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14:23:00 <LeeF> zakim, this will be sparql
14:23:00 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, LeeF
14:23:22 <bijan> Bristol line seems down
14:23:31 <LeeF> lovely
14:23:43 <bijan> My first attempt was 1) crackly and 2) didn't recognize the passcode
14:23:49 <bijan> My second attempt is just hitting nothing :(
14:23:54 <LeeF> (trying to figure it out)
14:24:13 <bijan> (still down)
14:24:27 <AndyS_> I looked out the window and Bristol is still there :-)
14:24:41 <LeeF> Well at least we have one thing going for us :)
14:24:42 <bijan> Glad to hear it!
14:24:48 <bijan> It's a cool city!
14:25:05 <AndyS_> I am too.  More so probabaly.
14:25:20 <bijan> Pfft...you're far enough from the centre
14:25:27 <bijan> A nuke would just toast you a bit :)
14:25:32 <AndyS_> I get "that code is not valid"
14:25:41 <bijan> I can't connect at all
14:25:42 <swh> I got an ok line, but couldn't connect to 77277
14:25:45 <iv_an_ru> At least people will prefer Bristol to Novosibirsk when we will vote for F2F site
14:25:51 <swh> that's true
14:26:00 <AndyS_> Code is not valid.
14:26:06 <swh> ah, whats the right code?
14:26:13 <LeeF> I'm guessing that, uh, it never got setup :( everybody hang on a bit
14:26:15 <AxelPolleres> same here, couldn't connect to 77277
14:26:26 <AndyS_> Right code - but does not work - see also the zakim "no confernce message"
14:26:42 <AndyS_> What was the DAWG code?
14:26:49 <iv_an_ru> Isn't the code restricted to 4 numbers?
14:26:56 <bijan> no
14:26:57 <LeeF> iv_an_ru: no, some are 5
14:27:10 <bijan> oo, a connection
14:27:17 <LeeF> I requested it last week, but don't remember seeing a confirmation.
14:27:24 <LeeF> zakim, room for 25?
14:27:25 <Zakim> ok, LeeF; conference Team_(sparql)14:27Z scheduled with code 26631 (CONF1) for 60 minutes until 1527Z
14:27:33 <bijan> I can call in now, but the passcode is borked
14:27:37 <LeeF> Let's use 26631
14:27:39 <Zakim> Team_(sparql)14:27Z has now started
14:27:41 <Zakim> +??P3
14:27:41 <LeeF> I will send an updated email
14:27:56 <AndyS_> Now I get a ringing tone after Ralph's message
14:28:12 <bijan> AndyS:  I was getting that
14:28:18 <iv_an_ru> Should I tell Orri that the code is 26631?
14:28:19 <Zakim> +??P2
14:28:21 <Zakim> -??P2
14:28:21 <Zakim> +??P2
14:28:22 <AxelPolleres> (just joined with passcode 26631)
14:28:25 <swh> Zakim: ??P2 is Garlik
14:28:38 <Zakim> +??P4
14:28:44 <Zakim> +??P5
14:28:49 <swh> Zakim, ??P2 is Garlik
14:28:49 <Zakim> +Garlik; got it
14:28:51 <Zakim> +??P6
14:28:57 <bijan> zakim, ??p6 is me
14:28:57 <Zakim> +bijan; got it
14:29:02 <bijan> zakim, mute me
14:29:02 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted
14:29:06 <AndyS_> zakim, P4 is me
14:29:06 <Zakim> sorry, AndyS_, I do not recognize a party named 'P4'
14:29:08 <Zakim> +Lee_Feigenbaum
14:29:15 <AndyS_> zakim, ??P4 is me
14:29:15 <Zakim> +AndyS_; got it
14:29:26 <AndyS_> zakim, mute me
14:29:26 <Zakim> AndyS_ should now be muted
14:29:31 <Zakim> + +1.518.276.aaaa
14:29:44 <ericP> if we restart, we shoudl get the code SPARQL
14:29:46 <AndyS_> zakim, unmute me
14:29:46 <Zakim> AndyS_ should no longer be muted
14:29:51 <AndyS_> zakim, ??P5 is me
14:29:51 <Zakim> +AndyS_; got it
14:29:55 <bijan> I think you have to drop off
14:29:59 <ericP> Zakim, please dial ericP-office
14:29:59 <Zakim> ok, ericP; the call is being made
14:30:01 <Zakim> +EricP
14:30:03 <bijan> You can use the hand wave feature
14:30:23 <AxelPolleres> zakim, who is talking?
14:30:33 <Zakim> AxelPolleres, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Garlik (10%), AndyS_ (26%), AndyS_.a (9%), Lee_Feigenbaum (15%)
14:30:53 <alepas> Zakim: ??p4 is me
14:31:11 <LeeF> iv_an_ru: yes, please do relay 26631 to Orri
14:31:15 <bijan> 41# will raise your hand
14:31:16 <iv_an_ru> I did
14:31:21 <AndyS_> I'm P4!
14:31:31 <bijan> q-
14:31:41 <bijan> So if you don't know which P you are
14:31:42 <Zakim> +OpenLink
14:31:51 <bijan> Type on the keypad 41#
14:32:19 <bijan> q-
14:32:24 <LeeF> zakim, aaaa is kasei
14:32:24 <Zakim> +kasei; got it
14:32:32 <bijan> ack aaaa
14:32:36 <LeeF> zakim, who's here?
14:32:36 <Zakim> On the phone I see AxelPolleres, Garlik, AndyS_, AndyS_.a, bijan (muted), Lee_Feigenbaum, kasei, EricP, OpenLink
14:32:38 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, alepas, AndyS_, swh, kasei, AxelPolleres, iv_an_ru, bijan, AndyS, LeeF, ericP
14:32:40 <Zakim> + +0383306aabb
14:32:43 <Zakim> + +1.415.371.aacc
14:32:46 <bijan> ack
14:33:01 <Zakim> +Phil_Brooks
14:33:02 <iv_an_ru> Zakim, +0383306aabb is me
14:33:02 <Zakim> +iv_an_ru; got it
14:33:03 <LeeF> zakim, aacc is daveNewman
14:33:03 <Zakim> +daveNewman; got it
14:33:13 <bijan> Note that the hand raise trick puts the person on the queue...chairs should clear it
14:33:20 <LeeF> q?
14:33:23 <LeeF> ack aaaa
14:33:28 <LeeF> q-
14:33:36 <LeeF> how? :)
14:33:37 <ericP> queue=
14:33:37 <bijan> tracy ack
14:33:42 <bijan> try ack
14:33:48 <ericP> i just cleared it
14:33:54 <ericP> "queue="
14:34:24 <Zakim> -AndyS_.a
14:34:35 <Zakim> -AndyS_
14:34:38 <ericP> Zakim, who is here?
14:34:38 <Zakim> On the phone I see AxelPolleres, Garlik, bijan (muted), Lee_Feigenbaum, kasei, EricP, OpenLink, iv_an_ru, daveNewman, Phil_Brooks
14:34:40 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, alepas, AndyS_, swh, kasei, AxelPolleres, iv_an_ru, bijan, AndyS, LeeF, ericP
14:35:15 <Zakim> +??P4
14:35:47 <LeeF> agenda +Introductions 
14:35:47 <alepas> Zakim, i am ??p4
14:35:48 <Zakim> +alepas; got it
14:35:53 <LeeF> agenda +Our charter and time line 
14:35:59 <LeeF> agenda +What we all hope to get out of the working group 
14:36:05 <LeeF> agenda +Scheduling teleconferences and a face-to-face meeting 
14:36:41 <Zakim> +??P16
14:36:42 <Phil> Phil has joined #SPARQL
14:36:47 <AndyS_> Now can't dial in to US number either : suggests it's not the Bristol number
14:36:59 <LeeF> zakim, ??P16 is AndyS_
14:36:59 <Zakim> +AndyS_; got it
14:36:59 <AndyS_> zakim, ??P16 is me
14:37:00 <Zakim> I already had ??P16 as AndyS_, AndyS_
14:37:11 <iv_an_ru> I wan unable to dial in to Nice
14:37:20 <LeeF> zakim, who's here?
14:37:20 <Zakim> On the phone I see AxelPolleres, Garlik, bijan (muted), Lee_Feigenbaum, kasei, EricP, OpenLink, iv_an_ru, daveNewman, Phil_Brooks, alepas, AndyS_
14:37:22 <Zakim> On IRC I see Phil, RRSAgent, Zakim, alepas, AndyS_, swh, kasei, AxelPolleres, iv_an_ru, bijan, AndyS, LeeF, ericP
14:38:53 <LeeF> Scribe: AndyS_
14:39:28 <AndyS_> Introductions
14:39:28 <AxelPolleres> http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki
14:39:43 <AndyS_> Round the phone:
14:39:53 <AndyS_> Lee Feigenbaum
14:40:07 <AxelPolleres> (please all who don't speak mute themselves, thnx.)
14:40:57 <AndyS_> Axel Polleres
14:41:26 <AndyS_> Lee and Axel are the group's co-chairs
14:41:36 <kasei> Axel: is there a way to do that through the conf. system?
14:41:49 <LeeF> kasei: you can type "zakim, mute me"
14:42:18 <AndyS_> Steve Harris
14:42:34 <AxelPolleres> kasei, type "Zakim, mute me"
14:42:36 <Susie> Susie has joined #sparql
14:43:14 <swh> "Luke Wilson-Mawer"
14:43:50 <bijan> zakim, unmute me
14:43:50 <Zakim> bijan should no longer be muted
14:43:55 <AndyS_> Bijan Parsia
14:44:01 <kasei> zakim, mute me
14:44:01 <Zakim> kasei should now be muted
14:45:10 <bijan> zakim, mute me
14:45:10 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted
14:45:13 <AxelPolleres> we'd kindly request people to also send intro mails to the mailing list, and also enter an introduction to the wiki (http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki).
14:45:16 <kasei> zakim, unmute me
14:45:16 <Zakim> kasei should no longer be muted
14:45:21 <AndyS_> Greg Williams
14:46:05 <kasei> zakim, mute me
14:46:05 <Zakim> kasei should now be muted
14:46:12 <AndyS_> Eric Prud'hommeaux
14:46:55 <AndyS_> W3C staff contacts: EricP and Ivan Herman
14:47:12 <AndyS_> Orri Erling
14:47:27 <AndyS_> Ivan Mikhailov
14:47:37 <AxelPolleres> orri and ivan on the same phone line (for attendees list)
14:48:14 <iv_an_ru> Orri is at Utrecht and I'm in Novosibirsk, I guess that lines differ.
14:49:39 <AndyS_> Dave Newman
14:50:11 <AndyS_> (Dan Schutzer not attending today)
14:51:02 <AndyS_> Phil Brooks
14:52:30 <Phil> Hi, Bijan!
14:52:33 <Phil> Jenna Zhou
14:53:00 <AndyS_> Alex Passant
14:53:33 <LeeF> Andy Seaborne
14:53:37 <AxelPolleres> On http://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=35463 I don't see yet all of the people here.
14:54:04 <bijan> +1 to AndyS speed point
14:54:16 <swh> +1
14:55:55 <bijan> Oops. Manchester is likely to have a second person as well, someone who's been heavily involved with a joint UManchester/Seimans project
14:56:10 <AndyS_> HP will be represented by two people: Andy Seaborne and Ahmed Ezzat
14:57:16 <AndyS_> Weekly telecon : discussion on timing
14:57:43 <AndyS_> Issue: PST is 06:30 and we have people on the west coast
14:58:01 <AxelPolleres> (when typing, please mute yourselves)
14:58:32 <AndyS_> Also clash with RIF calls just after SPARQL
14:58:48 <AndyS_> LeeF: Meetings usually an hour
14:59:17 <AndyS_> Dave: 7am is OK
14:59:38 <Zakim> -daveNewman
15:00:11 <AndyS_> LeeF: Suggestion 15:00Z
15:00:34 <bijan> zakim, unmute me
15:00:34 <Zakim> bijan should no longer be muted
15:00:35 <AndyS_> AxelPolleres: then limits me to one hour due to RIF
15:01:11 <AndyS_> 15:00Z = 10am EST = 7am PST until clocks change
15:01:33 <AndyS_> Bijan: teach some of those slots but UManchester will have two people.
15:01:34 <bijan> zakim, mute me
15:01:40 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted
15:01:57 <bijan> I appreciate the chairs consideration
15:02:30 <AndyS_> LeeF: Days other than Tuesday is tricky for chairs/staff contacts
15:02:47 <bijan> If the chairs are willing for asynch feedback from me on the days that I can't attend, I would be grateful
15:02:55 <AndyS_> Phil: 10am OK but Singapore would be a problem.
15:02:56 <LeeF> Very happy for async feedback
15:04:04 <LeeF> agenda?
15:04:06 <AndyS_> LeeF: For now, 15:00Z telecons -- 10am EST -- 7am PST
15:04:39 <swh> http://www.w3.org/2009/01/sparql-charter
15:04:58 <AndyS_> Charter discussion
15:05:12 <AndyS_> LeeF: 18 months running time.
15:05:24 <AndyS_> ... key point
15:05:39 <AndyS_> ... RECs from last time (QL, Protocol, Results)
15:06:20 <AndyS_> ... also JSON Results format -- WG Note 
15:07:00 <AndyS_> ... charter for adding key features for users; things that have been impelemnted and used sufficiently widely
15:07:31 <AndyS_> ... all SPARQL v1 queries shouldl be the same 
15:07:48 <AndyS_> ... scope suggestions:
15:07:52 <AndyS_> ... update and delete
15:08:11 <AndyS_> ... aggregate functions
15:08:24 <AndyS_> ... new filters and functions
15:08:37 <AndyS_> ... interoperability (e.g. service description)
15:08:50 <AndyS_> ... describe inference regime
15:08:59 <AndyS_> ... make DESCRIBE more interoperable
15:09:13 <AndyS_> ... (was non-normative in REC)
15:09:25 <AndyS_> ... consider an XML syntax for SPARQL
15:09:57 <swh> (project named expressions was missed I think)
15:10:00 <AndyS_> ... next week : round table for members to state what they see needed
15:10:36 <AndyS_> EricP: Do some to meet schedule then flesh out if more time
15:11:00 <AndyS_> LeeF: step one is UC&R (2 minths - maybe 6 weeks) will fix the features
15:11:15 <AndyS_> ... charter says prioritize
15:12:43 <iv_an_ru> Shouldn't we make a table with row per feature and column per implementation, to enumerate SPARQL extensions do we have implemented already?
15:12:57 <iv_an_ru> in a wiki
15:12:59 <AndyS_> AxelPolleres: after 6 weeks we can close the feature set to stay on schedule
15:13:27 <AndyS_> Orri: Implemented extensions - will submit the prioritized extensions
15:13:50 <AndyS_> LeeF: Want to gather what's out there
15:14:02 <AndyS_> ... inc popularity
15:14:13 <AndyS_> ... then juggle.
15:14:32 <AndyS_> ... Other deliverables: REC updates
15:14:43 <AndyS_> ... already one month late :-)
15:14:48 <AndyS_> (Only??!!)
15:15:02 <ywang4> ywang4 has joined #sparql
15:15:27 <AndyS_> LeeF: Travel may be an issue (economic issues)
15:15:33 <AndyS_> ... likely less F2F
15:15:37 <AndyS_> q+
15:15:51 <swh> q+
15:15:54 <AndyS_> ... first F2F around end of UC&R
15:16:26 <LeeF> ack AndyS_
15:16:37 <bijan> +1 to AndyS
15:16:53 <bijan> I've done a bunch of remote F2F participation
15:17:12 <LeeF> ack swh
15:17:15 <bijan> I'd even go down to bristol or host UK folks so we have some "nodes" of f2f particpating at weird hours
15:17:16 <AndyS_> AndyS_: virtual F2F : will set aside time to attend properly even if remote
15:17:33 <bijan> Manchester has a nice room for telepresence
15:17:40 <bijan> The "Access Grid"
15:17:53 <swh> +1
15:18:57 <swh> may 5,6,7 is ok for me
15:19:15 <AndyS_> LeeF: timing: 1st week May (5th May ish) 
15:19:31 <AndyS_> ... Location: Boston
15:19:42 <ywang4> Hi, i just got here. May 4-6 are best for me
15:19:45 <AndyS_> ... maybe other links (e.g.UK)
15:19:57 <ywang4> it's Yimin from Lilly
15:20:02 <bijan> Not great for me
15:20:19 <iv_an_ru> May 1-10 is not very convenient for me but I'm probably missing F2f anyway.
15:20:25 <AndyS_> Looks OK at the moment
15:20:36 <bijan> Mon-tues much worse than wed-fri
15:20:52 <AndyS_> (how many Lilly people are there in the WG?)
15:21:22 <ywang4> I think Susie and me here
15:21:29 <Phil> Plus Phil and Jenna
15:21:51 <AndyS_> LeeF: will try for 5&6 May
15:21:53 <Phil> Jenna, though, may not participate quite as often
15:21:58 <AndyS_> ... will take to email
15:22:13 <AndyS_> Axel: WBS
15:23:18 <ywang4> Hi Phil, I didn't notice you are here as well
15:23:49 <AndyS_> LeeF: Comments and questions?
15:24:14 <AndyS_> AxelPolleres: Self-intros to the list
15:24:55 <AxelPolleres> Please all send self-introductions until next week.
15:25:07 <AndyS_> LeeF: Chairs will seek out editors for documents over time
15:25:39 <AndyS_> End of meeting
15:25:46 <Zakim> -bijan
15:26:04 <AndyS_> EricP - can you remind of the minutes magic?
15:26:39 <AxelPolleres> zakim, list attendees
15:26:39 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been AxelPolleres, Garlik, bijan, Lee_Feigenbaum, AndyS_, +1.518.276.aaaa, EricP, OpenLink, kasei, +1.415.371.aacc, Phil_Brooks, iv_an_ru,
15:26:42 <Zakim> ... daveNewman, alepas
15:26:58 <LeeF> AndyS, I will take care of the minutes and get them online
15:27:24 <LeeF> RRSAgent, draft minutes please
15:27:24 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/02/24-sparql-minutes.html LeeF
15:27:31 <LeeF> RRSAgent, make logs world
15:27:32 <bijan> bijan has left #sparql
15:27:33 <AndyS_> LeeF - thx.
15:28:58 <AxelPolleres> who is ywang4? thanks!
15:29:07 <ywang4> Yimin Wang
15:29:10 <ericP> luke.wilson-mawer@garlik.com
15:29:11 <ywang4> from Lilly Singapore
15:29:11 <LeeF> ywang4 is Yimin Wang from Eli Lilly
15:29:49 <ericP> From: Lee Feigenbaum <lee@thefigtrees.net>
15:29:49 <ericP> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 12:54:36 -0500
15:29:49 <ericP> To: 'SPARQL Working Group' <public-rdf-dawg@w3.org>
15:29:49 <ericP> Subject: First SPARQL Working Group Meeting - Tues. Feb 24th
15:29:49 <ericP> Message-ID: <499C4B5C.6010202@thefigtrees.net>
15:29:51 <ericP> Resent-From: public-rdf-dawg@w3.org
15:29:53 <ericP> Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 17:55:29 +0000
15:30:06 <LeeF> Yimin, before you joined, we agreed to have our weekly calls at 15:00Z on Tuesdays - I know that that is quite late for you - do you think you still might be able to participate? (trying to balance time zones)
15:30:25 <ywang4> Should be no problem
15:30:52 <ericP> j_phil_brooks@lilly.com
15:31:36 <LeeF> thanks, Yimin :)
15:32:12 <ericP> ywang4, could you post me your email address?
15:32:34 <ywang4> wangyimin@lilly.com
15:33:31 <Zakim> -OpenLink
15:33:42 <ywang4> so it looks like the f2f meeting will be 5 and 6 May at Boston?
15:34:37 <iv_an_ru> I would be nice to know the date/place in advance due to visa headache.
15:34:40 <LeeF> That's my best guess at the moment, Yimin, but we'll decide in the next week or two
15:34:53 <Zakim> -Phil_Brooks
15:34:54 <Zakim> -Lee_Feigenbaum
15:34:57 <Zakim> -iv_an_ru
15:34:59 <Zakim> -kasei
15:35:03 <Zakim> -alepas
15:35:09 <Zakim> -Garlik
15:35:14 <Zakim> -EricP
15:35:19 <Zakim> -AndyS_
15:35:23 <Zakim> -AxelPolleres
15:35:23 <Zakim> Team_(sparql)14:27Z has ended
15:35:24 <Zakim> Attendees were AxelPolleres, Garlik, bijan, Lee_Feigenbaum, AndyS_, +1.518.276.aaaa, EricP, OpenLink, kasei, +1.415.371.aacc, Phil_Brooks, iv_an_ru, daveNewman, alepas
15:35:47 <AxelPolleres> AxelPolleres has left #sparql
15:37:52 <ywang4> I see, I will proceed with these dates
15:38:45 <LeeF> iv_an_ru, if we settle it for sure in one or two weeks, does that give you enough time?
15:40:02 <ywang4> ywang4 has left #sparql
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15:42:52 <LeeF> ericP, can you setup our calls going forward for 10:00AM ET with code 77277?
16:03:35 <ericP> yep
16:14:12 <LeeF> grazie
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