IRC log of sparql on 2009-02-24

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14:23:00 [LeeF]

zakim, this will be sparql

14:23:00 [Zakim]

I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, LeeF

14:23:22 [bijan]

Bristol line seems down

14:23:31 [LeeF]

lovely

14:23:43 [bijan]

My first attempt was 1) crackly and 2) didn't recognize the passcode

14:23:49 [bijan]

My second attempt is just hitting nothing :(

14:23:54 [LeeF]

(trying to figure it out)

14:24:13 [bijan]

(still down)

14:24:27 [AndyS_]

I looked out the window and Bristol is still there :-)

14:24:41 [LeeF]

Well at least we have one thing going for us :)

14:24:42 [bijan]

Glad to hear it!

14:24:48 [bijan]

It's a cool city!

14:25:05 [AndyS_]

I am too. More so probabaly.

14:25:20 [bijan]

Pfft...you're far enough from the centre

14:25:27 [bijan]

A nuke would just toast you a bit :)

14:25:32 [AndyS_]

I get "that code is not valid"

14:25:41 [bijan]

I can't connect at all

14:25:42 [swh]

I got an ok line, but couldn't connect to 77277

14:25:45 [iv_an_ru]

At least people will prefer Bristol to Novosibirsk when we will vote for F2F site

14:25:51 [swh]

that's true

14:26:00 [AndyS_]

Code is not valid.

14:26:06 [swh]

ah, whats the right code?

14:26:13 [LeeF]

I'm guessing that, uh, it never got setup :( everybody hang on a bit

14:26:15 [AxelPolleres]

same here, couldn't connect to 77277

14:26:26 [AndyS_]

Right code - but does not work - see also the zakim "no confernce message"

14:26:42 [AndyS_]

What was the DAWG code?

14:26:49 [iv_an_ru]

Isn't the code restricted to 4 numbers?

14:26:56 [bijan]

no

14:26:57 [LeeF]

iv_an_ru: no, some are 5

14:27:10 [bijan]

oo, a connection

14:27:17 [LeeF]

I requested it last week, but don't remember seeing a confirmation.

14:27:24 [LeeF]

zakim, room for 25?

14:27:25 [Zakim]

ok, LeeF; conference Team_(sparql)14:27Z scheduled with code 26631 (CONF1) for 60 minutes until 1527Z

14:27:33 [bijan]

I can call in now, but the passcode is borked

14:27:37 [LeeF]

Let's use 26631

14:27:39 [Zakim]

Team_(sparql)14:27Z has now started

14:27:41 [Zakim]

+??P3

14:27:41 [LeeF]

I will send an updated email

14:27:56 [AndyS_]

Now I get a ringing tone after Ralph's message

14:28:12 [bijan]

AndyS: I was getting that

14:28:18 [iv_an_ru]

Should I tell Orri that the code is 26631?

14:28:19 [Zakim]

+??P2

14:28:21 [Zakim]

-??P2

14:28:21 [Zakim]

+??P2

14:28:22 [AxelPolleres]

(just joined with passcode 26631)

14:28:25 [swh]

Zakim: ??P2 is Garlik

14:28:38 [Zakim]

+??P4

14:28:44 [Zakim]

+??P5

14:28:49 [swh]

Zakim, ??P2 is Garlik

14:28:49 [Zakim]

+Garlik; got it

14:28:51 [Zakim]

+??P6

14:28:57 [bijan]

zakim, ??p6 is me

14:28:57 [Zakim]

+bijan; got it

14:29:02 [bijan]

zakim, mute me

14:29:02 [Zakim]

bijan should now be muted

14:29:06 [AndyS_]

zakim, P4 is me

14:29:06 [Zakim]

sorry, AndyS_, I do not recognize a party named 'P4'

14:29:08 [Zakim]

+Lee_Feigenbaum

14:29:15 [AndyS_]

zakim, ??P4 is me

14:29:15 [Zakim]

+AndyS_; got it

14:29:26 [AndyS_]

zakim, mute me

14:29:26 [Zakim]

AndyS_ should now be muted

14:29:31 [Zakim]

+ +1.518.276.aaaa

14:29:44 [ericP]

if we restart, we shoudl get the code SPARQL

14:29:46 [AndyS_]

zakim, unmute me

14:29:46 [Zakim]

AndyS_ should no longer be muted

14:29:51 [AndyS_]

zakim, ??P5 is me

14:29:51 [Zakim]

+AndyS_; got it

14:29:55 [bijan]

I think you have to drop off

14:29:59 [ericP]

Zakim, please dial ericP-office

14:29:59 [Zakim]

ok, ericP; the call is being made

14:30:01 [Zakim]

+EricP

14:30:03 [bijan]

You can use the hand wave feature

14:30:23 [AxelPolleres]

zakim, who is talking?

14:30:33 [Zakim]

AxelPolleres, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Garlik (10%), AndyS_ (26%), AndyS_.a (9%), Lee_Feigenbaum (15%)

14:30:53 [alepas]

Zakim: ??p4 is me

14:31:11 [LeeF]

iv_an_ru: yes, please do relay 26631 to Orri

14:31:15 [bijan]

41# will raise your hand

14:31:16 [iv_an_ru]

I did

14:31:21 [AndyS_]

I'm P4!

14:31:31 [bijan]

q-

14:31:41 [bijan]

So if you don't know which P you are

14:31:42 [Zakim]

+OpenLink

14:31:51 [bijan]

Type on the keypad 41#

14:32:19 [bijan]

q-

14:32:24 [LeeF]

zakim, aaaa is kasei

14:32:24 [Zakim]

+kasei; got it

14:32:32 [bijan]

ack aaaa

14:32:36 [LeeF]

zakim, who's here?

14:32:36 [Zakim]

On the phone I see AxelPolleres, Garlik, AndyS_, AndyS_.a, bijan (muted), Lee_Feigenbaum, kasei, EricP, OpenLink

14:32:38 [Zakim]

On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, alepas, AndyS_, swh, kasei, AxelPolleres, iv_an_ru, bijan, AndyS, LeeF, ericP

14:32:40 [Zakim]

+ +0383306aabb

14:32:43 [Zakim]

+ +1.415.371.aacc

14:32:46 [bijan]

ack

14:33:01 [Zakim]

+Phil_Brooks

14:33:02 [iv_an_ru]

Zakim, +0383306aabb is me

14:33:02 [Zakim]

+iv_an_ru; got it

14:33:03 [LeeF]

zakim, aacc is daveNewman

14:33:03 [Zakim]

+daveNewman; got it

14:33:13 [bijan]

Note that the hand raise trick puts the person on the queue...chairs should clear it

14:33:20 [LeeF]

q?

14:33:23 [LeeF]

ack aaaa

14:33:28 [LeeF]

q-

14:33:36 [LeeF]

how? :)

14:33:37 [ericP]

queue=

14:33:37 [bijan]

tracy ack

14:33:42 [bijan]

try ack

14:33:48 [ericP]

i just cleared it

14:33:54 [ericP]

"queue="

14:34:24 [Zakim]

-AndyS_.a

14:34:35 [Zakim]

-AndyS_

14:34:38 [ericP]

Zakim, who is here?

14:34:38 [Zakim]

On the phone I see AxelPolleres, Garlik, bijan (muted), Lee_Feigenbaum, kasei, EricP, OpenLink, iv_an_ru, daveNewman, Phil_Brooks

14:34:40 [Zakim]

On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, alepas, AndyS_, swh, kasei, AxelPolleres, iv_an_ru, bijan, AndyS, LeeF, ericP

14:35:15 [Zakim]

+??P4

14:35:47 [LeeF]

agenda +Introductions

14:35:47 [alepas]

Zakim, i am ??p4

14:35:48 [Zakim]

+alepas; got it

14:35:53 [LeeF]

agenda +Our charter and time line

14:35:59 [LeeF]

agenda +What we all hope to get out of the working group

14:36:05 [LeeF]

agenda +Scheduling teleconferences and a face-to-face meeting

14:36:41 [Zakim]

+??P16

14:36:42 [Phil]

Phil has joined #SPARQL

14:36:47 [AndyS_]

Now can't dial in to US number either : suggests it's not the Bristol number

14:36:59 [LeeF]

zakim, ??P16 is AndyS_

14:36:59 [Zakim]

+AndyS_; got it

14:36:59 [AndyS_]

zakim, ??P16 is me

14:37:00 [Zakim]

I already had ??P16 as AndyS_, AndyS_

14:37:11 [iv_an_ru]

I wan unable to dial in to Nice

14:37:20 [LeeF]

zakim, who's here?

14:37:20 [Zakim]

On the phone I see AxelPolleres, Garlik, bijan (muted), Lee_Feigenbaum, kasei, EricP, OpenLink, iv_an_ru, daveNewman, Phil_Brooks, alepas, AndyS_

14:37:22 [Zakim]

On IRC I see Phil, RRSAgent, Zakim, alepas, AndyS_, swh, kasei, AxelPolleres, iv_an_ru, bijan, AndyS, LeeF, ericP

14:38:53 [LeeF]

Scribe: AndyS_

14:39:28 [AndyS_]

Introductions

14:39:28 [AxelPolleres]

http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki

14:39:43 [AndyS_]

Round the phone:

14:39:53 [AndyS_]

Lee Feigenbaum

14:40:07 [AxelPolleres]

(please all who don't speak mute themselves, thnx.)

14:40:57 [AndyS_]

Axel Polleres

14:41:26 [AndyS_]

Lee and Axel are the group's co-chairs

14:41:36 [kasei]

Axel: is there a way to do that through the conf. system?

14:41:49 [LeeF]

kasei: you can type "zakim, mute me"

14:42:18 [AndyS_]

Steve Harris

14:42:34 [AxelPolleres]

kasei, type "Zakim, mute me"

14:42:36 [Susie]

Susie has joined #sparql

14:43:14 [swh]

"Luke Wilson-Mawer"

14:43:50 [bijan]

zakim, unmute me

14:43:50 [Zakim]

bijan should no longer be muted

14:43:55 [AndyS_]

Bijan Parsia

14:44:01 [kasei]

zakim, mute me

14:44:01 [Zakim]

kasei should now be muted

14:45:10 [bijan]

zakim, mute me

14:45:10 [Zakim]

bijan should now be muted

14:45:13 [AxelPolleres]

we'd kindly request people to also send intro mails to the mailing list, and also enter an introduction to the wiki (http://www.w3.org/2009/sparql/wiki).

14:45:16 [kasei]

zakim, unmute me

14:45:16 [Zakim]

kasei should no longer be muted

14:45:21 [AndyS_]

Greg Williams

14:46:05 [kasei]

zakim, mute me

14:46:05 [Zakim]

kasei should now be muted

14:46:12 [AndyS_]

Eric Prud'hommeaux

14:46:55 [AndyS_]

W3C staff contacts: EricP and Ivan Herman

14:47:12 [AndyS_]

Orri Erling

14:47:27 [AndyS_]

Ivan Mikhailov

14:47:37 [AxelPolleres]

orri and ivan on the same phone line (for attendees list)

14:48:14 [iv_an_ru]

Orri is at Utrecht and I'm in Novosibirsk, I guess that lines differ.

14:49:39 [AndyS_]

Dave Newman

14:50:11 [AndyS_]

(Dan Schutzer not attending today)

14:51:02 [AndyS_]

Phil Brooks

14:52:30 [Phil]

Hi, Bijan!

14:52:33 [Phil]

Jenna Zhou

14:53:00 [AndyS_]

Alex Passant

14:53:33 [LeeF]

Andy Seaborne

14:53:37 [AxelPolleres]

On http://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=35463 I don't see yet all of the people here.

14:54:04 [bijan]

+1 to AndyS speed point

14:54:16 [swh]

+1

14:55:55 [bijan]

Oops. Manchester is likely to have a second person as well, someone who's been heavily involved with a joint UManchester/Seimans project

14:56:10 [AndyS_]

HP will be represented by two people: Andy Seaborne and Ahmed Ezzat

14:57:16 [AndyS_]

Weekly telecon : discussion on timing

14:57:43 [AndyS_]

Issue: PST is 06:30 and we have people on the west coast

14:58:01 [AxelPolleres]

(when typing, please mute yourselves)

14:58:32 [AndyS_]

Also clash with RIF calls just after SPARQL

14:58:48 [AndyS_]

LeeF: Meetings usually an hour

14:59:17 [AndyS_]

Dave: 7am is OK

14:59:38 [Zakim]

-daveNewman

15:00:11 [AndyS_]

LeeF: Suggestion 15:00Z

15:00:34 [bijan]

zakim, unmute me

15:00:34 [Zakim]

bijan should no longer be muted

15:00:35 [AndyS_]

AxelPolleres: then limits me to one hour due to RIF

15:01:11 [AndyS_]

15:00Z = 10am EST = 7am PST until clocks change

15:01:33 [AndyS_]

Bijan: teach some of those slots but UManchester will have two people.

15:01:34 [bijan]

zakim, mute me

15:01:40 [Zakim]

bijan should now be muted

15:01:57 [bijan]

I appreciate the chairs consideration

15:02:30 [AndyS_]

LeeF: Days other than Tuesday is tricky for chairs/staff contacts

15:02:47 [bijan]

If the chairs are willing for asynch feedback from me on the days that I can't attend, I would be grateful

15:02:55 [AndyS_]

Phil: 10am OK but Singapore would be a problem.

15:02:56 [LeeF]

Very happy for async feedback

15:04:04 [LeeF]

agenda?

15:04:06 [AndyS_]

LeeF: For now, 15:00Z telecons -- 10am EST -- 7am PST

15:04:39 [swh]

http://www.w3.org/2009/01/sparql-charter

15:04:58 [AndyS_]

Charter discussion

15:05:12 [AndyS_]

LeeF: 18 months running time.

15:05:24 [AndyS_]

... key point

15:05:39 [AndyS_]

... RECs from last time (QL, Protocol, Results)

15:06:20 [AndyS_]

... also JSON Results format -- WG Note

15:07:00 [AndyS_]

... charter for adding key features for users; things that have been impelemnted and used sufficiently widely

15:07:31 [AndyS_]

... all SPARQL v1 queries shouldl be the same

15:07:48 [AndyS_]

... scope suggestions:

15:07:52 [AndyS_]

... update and delete

15:08:11 [AndyS_]

... aggregate functions

15:08:24 [AndyS_]

... new filters and functions

15:08:37 [AndyS_]

... interoperability (e.g. service description)

15:08:50 [AndyS_]

... describe inference regime

15:08:59 [AndyS_]

... make DESCRIBE more interoperable

15:09:13 [AndyS_]

... (was non-normative in REC)

15:09:25 [AndyS_]

... consider an XML syntax for SPARQL

15:09:57 [swh]

(project named expressions was missed I think)

15:10:00 [AndyS_]

... next week : round table for members to state what they see needed

15:10:36 [AndyS_]

EricP: Do some to meet schedule then flesh out if more time

15:11:00 [AndyS_]

LeeF: step one is UC&R (2 minths - maybe 6 weeks) will fix the features

15:11:15 [AndyS_]

... charter says prioritize

15:12:43 [iv_an_ru]

Shouldn't we make a table with row per feature and column per implementation, to enumerate SPARQL extensions do we have implemented already?

15:12:57 [iv_an_ru]

in a wiki

15:12:59 [AndyS_]

AxelPolleres: after 6 weeks we can close the feature set to stay on schedule

15:13:27 [AndyS_]

Orri: Implemented extensions - will submit the prioritized extensions

15:13:50 [AndyS_]

LeeF: Want to gather what's out there

15:14:02 [AndyS_]

... inc popularity

15:14:13 [AndyS_]

... then juggle.

15:14:32 [AndyS_]

... Other deliverables: REC updates

15:14:43 [AndyS_]

... already one month late :-)

15:14:48 [AndyS_]

(Only??!!)

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15:15:27 [AndyS_]

LeeF: Travel may be an issue (economic issues)

15:15:33 [AndyS_]

... likely less F2F

15:15:37 [AndyS_]

q+

15:15:51 [swh]

q+

15:15:54 [AndyS_]

... first F2F around end of UC&R

15:16:26 [LeeF]

ack AndyS_

15:16:37 [bijan]

+1 to AndyS

15:16:53 [bijan]

I've done a bunch of remote F2F participation

15:17:12 [LeeF]

ack swh

15:17:15 [bijan]

I'd even go down to bristol or host UK folks so we have some "nodes" of f2f particpating at weird hours

15:17:16 [AndyS_]

AndyS_: virtual F2F : will set aside time to attend properly even if remote

15:17:33 [bijan]

Manchester has a nice room for telepresence

15:17:40 [bijan]

The "Access Grid"

15:17:53 [swh]

+1

15:18:57 [swh]

may 5,6,7 is ok for me

15:19:15 [AndyS_]

LeeF: timing: 1st week May (5th May ish)

15:19:31 [AndyS_]

... Location: Boston

15:19:42 [ywang4]

Hi, i just got here. May 4-6 are best for me

15:19:45 [AndyS_]

... maybe other links (e.g.UK)

15:19:57 [ywang4]

it's Yimin from Lilly

15:20:02 [bijan]

Not great for me

15:20:19 [iv_an_ru]

May 1-10 is not very convenient for me but I'm probably missing F2f anyway.

15:20:25 [AndyS_]

Looks OK at the moment

15:20:36 [bijan]

Mon-tues much worse than wed-fri

15:20:52 [AndyS_]

(how many Lilly people are there in the WG?)

15:21:22 [ywang4]

I think Susie and me here

15:21:29 [Phil]

Plus Phil and Jenna

15:21:51 [AndyS_]

LeeF: will try for 5&6 May

15:21:53 [Phil]

Jenna, though, may not participate quite as often

15:21:58 [AndyS_]

... will take to email

15:22:13 [AndyS_]

Axel: WBS

15:23:18 [ywang4]

Hi Phil, I didn't notice you are here as well

15:23:49 [AndyS_]

LeeF: Comments and questions?

15:24:14 [AndyS_]

AxelPolleres: Self-intros to the list

15:24:55 [AxelPolleres]

Please all send self-introductions until next week.

15:25:07 [AndyS_]

LeeF: Chairs will seek out editors for documents over time

15:25:39 [AndyS_]

End of meeting

15:25:46 [Zakim]

-bijan

15:26:04 [AndyS_]

EricP - can you remind of the minutes magic?

15:26:39 [AxelPolleres]

zakim, list attendees

15:26:39 [Zakim]

As of this point the attendees have been AxelPolleres, Garlik, bijan, Lee_Feigenbaum, AndyS_, +1.518.276.aaaa, EricP, OpenLink, kasei, +1.415.371.aacc, Phil_Brooks, iv_an_ru,

15:26:42 [Zakim]

... daveNewman, alepas

15:26:58 [LeeF]

AndyS, I will take care of the minutes and get them online

15:27:24 [LeeF]

RRSAgent, draft minutes please

15:27:24 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/02/24-sparql-minutes.html LeeF

15:27:31 [LeeF]

RRSAgent, make logs world

15:27:32 [bijan]

bijan has left #sparql

15:27:33 [AndyS_]

LeeF - thx.

15:28:58 [AxelPolleres]

who is ywang4? thanks!

15:29:07 [ywang4]

Yimin Wang

15:29:10 [ericP]

luke.wilson-mawer@garlik.com

15:29:11 [ywang4]

from Lilly Singapore

15:29:11 [LeeF]

ywang4 is Yimin Wang from Eli Lilly

15:29:49 [ericP]

From: Lee Feigenbaum <lee@thefigtrees.net>

15:29:49 [ericP]

Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 12:54:36 -0500

15:29:49 [ericP]

To: 'SPARQL Working Group' <public-rdf-dawg@w3.org>

15:29:49 [ericP]

Subject: First SPARQL Working Group Meeting - Tues. Feb 24th

15:29:49 [ericP]

Message-ID: <499C4B5C.6010202@thefigtrees.net>

15:29:51 [ericP]

Resent-From: public-rdf-dawg@w3.org

15:29:53 [ericP]

Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 17:55:29 +0000

15:30:06 [LeeF]

Yimin, before you joined, we agreed to have our weekly calls at 15:00Z on Tuesdays - I know that that is quite late for you - do you think you still might be able to participate? (trying to balance time zones)

15:30:25 [ywang4]

Should be no problem

15:30:52 [ericP]

j_phil_brooks@lilly.com

15:31:36 [LeeF]

thanks, Yimin :)

15:32:12 [ericP]

ywang4, could you post me your email address?

15:32:34 [ywang4]

wangyimin@lilly.com

15:33:31 [Zakim]

-OpenLink

15:33:42 [ywang4]

so it looks like the f2f meeting will be 5 and 6 May at Boston?

15:34:37 [iv_an_ru]

I would be nice to know the date/place in advance due to visa headache.

15:34:40 [LeeF]

That's my best guess at the moment, Yimin, but we'll decide in the next week or two

15:34:53 [Zakim]

-Phil_Brooks

15:34:54 [Zakim]

-Lee_Feigenbaum

15:34:57 [Zakim]

-iv_an_ru

15:34:59 [Zakim]

-kasei

15:35:03 [Zakim]

-alepas

15:35:09 [Zakim]

-Garlik

15:35:14 [Zakim]

-EricP

15:35:19 [Zakim]

-AndyS_

15:35:23 [Zakim]

-AxelPolleres

15:35:23 [Zakim]

Team_(sparql)14:27Z has ended

15:35:24 [Zakim]

Attendees were AxelPolleres, Garlik, bijan, Lee_Feigenbaum, AndyS_, +1.518.276.aaaa, EricP, OpenLink, kasei, +1.415.371.aacc, Phil_Brooks, iv_an_ru, daveNewman, alepas

15:35:47 [AxelPolleres]

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15:37:52 [ywang4]

I see, I will proceed with these dates

15:38:45 [LeeF]

iv_an_ru, if we settle it for sure in one or two weeks, does that give you enough time?

15:40:02 [ywang4]

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15:42:52 [LeeF]

ericP, can you setup our calls going forward for 10:00AM ET with code 77277?

16:03:35 [ericP]

yep

16:14:12 [LeeF]

grazie

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