IRC log of swd on 2009-02-24

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Meeting: Semantic Web Deployment Working Group
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zakim, this will be swd
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ok, Ralph; I see SW_SWD()11:00AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes
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rrsagent, please make record public
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Chair: Guus
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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Feb/0058.html
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-> http://www.w3.org/2009/02/10-swd-minutes.html previous 2009-02-10
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SW_SWD()11:00AM has now started
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+Ralph
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+??P9
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zakim, ??p9 is Guus
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+Guus; got it
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+bcuencag
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+??P49
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zakim, ??p49 is TomB
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+TomB; got it
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zakim, bcuencag is Alistair
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+Alistair; got it
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/02/24-swd-minutes.html TomB
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41$
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41#
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+ +1.317.031.aaaa
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zakim, aaaa is me
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+Antoine; got it
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scribe: Ralph
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zakim, who is here?
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On the phone I see Ralph, Guus, Alistair, TomB (muted), Antoine
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On IRC I see Antoine, TomB, aliman, Guus, Zakim, RRSAgent, Ralph
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Topic: Admin
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RESOLVED to accept http://www.w3.org/2009/02/10-swd-minutes.html as minutes of previous telecon
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PROPOSED next telecon 10 March
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Ralph: note that the telcon time will be at 1500 UTC on March 10 and subsequent
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... i.e. 1 hour earlier for Europeans
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+1
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RESOLVED next telecon 10 March, 1500 UTC
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Topic: SKOS
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Ralph: I pinged the chair of I18N yesterday
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... no response yet
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... but Richard Ishida did ask if we were going to reply to http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Feb/0010.html
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+Ben_Adida
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... Felix Sasaki followed that up; http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Feb/0011.html
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Guus: we won't be able to solve all the problems of concepts in different languages
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Alistair: when I read Felix's response he seemed to be explaining the theories of thesaurii in various languages
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... so there didn't really seem to be an issue; just a dialog
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Guus: perhaps making that statement would be an appropriate followup from us
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ACTION: Alistair look at Richard Ishida and Felix Sasaki's messages in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Feb/thread.html#msg10 and see if there's an issue
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+??P54
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zakim, ??P54 is me
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+seanb; got it
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[CONTINUES] ACTION: Ralph include in the Call for Implementation prose on "feedback on implementations of SKOS Editors and Checkers" [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/02/10-swd-minutes.html#action07]
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Topic: SKOS Ontology
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[DONE] ACTION: Alistair update the RDF file for response to Magnus Knuth's comment [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/02/10-swd-minutes.html#action03]
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s/DONE/CONTINUES
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Alistair: I believe I've done this and thought I'd sent mail
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... will find that mail
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s/CONTINUES/DONE
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-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Feb/0029.html "Re: ISSUE-190: Last Call Comment: Unicity of prefLabel (comment in SKOS RDF)" [Alistair 2009-02-10]
16:19:42 [aliman]
thanks ralph, that's it
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[DONE] ACTION: Antoine raise and close an issue for Magnus Knuth's comment [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/02/10-swd-minutes.html#action02]
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Antoine: action should have read "raise and open"
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Ralph: yep
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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Feb/0027.html
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Topic: SKOS Primer
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Antoine: there might still be updates to the Primer
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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-esw-thes/2009Feb/0069.html
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/02/24-swd-minutes.html TomB
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Antoine: Pat Hayes read the Primer and commented on a misleading sentence
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... I proposed one rewrite, and Alistair proposed a different one
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... then I received mail from Pat accepting my rewrite
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Alistair: go ahead with your version
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ACTION: Antoine provide a pointer to the new Primer Editor's Draft
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/02/24-swd-minutes.html Ralph
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Antoine: Pat neglected to cc: his reply to a list, so his approval of my text isn't on a record
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Guus: just include Pat's reply in your mail
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topic: Implementation Report
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http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/573036/SWD/implementation.html
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Sean: start of implementation report
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... best thing is to keep it simple
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[CONTINUES] ACTION: Sean to report on SKOSED for SKOS implementation report [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/06-swd-minutes.html#action10]
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16:26:07 [seanb]
-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Feb/0061.html
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regrets+ Margherita
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s/->//
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Guus: I think it's OK to close Sean's action given the draft
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... http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/573036/SWD/implementation.html is the kind of implement I was hoping for
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s/[CONTINUES]/[DONE]/
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Sean: it's hard to pin down some things
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... so it's necessarily somewhat informal
16:29:15 [seanb]
From the OED: wooly: " 6. transf. and fig. Lacking in definiteness or incisiveness; ‘muzzy’; (of the mind, etc.) confused and hazy; (of painting, etc.) lacking in clearness or definition; (of sound, etc.) dull and indistinct."
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Ralph: Thanks, Sean :)
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ACTION: Sean move http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/573036/SWD/implementation.html to the WG Wiki
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ACTION: Antoine add the Vrieje Uni tool to the implementation report
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Topic: RDFa
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Ben: discussions with the HTML Working Group continue
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... it's a bit of a roller coaster
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zakim, mute ali
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Alistair should now be muted
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Ben: Manu Sporny has been a good interface with them
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... we're exploring the possibility of proposing a new attribute, @prefix, as a way of moving forward on CURIE mappings
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... within the Task Force we're close to consensus on adding @prefix, (name not cast in concrete)
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... would do the same thing as @xmlns
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Guus: I'd be in favor of this
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Ben: the reason for a new attribute is ...
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... some parsers will do the right thing with @xmlns accumulating all the prefixes declared up to each point in the document
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... other parsers might not do this; it depends on how the DOM tree might be fixed-up
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... so it's inconsistent whether one can get at all the @xmlns data with every DOM implementaton
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... I've demonstrated working code for every modern browser but it's admittedly a bit messy
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... sometimes need to use DOM level 1 calls
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... all this is much cleaner if we use some other attribute than @xmlns
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... the Task Force hopes to converge very quickly
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... thought of perhaps issuing a Note on what we think ought to be done
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... but very recently there's some feedback suggesting we propose to revise the RDFa Recommendatoin
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Ralph: might be able to do this as a Proposed Edited Recommendation
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... I'll have to remind myself what review is required for that
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Ben: we're getting very positive feedback on @prefix unofficially from implementors
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Guus: if there's any chance of doing this, I'm very much in favor of it
16:39:35 [TomB]
http://www.w3.org/2005/10/Process-20051014/tr.html#cfr-edited
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Ralph: even if it means extending the Working Group by 1-4 weeks?
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Guus: certainly
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Topic: Recipes
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[CONTINUES] ACTION: Ralph to review the revised Recipes draft [recorded in
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http://www.w3.org/2008/12/02-swd-minutes.html#action15]
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[CONTINUES] ACTION: Ralph/Diego to work on Wordnet implementation [of Recipes implementations] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action20]
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Topic: RDFa Metadata Notes
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s/tes/te
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[CONTINUES] ACTION: Ralph post his comments on the editor's draft of the metadata note [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/11/25-swd-minutes.html#action03]
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Topic: SWD Review of OWL WDs
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[DONE] ACTION: Guus send draft of revised OWL2 response by end of day Tuesday, for WG to review on Wednesday, then send to OWL WG on Thursday [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/02/10-swd-minutes.html#action13]
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-Alistair
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-Antoine
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-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Feb/0032.html "LC comments SWD Working Group" [Guus 2009-02-12]
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-seanb
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[adjourned]
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http://www.w3.org/2005/10/Process-20051014/tr.html#cfr-edited
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http://www.w3.org/2005/10/Process-20051014/tr.html#correction-classes
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Ralph: I believe calling the community review of @prefix a "Candidate Rec" would be most consistent with section 7.6.3
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Guus: so 2 week CR followed by a 4 week Proposed [Edited] Rec review by the AC?
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Ben: so it's critical that there are no new features?
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Ralph: yes
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Tom: could it be argued that this is a new feature?
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Ben: it's new syntax for something we already do
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Guus: should the WG meet next week to discuss this?
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Ben: the Task Force should have a complete proposal in place with a diff to the current document
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Guus: is the XHTML2 Working Group agreeing with this proposal?
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Ralph: that's my sense, yes
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Guus: so I'll plan to have a proposal for a Proposed Edited Recommendation on 10 March
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Ralph: let's call the WG and public review "candidate review for a Proposed Edited Recommendation"
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... I'll run that terminology past a couple of others here
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-Guus
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-Ralph
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-Ben_Adida
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SW_SWD()11:00AM has ended
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Attendees were Ralph, Guus, TomB, Alistair, +1.317.031.aaaa, Antoine, Ben_Adida, seanb
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zakim, bye
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rrsagent, please draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/02/24-swd-minutes.html Ralph
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[PENDING] ACTION: Ben review RDFa Use Cases and propose transition to Group Note [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/09/30-swd-minutes.html#action02]
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regrets+ Ed_Summers
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rrsagent, please draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/02/24-swd-minutes.html Ralph
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rrsagent, bye
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I see 4 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2009/02/24-swd-actions.rdf :
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ACTION: Alistair look at Richard Ishida and Felix Sasaki's messages in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2009Feb/thread.html#msg10 and see if there's an issue [1]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/02/24-swd-irc#T16-14-32
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ACTION: Antoine provide a pointer to the new Primer Editor's Draft [2]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/02/24-swd-irc#T16-22-48
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ACTION: Sean move http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/573036/SWD/implementation.html to the WG Wiki [3]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/02/24-swd-irc#T16-30-03
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ACTION: Antoine add the Vrieje Uni tool to the implementation report [4]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/02/24-swd-irc#T16-30-31