schedule on that

13:20:49 [veroniqueM]

... and define how to update the requirement document

13:20:58 [tobias]

Felix, if you need any support: please tell me.

13:21:18 [veroniqueM]

http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/86

13:21:25 [fsasaki]

tobias, yes please!

13:21:45 [fsasaki]

you just need to get CVS access from Thierry, and you can get started

13:21:55 [veroniqueM]

Joakim: has updated it, and will still update it, it seems that there are still some access problems, will take care of that later offline

13:22:09 [veroniqueM]

http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/87

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Joakim: action is still pending

13:22:43 [daniel]

Werner: did you look into the Google Dataset API ?

13:22:54 [daniel]

this is a ACTION-87

13:23:22 [veroniqueM]

http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/88

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action 87 is pending

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Sorry, couldn't find user - 87

13:24:01 [veroniqueM]

Felix: has sent a mail for update propsal

13:24:08 [veroniqueM]

close action 88

13:24:24 [fsasaki]

close action-88

13:24:24 [trackbot]

ACTION-88 Gather material for publishing a recommendation track working draft closed

13:24:34 [veroniqueM]

Topic: Mapping of formats

13:25:07 [veroniqueM]

Daniel: the ontology and api have to be as simple as possible

13:25:40 [veroniqueM]

Daniel: Joakim an Thierry do you have an idea about how to move forward this topic?

13:26:01 [veroniqueM]

Joakim: Pierre Antoine sent an email about ID3 mappings

13:26:23 [veroniqueM]

... and followed up discussion was about the complexity of ontologies

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... not sure what the concensus about it is?

13:26:55 [veroniqueM]

Felix: meantimes we looked into mappings and implementations

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... we don't have a definite conclusion but we can still move forward so it is ok as is

13:27:45 [veroniqueM]

... does anyone think we are going in the wrong direction right now?

13:28:13 [veroniqueM]

... if not it is ok to go on the discussion and comparison of examples

13:28:48 [veroniqueM]

... we take into account abstraction levels existing in the mapping tables: this is fine

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...for example

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... difficult to formulate more specific conclusions now

13:30:08 [veroniqueM]

... we can continue to work on the mapping table and implementations

13:31:17 [veroniqueM]

Daniel: we don't need to implement the whole mapping table

13:31:56 [veroniqueM]

... this is why we have the questionaire of format selection

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... and if someone wants to implement other formats they are welcome

13:33:03 [joakim]

opinion, that even "flat looking" metadata scheme involve several layers of abstraction, and so that our ontology must take this into account, preferably in an explicit way.

13:33:17 [veroniqueM]

Joakim: Pierre Antoine wrote about needed atributes dealing with ID3

13:33:29 [daniel]

fundamental question: are you thinking that we have to implement all mapping tables within our specification ?

13:33:38 [veroniqueM]

... and several layers of abstraction

13:34:09 [raphael]

@Daniel: the survey was sold as an informative way of defining priorities for the work of the group ... and NOT a decision on the formats to consider

13:34:13 [veroniqueM]

... now that we have the mapping table, we should implement them in a more "operationnal" format

13:34:39 [veroniqueM]

Felix: the survey is informative

13:34:44 [raphael]

+1

13:34:53 [daniel]

+1

13:35:08 [wonsuk]

+1

13:35:17 [veroniqueM]

Felix: +1 to Raphael' irc remark

13:35:58 [veroniqueM]

Daniel: I agree with the fact that our ontology and API should be simple

13:36:22 [veroniqueM]

... how many people are willing to implement a mapping?

13:36:54 [veroniqueM]

... who is a volunteer for an implementation?

13:37:39 [veroniqueM]

Joakim: we should publish the mapping table in march, did not mention the volunteering of implentations

13:37:57 [fsasaki]

currently Pierre-Antoine and Felix for toy implementations, but they cover only small bits

13:38:12 [veroniqueM]

Thierry: both PA and Felix have provided a toy implementation, but they do not cover everything

13:38:21 [daniel]

Question: any more volunteers for toy implementation ?

13:38:44 [daniel]

so far, 3 volunteers: PA, Felix and Wonsuk, other volunteers ?

13:38:55 [veroniqueM]

Wonsuk: needs help to design the ontology

13:39:15 [veroniqueM]

... the group has experts in ontology design

13:39:27 [veroniqueM]

... we have to define the language

13:39:37 [veroniqueM]

... can anyone comment on that?

13:39:58 [veroniqueM]

... would be very useful for his toy implementation

13:41:04 [veroniqueM]

Daniel: it seems that the working group has to get some guidelines for designing an ontology

13:41:19 [veroniqueM]

Joakim: I can volunteer for this

13:42:36 [veroniqueM]

... but how do you see the relation between the toy ontology, the toy implementation and the final ontology to deliver?

13:43:26 [veroniqueM]

Felix: the delivery is open to everything, the ontology can be prose. formal representation and whatever language

13:43:51 [veroniqueM]

... any kind of language is ok

13:44:26 [veroniqueM]

Joakim: people developping toy implementation should document what language they are building upon

13:45:01 [veroniqueM]

Daniel: the documentation process is not part of our work, is it?

13:45:01 [raphael]

zakim, ack tobias

13:45:01 [Zakim]

tobias, you wanted to tell the group about the initiative Veronique and Tobias started to map XMP->DC->VRA using semantics

13:45:04 [Zakim]

I see no one on the speaker queue

13:45:44 [veroniqueM]

Tobias: Vero and I have started working on the mapping of the rdf representations of XMP to dublin core and vra

13:46:01 [veroniqueM]

... this can also be considered as a toy application

13:46:31 [veroniqueM]

Daniel: do we need an action item for ontology design guidelines?

13:46:46 [veroniqueM]

Joakim: agrres but tooo big task for himself alone

13:47:01 [veroniqueM]

Wonsuk: making a wikipage would be useful

13:47:22 [veroniqueM]

Daniel: let's continue this on the mailing list

13:48:16 [veroniqueM]

Joakim: will try to make a more publishable version of the mapping table, this could be a good starting point for this ontology design guideline

13:48:40 [veroniqueM]

Topic: editors for the documents

13:48:54 [veroniqueM]

Daniel: do we need editors for the guidelines?

13:49:30 [veroniqueM]

... we have a good editor team from the UC and REQ document

13:49:37 [tobias]

I can also contribute.

13:49:48 [veroniqueM]

Joakim: I could also contribute to the edition of documents

13:50:15 [fsasaki]

I can continue to contribute

13:50:16 [veroniqueM]

... candidates for new editorial team: Tobias, Joakim,

13:50:24 [veroniqueM]

... Felix

13:50:53 [wonsuk]

I can also contribute..

13:51:11 [veroniqueM]

... Vero can also contribute (moderately)

13:51:22 [veroniqueM]

... Wonsuk too

13:51:34 [chris]

I can contribute too

13:52:13 [veroniqueM]

Topic: Questionnaire: Survey of Mapping Formats

13:52:24 [veroniqueM]

Joakim: did not get feedback yet

13:52:53 [veroniqueM]

Thierry: we have a low rate of feedback on the questionaire

13:53:14 [veroniqueM]

Joakim: would be interesting to know who answered

13:53:48 [veroniqueM]

Daniel: we should re-open the questionaire and rise the question to the mailing list

13:54:17 [veroniqueM]

Thierry: I can re-open the questionnaire, till the next telecon

13:54:40 [veroniqueM]

... will draw conclusions March 10

13:54:40 [daniel]

reopen until March 10

13:54:55 [raphael]

zakim, q+ to talk about TAG investigation around metadata, see http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2009/02/metadata-survey.html

13:54:55 [Zakim]

I see raphael on the speaker queue

13:55:04 [raphael]

zakim, ack me

13:55:04 [Zakim]

unmuting raphael

13:55:05 [Zakim]

raphael, you wanted to talk about TAG investigation around metadata, see http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2009/02/metadata-survey.html

13:55:07 [Zakim]

I see no one on the speaker queue

13:55:21 [veroniqueM]

Chris Poppe from IBBT also volunteers to contribute as an editor

13:56:07 [veroniqueM]

Raphael: the tag group has been very active and publishing a page about metadata

13:56:20 [veroniqueM]

... the group should look at that page

13:56:33 [veroniqueM]

Daniel: any other issue?

13:56:48 [daniel]

bye

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/03/03-mediaann-minutes.html raphael

13:56:54 [Zakim]

-raphael

13:56:56 [tobias]

bye

13:57:01 [chris]

bye

13:57:02 [Zakim]

-tobias

13:57:04 [Zakim]

-wonsuk

13:57:12 [veroniqueM]

ds :)

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-??P2

13:57:31 [Zakim]

-??P1

13:57:32 [veroniqueM]

waou!

13:58:05 [Zakim]

-VeroniqueM

13:58:12 [Zakim]

-Thierry

13:58:18 [joakim]

zakim, who s here?

13:58:18 [Zakim]

I don't understand your question, joakim.

13:58:25 [joakim]

zakim, who is here?

13:58:25 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Felix, joakim

13:58:28 [Zakim]

On IRC I see wonsuk, tmichel, joakim, raphael, veroniqueM, Zakim, RRSAgent, chris, daniel, fsasaki, trackbot

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-joakim

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-Felix

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IA_MAWG()8:00AM has ended

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Attendees were Thierry, raphael, VeroniqueM, Felix, tobias, joakim, wonsuk

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