19:33:16 RRSAgent has joined #svg 19:33:16 logging to http://www.w3.org/2009/01/29-svg-irc 19:33:18 RRSAgent, make logs public 19:33:18 Zakim has joined #svg 19:33:20 Zakim, this will be GA_SVGWG 19:33:20 ok, trackbot, I see GA_SVGWG()2:30PM already started 19:33:21 Meeting: SVG Working Group Teleconference 19:33:21 Date: 29 January 2009 19:34:30 ChrisL has joined #svg 19:35:55 +??P1 19:35:55 i'm getting an "engaged" signal when dialing zakim. Anyone else having problems? 19:35:58 -??P0 19:35:59 +??P0 19:36:13 Zakim, who's here? 19:36:13 On the phone I see ??P0, ??P1 19:36:14 On IRC I see ChrisL, Zakim, RRSAgent, ed__, shepazu, ed_work, trackbot, heycam, anthony 19:36:25 Zakim, ??P0 is me 19:36:25 +ed__; got it 19:36:29 Zakim, ??P1 is me 19:36:29 +heycam; got it 19:36:39 zakim, self.reboot(); 19:36:39 I don't understand 'self.reboot();', ChrisL 19:36:41 +[IPcaller] 19:36:47 +Shepazu 19:36:58 Zakim, [IP is me 19:36:58 +anthony; got it 19:39:41 Zakim, pick a victim? 19:39:41 I don't understand your question, ed__. 19:39:45 Zakim, pick a victim 19:39:45 Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Shepazu 19:40:07 scribe: Doug 19:40:16 scribeNick: shepazu 19:40:25 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2009JanMar/0068.html 19:40:37 zakim, dial chris-work 19:40:37 ok, ChrisL; the call is being made 19:40:39 +Chris 19:41:17 Topic: Issue-2007 19:41:23 Issue-2007? 19:41:23 ISSUE-2007 -- 'enable-background' Property Duplicated in Compositing and Filters Modules -- RAISED 19:41:23 http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/track/issues/2007 19:41:29 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2009JanMar/0066.html 19:41:37 zakim, who is here? 19:41:37 On the phone I see ed__, heycam, anthony, Shepazu, Chris (muted) 19:41:38 On IRC I see ChrisL, Zakim, RRSAgent, ed__, shepazu, ed_work, trackbot, heycam, anthony 19:41:42 -Chris 19:42:20 anthony: I ran across this while doing my actions regarding the compositing module 19:42:35 ... seems like there's an incompatibility 19:43:04 ... I'm looking into whether there is an incompatibility 19:43:40 ... the original compositing module from SVG Full 1.2 followed the Adobe model, so that might be the reason 19:43:55 ... I'll confirm this by next week 19:44:56 ed: so, is the wording in your module different than that in 1.2 Full, or is it only with filters? 19:45:12 anthony: no, it's close to what was in Full 1.2 19:45:32 ... I did take the wording closely from the filters module 19:46:03 ... so the incompatibility arises between compositing and filtering 19:47:49 when you composite in filters using feComposite, it ends up compositing the background twice, whereas with compositing module, it writes it to a buffer 19:48:23 s/when you composite/anthony: when you composite/ 19:48:50 s/it writes it to a buffer/it just writes it to a buffer/ 19:49:37 ... that is, all the child elements you composite 19:49:40 ... the example shows the differences quite clearly 19:50:00 .... and there are differences between "accumulate" and "new" 19:51:30 shepazu: is it possible to use both values, and maybe use an attribute value to switch between them? 19:52:12 ed: we could have 2 behaviors, because it's used in different contexts, but do we want that? 19:52:45 ... in filters, it's only used when you have @enable-background 19:53:10 and only when the keyword BackgroundImage is used in the filter 19:53:24 and BackgroundAlpha 19:53:26 anthony: also, in the compositing module, I do talk about access to the background 19:53:30 ChrisL has joined #svg 19:54:29 anthony: we can talk about this at the f2f 19:54:53 ... for printing, it may be necessary to keep the Compositing module as it is 19:55:39 ed: you would get something drawn if you used CompOps, right? 19:55:59 anthony: yes, it is technically an error if you don't use it 19:56:05 s/ if you used CompOps, right?/ if you used enablebackground on the root and didn't use any CompOps, right?/ 19:56:51 ed: yes, let's talk about it at the F2F... I can add that to the agenda page 19:56:59 s/an error if you don't use it/an error if you don't have a background/ 19:57:31 ed: there is the question of how much content would change if we changed filters 19:57:52 anthony: I am not convinced that we would need to change the behavior of filters 19:58:08 ed: so you're recommending that we keep both behaviors 19:58:36 anthony: yes, if that's possible... maybe we could change names of the attributes, to make a distinction 19:58:41 http://dev.w3.org/SVG/modules/compositing/master/SVGCompositing.html 19:58:53 anthony: I did make some of the changes Erik requested 19:59:43 ... I added in the graeter-than/less-than for the optional x/y/width/height values 20:00:02 ... and added a definition for them as well 20:00:20 s/graeter/greater/ 20:01:05 anthony: should we hold off publication, or go ahead? 20:02:15 shepazu: how about we wait until after the f2f 20:03:55 Topic: SVG Full 1.2 scratchspace module 20:04:17 ed: I think it might be good to at least start the framework for the next major spec 20:04:31 ... something that brings in Tiny with the Modules 20:04:56 ... some of the stuff is best not done in modules, such as cleaning up the SVG DOM 20:05:18 heycam: animation doesn't correspond to a module, either 20:06:20 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2009JanMar/0173.html 20:06:38 shepazu: this is from mozilla's review of widgets 20:07:39 shepazu: the basic issue is around different use profiles 20:07:40 http://www.schepers.cc/svg/blendups/embedding.html 20:09:44 shepazu: I don't talk there about multimedia, but that's another issue (audio, video) 20:10:05 heycam: what's the purpose of this scratchspace? 20:10:33 ... is it all the stuff that doesn't fit in a module, along with how to integrate the modules together? 20:11:28 ed: yes, we do need to start someplace to put all that 20:13:17 shepazu: I think we can just start this spec, and decide later exactly how we are going to put the next spec together 20:13:44 ed: I don't think most of the raised issues would fit in an established module 20:14:03 ... we can at least start the work in this scratch module 20:14:43 ... we can split parts out later, if we decide that's best 20:17:04 ed: we could all be editors 20:17:15 shepazu: yeah, I'm happy to start it and add some structure 20:19:37 ... I'd like the featurestrings to be derived automatically from the schema 20:20:44 Action: shepazu to start core/scratch module 20:20:44 Created ACTION-2426 - Start core/scratch module [on Doug Schepers - due 2009-02-05]. 20:21:26 Topic: ISSUE-2205 20:21:27 ISSUE-2205? 20:21:27 ISSUE-2205 -- Consider adding support for stretched, wrapped text in a