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10:03:09 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be IA_MFWG
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10:03:10 <trackbot> Meeting: Media Fragments Working Group Teleconference
10:03:10 <trackbot> Date: 25 February 2009
10:03:22 <Gui> Gui has joined #mediafrag
10:03:32 <raphael> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2009Feb/0067.html
10:03:39 <raphael> Regrets: Michael
10:03:50 <raphael> Chair: Erik, Raphael
10:03:56 <Zakim> + +06128012aabb
10:04:06 <raphael> Scribe: Silvia
10:04:14 <raphael> zakim, aabb is nessy
10:04:14 <Zakim> +nessy; got it
10:04:23 <raphael> scribenick: nessy
10:04:33 <Zakim> +Yves
10:04:33 <raphael> RRSAgent, draft minutes
10:04:33 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/02/25-mediafrag-minutes.html raphael
10:04:40 <raphael> RRSAgent, make logs public
10:04:51 <raphael> zakim, who is here?
10:04:51 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P2, raphael, nessy, Yves
10:04:52 <Zakim> On IRC I see Gui, Zakim, RRSAgent, erik, davy, raphael, conrad, nessy, trackbot, Yves
10:05:00 <Zakim> +Gui
10:05:13 <davy> zakim, ??P2 is erik
10:05:13 <Zakim> +erik; got it
10:05:19 <davy> zakim, davy is with erik
10:05:19 <Zakim> +davy; got it
10:05:35 <raphael> Present: Erik, Raphael, Guillaume, Silvia, Davy, Yves, Conrad (irc)
10:05:41 <raphael> Regrets+: Jack
10:05:42 <Zakim> +??P6
10:06:11 <raphael> zakim, ??P6 is conrad
10:06:11 <Zakim> +conrad; got it
10:06:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/02/25-mediafrag-minutes.html raphael
10:07:11 <nessy> 1. ADMIN
10:07:25 <nessy> welcome to Conrad as new invited expert
10:07:35 <nessy> Conrad introduce himself
10:07:45 <nessy> ... worked on Annodex for a while
10:07:56 <nessy> ... recently worked on timed URI servers
10:08:07 <nessy> ... in corporation with Xiph.org, Mozilla and Wikipedia
10:08:21 <nessy> ... keen to provide input
10:08:24 <nessy> ... is in Japan
10:08:36 <nessy> ... 2 hours behind Silvia
10:08:55 <nessy> ... might provide one more implementation of the specification
10:09:37 <nessy> ... I'm a PhD student at Kyoto university, currently contracting for Mozilla/Wikipedia, but independent expert
10:09:58 <nessy> Rapahel proposes to accept minutes of 11th Feb
10:09:58 <nessy> http://www.w3.org/2009/02/11-mediafrag-minutes.html
10:10:02 <davy> +1
10:10:05 <erik> +1
10:10:05 <nessy> +1
10:10:05 <raphael> s/1. ADMIN/Topic: 1. ADMIN
10:10:06 <Gui> +1
10:10:35 <nessy> Next F2F meeting (Barcelona, 16-17 April):
10:10:35 <nessy> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2009Feb/0046.html
10:11:00 <nessy> ... Michael, Raphael will be there
10:11:05 <erik> q+
10:11:13 <nessy> ... who else will be there?
10:11:15 <raphael> zakim, ack erik
10:11:15 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
10:11:46 <nessy> ... Davy and Eric will be there, too
10:12:06 <Gui> zakim, unmute me
10:12:06 <Zakim> Gui should no longer be muted
10:12:07 <nessy> ... Silvia apologizes
10:12:40 <nessy> ... can participate via irc & phone
10:12:45 <nessy> ... will send availability
10:12:57 <nessy> ... Conrad is trying to work out a way
10:14:02 <nessy> ... Silvia & Conrad, if paper to W4A conf is accepted, one has to be there
10:15:09 <nessy> ... Guillaume also has a paper in W4A
10:15:19 <Gui> zakim, mute me
10:15:19 <Zakim> Gui should now be muted
10:15:37 <nessy> ... Raphael will ask again next week re attendance at next F2F
10:15:42 <erik> +q
10:15:51 <nessy> ... for those who cannot attend, highly recommended to be available on phone and irc
10:16:10 <nessy> ... Erik thinks phone hook up last time worked well
10:16:22 <nessy> ... Yves will take care of zakim bridge
10:17:01 <nessy> ACTION: Yves to take care of zakim  bridge for F2F
10:17:01 <trackbot> Created ACTION-44 - Take care of zakim  bridge for F2F [on Yves Lafon - due 2009-03-04].
10:17:39 <nessy> Topic: Future Participants
10:18:15 <nessy> close ACTION-20
10:18:15 <trackbot> ACTION-20 Check with Wolfgang whether he is still interested in this WG closed
10:18:37 <nessy> Wolfgang has left the Uni and won't be available
10:18:58 <nessy> close ACTION-18
10:18:58 <trackbot> ACTION-18 See with Marie Claire who from Daily Motion can join closed
10:19:25 <nessy> Dailymotion hasn't got enough interest
10:19:35 <nessy> close ACTION-21
10:19:35 <trackbot> ACTION-21 Check with Philippe the status of Cisco (Paul Bosso), Apple (Dave Singer or Eric Carlson) closed
10:19:58 <nessy> we'll wait if Philippe has a suggestion for an alternative contact
10:20:06 <nessy> Topic: PREPARATION OF WORKING DRAFT
10:20:17 <nessy> 3.1 WD Template:
10:20:24 <nessy> close ACTION-33
10:20:24 <trackbot> ACTION-33 Start the template of the document closed
10:20:45 <nessy> Raphael has prepared a template
10:21:39 <raphael> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/WD-media-fragments-reqs/
10:22:06 <nessy> ... will check in html files
10:22:25 <erik> q+
10:22:29 <nessy> ... will send reminder on who is responsible for which section
10:22:52 <raphael> zakim, ack erik
10:22:52 <Zakim> I see no one on the speaker queue
10:23:29 <nessy> Erik suggests to add hard deadlines to the sections, so we can go towards our milestones
10:23:56 <nessy> Raphael suggests that a week per sections may be do-able because it's a straight copy from the wiki
10:24:02 <nessy> Erik agrees
10:24:38 <nessy> ... asks, when we want the document to be posted/published, so we can work backwards towards deadlines
10:24:51 <nessy> Raphael says that our first working draft was due by end of January
10:24:58 <nessy> ... we should have it all ready by mid march
10:25:14 <erik> +1
10:25:32 <nessy> ... mostly 2-3 teleconfs to finalize
10:25:37 <nessy> ... will send reminder email
10:25:51 <nessy> 3.2 Syntax:
10:25:59 <raphael> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2009Feb/0032.html
10:26:03 <nessy> Time formats: Jack (ACTION-28) and follow-up thread
10:26:04 <nessy> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-fragment/2009Feb/0013.html
10:27:04 <nessy> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/Syntax#Dimensions
10:27:47 <nessy> Conrad will post more comments
10:28:03 <nessy> close ACTION-41
10:28:03 <trackbot> ACTION-41 Rewrite Syntax in ABNF based on RFC4234 closed
10:28:23 <nessy> Yves has posted a ABNF
10:29:00 <nessy> Michael suggested to write the generic rule at the top and go into more detail further down
10:29:25 <nessy> Yves reckons this is a matter of taste
10:30:18 <nessy> Yves will add more details to link it to the original URI spec
10:31:28 <nessy> Raphael thinks we decided to have either a named fragment or a combination of the others
10:31:29 <Gui> http://www.w3.org/2008/WebVideo/Fragments/wiki/Syntax#Formal_Grammar
10:31:33 <nessy> ... this is not represented right now
10:31:56 <nessy> Yves thinks this is hard to capture in the production rule, and better to describe in text
10:32:10 <nessy> Let's give this a try and see what comments we get back
10:32:22 <Gui> zakim, unmute me
10:32:22 <Zakim> Gui should no longer be muted
10:32:34 <nessy> 3.3 Use Cases & Requirements Discussion
10:32:56 <nessy> close ACTION-43
10:32:56 <trackbot> ACTION-43 Incorporate changes proposed by reviewers of the Use Case and Requirements Wiki page closed
10:33:08 <nessy> Gui has made changes, but wants to bring up a few points
10:33:24 <nessy> ... will send an email that summarises the changes
10:33:48 <nessy> ... wants to add a use case
10:34:17 <Gui> https://wiki.mozilla.org/images/thumb/4/40/Model_Video_Resource.jpg/800px-Model_Video_Resource.jpg 
10:34:22 <nessy> ... wants to add a picture
10:34:49 <nessy> ... do we want to add this picture as a line graph
10:35:03 <nessy> Raphael & Silvia agree
10:35:25 <nessy> Gui will send email and add graph
10:36:45 <nessy> we need time to go through changes and have possibly a further discussion
10:37:22 <Gui> zakim, mute me
10:37:22 <Zakim> Gui should now be muted
10:37:26 <nessy> Gui encourages everybody to re-read the use cases page
10:38:04 <nessy> Silvia will do thorough review before including into WD
10:38:13 <nessy> 3.4 Existing Technologies Survey (Erik)
10:38:56 <nessy> close ACTION-16
10:38:56 <trackbot> ACTION-16 Go through the email lists to list different solutions used to identify fragments, and populate the wiki closed
10:39:28 <nessy> Erik will do ACTION-23 by next week
10:39:41 <nessy> close ACTION-24
10:39:41 <trackbot> ACTION-24 (through extra info from Felix) to ask Adobe (Larry) more info about xmpMM:Ingredients closed
10:39:54 <nessy> information also gathered from Media Annotations WG
10:40:01 <nessy> 3.5 HTTP implementation (Raphael)
10:40:18 <nessy> Raphael has long-standing action on 2-way and 4-way handshake description
10:40:45 <nessy> 2-way is in wiki
10:40:55 <nessy> 4-way is started
10:41:03 <nessy> ... will try to finish it today
10:41:28 <nessy> ... will send email to start discussion
10:41:49 <nessy> Topic: Issues
10:42:04 <Zakim> -conrad
10:42:08 <nessy> Michael is still working on ACTION-42 and ISSUE-3
10:42:30 <nessy> Topic: Implementation
10:42:42 <nessy> ongoing discussion
10:42:50 <nessy> ... right now we have focus on getting WD out
10:43:03 <nessy> ... discuss this again when we are happy about WD
10:43:12 <nessy> Topic: AOB
10:43:26 <erik> none
10:43:29 <nessy> none
10:43:44 <nessy> Raphael thanks everybody for joining and closes the meeting
10:43:48 <Zakim> + +81.80.614.3.aacc
10:44:04 <Gui> thanks bye bye
10:44:08 <Zakim> -Yves
10:44:10 <Zakim> -raphael
10:44:10 <raphael> adjourned
10:44:12 <Zakim> -Gui
10:44:14 <Zakim> - +81.80.614.3.aacc
10:44:17 <raphael> RRSAgent, draft minutes
10:44:17 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/02/25-mediafrag-minutes.html raphael
10:44:18 <Zakim> -nessy
10:44:53 <Yves> sure
10:44:59 <Zakim> -erik
10:45:00 <Zakim> IA_MFWG()5:00AM has ended
10:45:02 <Zakim> Attendees were +61.2.801.2.aaaa, raphael, +06128012aabb, nessy, Yves, Gui, erik, davy, conrad, +81.80.614.3.aacc
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10:48:04 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2009/02/25-mediafrag-actions.rdf :
10:48:04 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Yves to take care of zakim  bridge for F2F [1]
10:48:04 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/02/25-mediafrag-irc#T10-17-01