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15:58:42 <Ralph> Meeting: Semantic Web Deployment Working Group
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15:58:49 <Ralph> zakim, this will be swd
15:58:49 <Zakim> ok, Ralph; I see SW_SWD()11:00AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes
15:58:57 <Ralph> rrsagent, please make record public
15:59:01 <Ralph> Chair: Guus
15:59:07 <Ralph> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Feb/0058.html
15:59:24 <Ralph> -> http://www.w3.org/2009/02/10-swd-minutes.html previous 2009-02-10
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16:01:40 <Ralph> zakim, ??p9 is Guus
16:01:40 <Zakim> +Guus; got it
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16:04:12 <Zakim> +TomB; got it
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16:04:44 <Ralph> zakim, bcuencag is Alistair
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16:04:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/02/24-swd-minutes.html TomB
16:05:03 <aliman> 41$
16:05:08 <aliman> 41#
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16:05:35 <Antoine> zakim, aaaa is me
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16:06:13 <Ralph> scribe: Ralph
16:06:17 <Guus> zakim, who is here?
16:06:17 <Zakim> On the phone I see Ralph, Guus, Alistair, TomB (muted), Antoine
16:06:18 <Zakim> On IRC I see Antoine, TomB, aliman, Guus, Zakim, RRSAgent, Ralph
16:07:05 <Ralph> Topic: Admin
16:07:22 <Ralph> RESOLVED to accept http://www.w3.org/2009/02/10-swd-minutes.html as minutes of previous telecon
16:07:31 <Ralph> PROPOSED next telecon 10 March
16:09:01 <Ralph> Ralph: note that the telcon time will be at 1500 UTC on March 10 and subsequent
16:09:24 <Ralph> ... i.e. 1 hour earlier for Europeans
16:09:33 <TomB> +1
16:09:43 <Ralph> RESOLVED next telecon 10 March, 1500 UTC
16:09:47 <Ralph> Topic: SKOS
16:10:18 <Ralph> Ralph: I pinged the chair of I18N yesterday
16:10:23 <Ralph> ... no response yet
16:11:09 <Ralph> ... but Richard Ishida did ask if we were going to reply to http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Feb/0010.html
16:12:01 <Zakim> +Ben_Adida
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16:12:16 <Ralph> ... Felix Sasaki followed that up; http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Feb/0011.html
16:12:49 <Ralph> Guus: we won't be able to solve all the problems of concepts in different languages
16:13:18 <Ralph> Alistair: when I read Felix's response he seemed to be explaining the theories of thesaurii in various languages
16:13:27 <Ralph> ... so there didn't really seem to be an issue; just a dialog
16:13:45 <Ralph> Guus: perhaps making that statement would be an appropriate followup from us
16:14:32 <Ralph> ACTION: Alistair look at Richard Ishida and Felix Sasaki's messages in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Feb/thread.html#msg10 and see if there's an issue
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16:16:00 <seanb> zakim, ??P54 is me
16:16:00 <Zakim> +seanb; got it
16:17:03 <Ralph> [CONTINUES] ACTION: Ralph include in the Call for Implementation prose on "feedback on implementations of SKOS Editors and Checkers" [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/02/10-swd-minutes.html#action07]
16:17:11 <Ralph> Topic: SKOS Ontology
16:17:28 <Ralph> [DONE] ACTION: Alistair update the RDF file for response to Magnus Knuth's comment [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/02/10-swd-minutes.html#action03]
16:18:21 <Ralph> s/DONE/CONTINUES
16:18:29 <Ralph> Alistair: I believe I've done this and thought I'd sent mail
16:18:35 <Ralph> ... will find that mail
16:19:08 <Ralph> s/CONTINUES/DONE
16:19:27 <Ralph> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Feb/0029.html "Re: ISSUE-190: Last Call Comment: Unicity of prefLabel (comment in SKOS RDF)" [Alistair 2009-02-10]
16:19:42 <aliman> thanks ralph, that's it
16:19:48 <Ralph> [DONE] ACTION: Antoine raise and close an issue for Magnus Knuth's comment [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/02/10-swd-minutes.html#action02]
16:20:02 <Ralph> Antoine: action should have read "raise and open"
16:20:05 <Ralph> Ralph: yep
16:20:13 <Antoine> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Feb/0027.html
16:20:36 <Ralph> Topic: SKOS Primer
16:20:49 <Ralph> Antoine: there might still be updates to the Primer
16:21:17 <Antoine> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-esw-thes/2009Feb/0069.html
16:21:27 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/02/24-swd-minutes.html TomB
16:21:41 <Ralph> Antoine: Pat Hayes read the Primer and commented on a misleading sentence
16:21:56 <Ralph> ... I proposed one rewrite, and Alistair proposed a different one
16:22:11 <Ralph> ... then I received mail from Pat accepting my rewrite
16:22:21 <Ralph> Alistair: go ahead with your version
16:22:48 <Ralph> ACTION: Antoine provide a pointer to the new Primer Editor's Draft
16:23:17 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/02/24-swd-minutes.html Ralph
16:23:43 <Ralph> Antoine: Pat neglected to cc: his reply to a list, so his approval of my text isn't on a record
16:23:53 <Ralph> Guus: just include Pat's reply in your mail
16:24:43 <Ralph> topic: Implementation Report
16:24:51 <seanb> http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/573036/SWD/implementation.html
16:24:57 <Ralph> Sean: start of implementation report
16:25:14 <Ralph> ... best thing is to keep it simple
16:25:46 <Ralph> [CONTINUES] ACTION: Sean to report on SKOSED for SKOS implementation report [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/06-swd-minutes.html#action10]
16:25:46 <Ralph>  
16:26:07 <seanb> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Feb/0061.html
16:26:33 <Ralph> regrets+ Margherita
16:27:11 <Ralph> s/->//
16:27:32 <Ralph> Guus: I think it's OK to close Sean's action given the draft
16:27:47 <Ralph> ... http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/573036/SWD/implementation.html is the kind of implement I was hoping for
16:27:52 <Ralph> s/[CONTINUES]/[DONE]/
16:28:04 <Ralph> Sean: it's hard to pin down some things
16:28:27 <Ralph> ... so it's necessarily somewhat informal
16:29:15 <seanb> From the OED: wooly: " 6. transf. and fig. Lacking in definiteness or incisiveness; ‘muzzy’; (of the mind, etc.) confused and hazy; (of painting, etc.) lacking in clearness or definition; (of sound, etc.) dull and indistinct."
16:29:30 <Ralph> Ralph: Thanks, Sean :)
16:30:03 <Ralph> ACTION: Sean move http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/573036/SWD/implementation.html to the WG Wiki
16:30:31 <Ralph> ACTION: Antoine add the Vrieje Uni tool to the implementation report
16:31:19 <Ralph> Topic: RDFa
16:31:37 <Ralph> Ben: discussions with the HTML Working Group continue
16:31:42 <Ralph> ... it's a bit of a roller coaster
16:32:07 <aliman> zakim, mute ali
16:32:07 <Zakim> Alistair should now be muted
16:32:29 <Ralph> Ben: Manu Sporny has been a good interface with them
16:33:06 <Ralph> ... we're exploring the possibility of proposing a new attribute, @prefix, as a way of moving forward on CURIE mappings
16:33:30 <Ralph> ... within the Task Force we're close to consensus on adding @prefix, (name not cast in concrete)
16:33:36 <Ralph> ... would do the same thing as @xmlns
16:33:42 <Ralph> Guus: I'd be in favor of this
16:34:11 <Ralph> Ben: the reason for a new attribute is ...
16:34:43 <Ralph> ... some parsers will do the right thing with @xmlns accumulating all the prefixes declared up to each point in the document
16:34:59 <Ralph> ... other parsers might not do this; it depends on how the DOM tree might be fixed-up
16:35:18 <Ralph> ... so it's inconsistent whether one can get at all the @xmlns data with every DOM implementaton
16:35:34 <Ralph> ... I've demonstrated working code for every modern browser but it's admittedly a bit messy
16:35:41 <Ralph> ... sometimes need to use DOM level 1 calls
16:36:03 <Ralph> ... all this is much cleaner if we use some other attribute than @xmlns
16:36:17 <Ralph> ... the Task Force hopes to converge very quickly
16:36:34 <Ralph> ... thought of perhaps issuing a Note on what we think ought to be done
16:36:59 <Ralph> ... but very recently there's some feedback suggesting we propose to revise the RDFa Recommendatoin
16:37:45 <Ralph> Ralph: might be able to do this as a Proposed Edited Recommendation
16:38:00 <Ralph> ... I'll have to remind myself what review is required for that
16:38:39 <Ralph> Ben: we're getting very positive feedback on @prefix unofficially from implementors
16:39:32 <Ralph> Guus: if there's any chance of doing this, I'm very much in favor of it
16:39:35 <TomB> http://www.w3.org/2005/10/Process-20051014/tr.html#cfr-edited
16:39:44 <Ralph> Ralph: even if it means extending the Working Group by 1-4 weeks?
16:39:50 <Ralph> Guus: certainly
16:40:05 <Ralph> Topic: Recipes
16:40:19 <Ralph> [CONTINUES] ACTION: Ralph to review the revised Recipes draft [recorded in 
16:40:19 <Ralph> http://www.w3.org/2008/12/02-swd-minutes.html#action15]
16:40:34 <Ralph> [CONTINUES] ACTION: Ralph/Diego to work on Wordnet implementation [of Recipes implementations] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action20]
16:40:48 <Ralph> Topic: RDFa Metadata Notes
16:40:52 <Ralph> s/tes/te
16:41:07 <Ralph> [CONTINUES] ACTION: Ralph post his comments on the editor's draft of the metadata note [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/25-swd-minutes.html#action03]
16:41:16 <Ralph> Topic: SWD Review of OWL WDs
16:41:29 <Ralph> [DONE] ACTION: Guus send draft of revised OWL2 response by end of day Tuesday, for WG to review on Wednesday, then send to OWL WG on Thursday [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/02/10-swd-minutes.html#action13]
16:42:23 <Zakim> -Alistair
16:42:26 <Zakim> -Antoine
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16:42:32 <Ralph> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Feb/0032.html "LC comments SWD Working Group" [Guus 2009-02-12]
16:42:50 <Zakim> -seanb
16:43:13 <Ralph> [adjourned]
16:43:16 <TomB> http://www.w3.org/2005/10/Process-20051014/tr.html#cfr-edited
16:43:53 <Ralph> http://www.w3.org/2005/10/Process-20051014/tr.html#correction-classes
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16:46:21 <Ralph> Ralph: I believe calling the community review of @prefix a "Candidate Rec" would be most consistent with section 7.6.3
16:46:55 <Ralph> Guus: so 2 week CR followed by a 4 week Proposed [Edited] Rec review by the AC?
16:47:42 <Ralph> Ben: so it's critical that there are no new features?
16:47:43 <Ralph> Ralph: yes
16:47:52 <Ralph> Tom: could it be argued that this is a new feature?
16:48:12 <Ralph> Ben: it's new syntax for something we already do
16:50:31 <Ralph> Guus: should the WG meet next week to discuss this?
16:50:46 <Ralph> Ben: the Task Force should have a complete proposal in place with a diff to the current document
16:51:36 <Ralph> Guus: is the XHTML2 Working Group agreeing with this proposal?
16:51:41 <Ralph> Ralph: that's my sense, yes
16:52:38 <Ralph> Guus: so I'll plan to have a proposal for a Proposed Edited Recommendation on 10 March
16:53:37 <Ralph> Ralph: let's call the WG and public review "candidate review for a Proposed Edited Recommendation"
16:55:02 <Ralph> ... I'll run that terminology past a couple of others here
16:55:27 <Zakim> -Guus
17:05:46 <Zakim> -Ralph
17:05:47 <Zakim> -Ben_Adida
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17:06:09 <Zakim> Attendees were Ralph, Guus, TomB, Alistair, +1.317.031.aaaa, Antoine, Ben_Adida, seanb
17:06:10 <Ralph> zakim, bye
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17:06:17 <Ralph> rrsagent, please draft minutes
17:06:17 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/02/24-swd-minutes.html Ralph
17:09:53 <Ralph> [PENDING] ACTION: Ben review RDFa Use Cases and propose transition to Group Note [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/30-swd-minutes.html#action02]
17:11:32 <Ralph> regrets+ Ed_Summers
17:11:33 <Ralph> rrsagent, please draft minutes
17:11:33 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/02/24-swd-minutes.html Ralph
17:12:02 <Ralph> rrsagent, bye
17:12:02 <RRSAgent> I see 4 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2009/02/24-swd-actions.rdf :
17:12:02 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Alistair look at Richard Ishida and Felix Sasaki's messages in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Feb/thread.html#msg10 and see if there's an issue [1]
17:12:02 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/02/24-swd-irc#T16-14-32
17:12:02 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Antoine provide a pointer to the new Primer Editor's Draft [2]
17:12:02 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/02/24-swd-irc#T16-22-48
17:12:02 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Sean move http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/573036/SWD/implementation.html to the WG Wiki [3]
17:12:02 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/02/24-swd-irc#T16-30-03
17:12:02 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Antoine add the Vrieje Uni tool to the implementation report [4]
17:12:02 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/02/24-swd-irc#T16-30-31