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12:59:49 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be MAWG
12:59:49 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see IA_MAWG()8:00AM already started
12:59:50 <trackbot> Meeting: Media Annotations Working Group Teleconference
12:59:50 <trackbot> Date: 03 March 2009
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13:01:27 <tmichel> zakim, who is here ?
13:01:27 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P1, ??P2, Thierry, raphael (muted), VeroniqueM, ??P5 (muted)
13:01:28 <daniel> Veronique is scriber today, are you ready ?
13:01:32 <Zakim> On IRC I see tmichel, joakim, raphael, veroniqueM, Zakim, RRSAgent, chris, tobias, daniel, fsasaki, trackbot
13:01:36 <Zakim> +??P7
13:01:41 <tobias> Zakim, ??P7 is me
13:01:48 <Zakim> +tobias; got it
13:02:08 <raphael> zakim, which telecon?
13:02:18 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, raphael.
13:02:34 <Zakim> +joakim
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13:03:50 <veroniqueM> Agenda review and approval of previous minutes telecon 17 February 2009
13:03:52 <daniel> http://www.w3.org/2009/02/17-mediaann-minutes.html
13:04:32 <veroniqueM> previous minutes approved
13:04:44 <veroniqueM> Selection of scribe for next meeting
13:04:56 <fsasaki> Felix will scribe next week
13:05:03 <veroniqueM> no one is appointed yet
13:05:09 <veroniqueM> any volonteer?
13:05:22 <veroniqueM> Thierry volunteered as a scribe
13:05:23 <fsasaki> s/Felix/Thierry/
13:05:28 <tmichel> Thierry will scribe next week
13:06:09 <veroniqueM> next week the teleconf will be at the same time
13:06:25 <veroniqueM> but we have to be careful with the summer time
13:06:37 <veroniqueM> no changes for US people
13:06:53 <raphael> s/the same time/the same US time
13:06:59 <veroniqueM> people joining from Asia will have to dial one hour earlier
13:07:35 <veroniqueM> people joining from Europe will have to dial one hour earlier
13:08:38 <veroniqueM> Daniel: shall we reschedule the teleconf?
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13:09:04 <daniel> how many members need to change the schedule ?
13:09:05 <tmichel> I am fine with the 3 weeks one one earlier
13:09:17 <daniel> +1 for one earlier
13:09:20 <fsasaki> I have a high preference for not dialing in one hour earlier in Europe (I could not make the call)
13:09:20 <tmichel> one hour earlier
13:09:25 <raphael> I'me fine with having the telecon at 13:00 Paris Time for 3 weeks
13:09:30 <tobias> +1 for one earlier
13:09:33 <chris> +1 for one earlier
13:09:37 <veroniqueM> I'me fine with having the telecon at 13:00 Paris Time for 3 weeks
13:09:45 <fsasaki> +1 for 13:00 for 3 weeks, but not after
13:09:47 <Zakim> +??P13
13:09:58 <joakim> doesnt matter to me
13:10:15 <raphael> zakim, ??P13 is wonsuk
13:10:15 <Zakim> +wonsuk; got it
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13:11:05 <joakim> For some reason I can't open the minutes
13:11:09 <veroniqueM> Daniel: we keep the official schedule and people dialing from Asia and Europe will dial one hour earlier
13:11:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/03/03-mediaann-minutes.html raphael
13:11:34 <veroniqueM> Joakim: can't open the minutes, does anyone else have the same problem?
13:11:40 <raphael> RRSAgent, makes minutes public
13:11:40 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'makes minutes public', raphael.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
13:11:45 <raphael> RRSAgent, make minutes public
13:11:45 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minutes public', raphael.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
13:11:53 <tmichel> Chair: please remind people in your next agenda for the new time slot until march 29th 
13:12:11 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/03/03-mediaann-minutes.html fsasaki
13:12:55 <joakim> Now it works!
13:13:14 <veroniqueM> problem solved: minutes are now accessible
13:13:23 <daniel> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/open
13:13:24 <veroniqueM> Action items
13:13:24 <trackbot> Sorry, bad ACTION syntax
13:13:55 <veroniqueM> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/43
13:14:02 <daniel> ACTION-43 
13:14:08 <veroniqueM> first action is on Felix
13:14:19 <veroniqueM> action is still pending
13:14:19 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - is
13:15:02 <daniel> ACTION-43 
13:15:08 <daniel> ACTION-47
13:15:14 <veroniqueM> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/47
13:15:17 <fsasaki> felix : action 43 is still pending
13:15:39 <veroniqueM> Tobias: action item is still pending
13:16:00 <veroniqueM> s/Tobias/Werner/
13:16:20 <veroniqueM> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/54
13:16:30 <daniel> ACTION-80 is still open
13:16:47 <veroniqueM> Frank: action still pending, would someone take over?
13:17:25 <veroniqueM> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/80
13:18:05 <veroniqueM> Felix: action is still pending
13:18:26 <veroniqueM> Thierry: the action should be transfered to me
13:18:54 <veroniqueM> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/82
13:19:00 <veroniqueM> is closed
13:19:23 <veroniqueM> ACTION 83 is still open
13:19:23 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - 83
13:19:33 <veroniqueM> 84 is done
13:19:41 <raphael> close ACTION-84
13:19:42 <trackbot> ACTION-84 Set up questionnaire for format selection closed
13:20:12 <veroniqueM> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/85
13:20:17 <veroniqueM> is still open
13:20:33 <veroniqueM> Felix and Joakim: we should put a schedule on that
13:20:49 <veroniqueM> ... and define how to update the requirement document
13:20:58 <tobias> Felix, if you need any support: please tell me.
13:21:18 <veroniqueM> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/86
13:21:25 <fsasaki> tobias, yes please!
13:21:45 <fsasaki> you just need to get CVS access from Thierry, and you can get started
13:21:55 <veroniqueM> Joakim: has updated it, and will still update it, it seems that there are still some access problems, will take care of that later offline
13:22:09 <veroniqueM> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/87
13:22:21 <veroniqueM> Joakim: action is still pending
13:22:43 <daniel> Werner: did you look into the Google Dataset API ?
13:22:54 <daniel> this is a ACTION-87
13:23:22 <veroniqueM> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Annotations/track/actions/88
13:23:36 <wbailer> action 87 is pending
13:23:36 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - 87
13:24:01 <veroniqueM> Felix: has sent a mail for update propsal
13:24:08 <veroniqueM> close action 88
13:24:24 <fsasaki> close action-88
13:24:24 <trackbot> ACTION-88 Gather material for publishing a recommendation track working draft closed
13:24:34 <veroniqueM> Topic: Mapping of formats
13:25:07 <veroniqueM> Daniel: the ontology and api have to be as simple as possible
13:25:40 <veroniqueM> Daniel: Joakim an Thierry do you have an idea about how to move forward this topic?
13:26:01 <veroniqueM> Joakim: Pierre Antoine sent an email about ID3 mappings
13:26:23 <veroniqueM> ... and followed up discussion was about the complexity of ontologies
13:26:36 <veroniqueM> ... not sure what the concensus about it is?
13:26:55 <veroniqueM> Felix: meantimes we looked into mappings and implementations
13:27:19 <veroniqueM> ... we don't have a definite conclusion but we can still move forward so it is ok as is
13:27:45 <veroniqueM> ... does anyone think we are going in the wrong direction right now?
13:28:13 <veroniqueM> ... if not it is ok to go on the discussion and comparison of examples
13:28:48 <veroniqueM> ... we take into account abstraction levels existing in the mapping tables: this is fine
13:29:02 <veroniqueM> ...for example
13:29:25 <veroniqueM> ... difficult to formulate more specific conclusions now
13:30:08 <veroniqueM> ... we can continue to work on the mapping table and implementations
13:31:17 <veroniqueM> Daniel: we don't need to implement the whole mapping table
13:31:56 <veroniqueM> ... this is why we have the questionaire of format selection 
13:32:22 <veroniqueM> ... and if someone wants to implement other formats they are welcome
13:33:03 <joakim> opinion, that even "flat looking" metadata scheme involve several layers of abstraction, and so that our ontology must take this into account, preferably in an explicit way.
13:33:17 <veroniqueM> Joakim: Pierre Antoine wrote about needed atributes dealing with ID3
13:33:29 <daniel> fundamental question: are you thinking that we have to implement all mapping tables within our specification ?
13:33:38 <veroniqueM> ... and several layers of abstraction
13:34:09 <raphael> @Daniel: the survey was sold as an informative way of defining priorities for the work of the group ... and NOT a decision on the formats to consider
13:34:13 <veroniqueM> ... now that we have the mapping table, we should implement them in a more "operationnal" format
13:34:39 <veroniqueM> Felix: the survey is informative
13:34:44 <raphael> +1
13:34:53 <daniel> +1
13:35:08 <wonsuk> +1
13:35:17 <veroniqueM> Felix: +1 to Raphael' irc remark
13:35:58 <veroniqueM> Daniel: I agree with the fact that our ontology and API should be simple
13:36:22 <veroniqueM> ... how many people are willing to implement a mapping?
13:36:54 <veroniqueM> ... who is a volunteer for an implementation?
13:37:39 <veroniqueM> Joakim: we should publish the mapping table in march, did not mention the volunteering of implentations
13:37:57 <fsasaki> currently Pierre-Antoine and Felix for toy implementations, but they cover only small bits
13:38:12 <veroniqueM> Thierry: both PA and Felix have provided a toy implementation, but they do not cover everything
13:38:21 <daniel> Question: any more volunteers for toy implementation ?
13:38:44 <daniel> so far, 3 volunteers: PA, Felix and Wonsuk, other volunteers ?
13:38:55 <veroniqueM> Wonsuk: needs help to design the ontology
13:39:15 <veroniqueM> ... the group has experts in ontology design
13:39:27 <veroniqueM> ... we have to define the language
13:39:37 <veroniqueM> ... can anyone comment on that?
13:39:58 <veroniqueM> ... would be very useful for his toy implementation
13:41:04 <veroniqueM> Daniel: it seems that the working group has to get some guidelines for designing an ontology
13:41:19 <veroniqueM> Joakim: I can volunteer for this
13:42:36 <veroniqueM> ... but how do you see the relation between the toy ontology, the toy implementation and the final ontology to deliver?
13:43:26 <veroniqueM> Felix: the delivery is open to everything, the ontology can be prose. formal representation and whatever language
13:43:51 <veroniqueM> ... any kind of language is ok
13:44:26 <veroniqueM> Joakim: people developping toy implementation should document what language they are building upon
13:45:01 <veroniqueM> Daniel: the documentation process is not part of our work, is it?
13:45:01 <raphael> zakim, ack tobias
13:45:01 <Zakim> tobias, you wanted to tell the group about the initiative Veronique and Tobias started to map XMP->DC->VRA using semantics
13:45:04 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
13:45:44 <veroniqueM> Tobias: Vero and I have started working on the mapping of the rdf representations of XMP to dublin core and vra
13:46:01 <veroniqueM> ... this can also be considered as a toy application
13:46:31 <veroniqueM> Daniel: do we need an action item for ontology design guidelines?
13:46:46 <veroniqueM> Joakim: agrres but tooo big task for himself alone
13:47:01 <veroniqueM> Wonsuk: making a wikipage would be useful
13:47:22 <veroniqueM> Daniel: let's continue this on the mailing list
13:48:16 <veroniqueM> Joakim: will try to make a more publishable version of the mapping table, this could be a good starting point for this ontology design guideline
13:48:40 <veroniqueM> Topic: editors for the documents
13:48:54 <veroniqueM> Daniel: do we need editors for the guidelines?
13:49:30 <veroniqueM> ... we have a good editor team from the UC and REQ document
13:49:37 <tobias> I can also contribute.
13:49:48 <veroniqueM> Joakim: I could also contribute to the edition of documents
13:50:15 <fsasaki> I can continue to contribute
13:50:16 <veroniqueM> ... candidates for new editorial team: Tobias, Joakim, 
13:50:24 <veroniqueM> ... Felix
13:50:53 <wonsuk> I can also contribute..
13:51:11 <veroniqueM> ... Vero can also contribute (moderately)
13:51:22 <veroniqueM> ... Wonsuk too
13:51:34 <chris> I can contribute too
13:52:13 <veroniqueM> Topic: Questionnaire: Survey of Mapping Formats
13:52:24 <veroniqueM> Joakim: did not get feedback yet
13:52:53 <veroniqueM> Thierry: we have a low rate of feedback on the questionaire
13:53:14 <veroniqueM> Joakim: would be interesting to know who answered
13:53:48 <veroniqueM> Daniel: we should re-open the questionaire and rise the question to the mailing list
13:54:17 <veroniqueM> Thierry: I can re-open the questionnaire, till the next telecon
13:54:40 <veroniqueM> ... will draw conclusions March 10
13:54:40 <daniel> reopen until March 10
13:54:55 <raphael> zakim, q+ to talk about TAG investigation around metadata, see http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2009/02/metadata-survey.html
13:54:55 <Zakim> I see raphael on the speaker queue
13:55:04 <raphael> zakim, ack me
13:55:04 <Zakim> unmuting raphael
13:55:05 <Zakim> raphael, you wanted to talk about TAG investigation around metadata, see http://www.w3.org/2001/tag/2009/02/metadata-survey.html
13:55:07 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
13:55:21 <veroniqueM> Chris Poppe from IBBT also volunteers to contribute as an editor
13:56:07 <veroniqueM> Raphael: the tag group has been very active and publishing a page about metadata
13:56:20 <veroniqueM> ... the group should look at that page
13:56:33 <veroniqueM> Daniel: any other issue?
13:56:48 <daniel> bye
13:56:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/03/03-mediaann-minutes.html raphael
13:56:54 <Zakim> -raphael
13:56:56 <tobias> bye
13:57:01 <chris> bye
13:57:02 <Zakim> -tobias
13:57:04 <Zakim> -wonsuk
13:57:12 <veroniqueM> ds :)
13:57:30 <Zakim> -??P2
13:57:31 <Zakim> -??P1
13:57:32 <veroniqueM> waou!
13:58:05 <Zakim> -VeroniqueM
13:58:12 <Zakim> -Thierry
13:58:18 <joakim> zakim, who s here?
13:58:18 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, joakim.
13:58:25 <joakim> zakim, who is here?
13:58:25 <Zakim> On the phone I see Felix, joakim
13:58:28 <Zakim> On IRC I see wonsuk, tmichel, joakim, raphael, veroniqueM, Zakim, RRSAgent, chris, daniel, fsasaki, trackbot
14:08:33 <Zakim> -joakim
14:08:35 <Zakim> -Felix
14:08:37 <Zakim> IA_MAWG()8:00AM has ended
14:08:39 <Zakim> Attendees were Thierry, raphael, VeroniqueM, Felix, tobias, joakim, wonsuk
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