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13:11:47 <squillace> Zakim, this will be ERT
13:11:47 <Zakim> ok, squillace; I see WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM scheduled to start in 19 minutes
13:13:25 <squillace> agenda+ Pointers in RDF
13:14:04 <squillace> zakim, remove agendum 1
13:14:04 <Zakim> agendum 1, Pointers in RDF, dropped
13:14:35 <squillace> agenda+ Pointers in RDF: final review and decision on publication
13:14:56 <squillace> zakim, agenda?
13:14:56 <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
13:14:57 <Zakim> 2. Pointers in RDF: final review and decision on publication [from squillace]
13:15:39 <squillace> agenda+ Check-in on other deliverables
13:16:11 <squillace> agenda+ Next meetings
13:17:35 <squillace> Meeting: ERT WG
13:18:45 <squillace> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2009Jan/0010.html
13:18:56 <squillace> Chair: Mike
13:24:17 <squillace> zakim, agenda?
13:24:17 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda:
13:24:18 <Zakim> 2. Pointers in RDF: final review and decision on publication [from squillace]
13:24:20 <Zakim> 3. Check-in on other deliverables [from squillace]
13:24:21 <Zakim> 4. Next meetings [from squillace]
13:27:08 <shadi> scribe: Shadi
13:27:51 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has now started
13:27:58 <Zakim> + +1.512.286.aaaa
13:28:16 <squillace> zakim, +1.512 is squillace
13:28:16 <Zakim> +squillace; got it
13:29:35 <shadi> zakim, call shadi-617
13:29:35 <Zakim> ok, shadi; the call is being made
13:29:36 <Zakim> +Shadi
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13:32:00 <Zakim> +Carlos_Iglesias
13:33:42 <shadi> zakim, mute me
13:33:42 <Zakim> Shadi should now be muted
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13:34:13 <shadi> zakim, unmute me
13:34:13 <Zakim> Shadi should no longer be muted
13:34:16 <Zakim> +cvelasco
13:34:55 <JohannesK> zakim, cvelasco is really me
13:34:55 <Zakim> +JohannesK; got it
13:35:17 <shadi> zakim, mute me
13:35:17 <Zakim> Shadi should now be muted
13:35:28 <squillace> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2009Jan/0004.html
13:35:35 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 1
13:35:35 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Pointers in RDF" taken up [from squillace]
13:35:57 <shadi> MS: objective is to get consensus on publishing
13:36:08 <squillace> response from CI: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2009Jan/0012.html
13:37:01 <squillace> zakim, take up next agendum
13:37:01 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Pointers in RDF: final review and decision on publication" taken up [from squillace]
13:37:07 <cvelasco> cvelasco has joined #er
13:38:09 <cvelasco> I will join in a couple of minutes
13:38:18 <shadi> MS: tried to generalize abstract
13:38:28 <shadi> ..and refine in later sections
13:39:42 <shadi> CI: we start talking about content rather than pointers
13:39:55 <shadi> ...maybe need to focus more on the pointers aspect
13:40:43 <shadi> MS: remove definition and just talk about pointers?
13:40:53 <shadi> CI: or move to the end of the abstract
13:40:55 <shadi> ack me
13:44:11 <shadi> SAZ: like the approach of explaining that we are talkng about different types of content, then to go into pointers
13:44:21 <shadi> ...but maybe too much detail and definition
13:44:44 <shadi> ...note that the abstract will also be reviewed by others as part of the publication process
13:45:04 <shadi> MS: what do we need for status of the document?
13:46:35 <shadi> SAZ: status of the document should always be the "living breathing" part of the document
13:48:06 <Zakim> +JohannesK.a
13:48:32 <shadi> ...it should explain what the purpose of this draft is, and what we expect from the reader
13:49:13 <cvelasco> zakim, johannesK.a is really cvelasco
13:49:13 <Zakim> +cvelasco; got it
13:54:07 <shadi> action: msquillac to update Abstract and Status of the Document
13:54:07 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - msquillac
13:54:24 <shadi> action: msquilla to update Abstract and Status of the Document
13:54:24 <trackbot> Created ACTION-71 - Update Abstract and Status of the Document [on Michael Squillace - due 2009-02-04].
13:54:58 <shadi> action: shadi to look into CVS access for editors
13:54:58 <trackbot> Created ACTION-72 - Look into CVS access for editors [on Shadi Abou-Zahra - due 2009-02-04].
13:56:32 <shadi> MS: namespace?
13:56:38 <shadi> SAZ: will have to be 2009
13:58:28 <shadi> action: carlosI to replace http://www.w3.org/2008/pointers with http://www.w3.org/2009/pointers
13:58:29 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - carlosI
13:58:55 <carlosI> action: ciglesia to replace http://www.w3.org/2008/pointers with http://www.w3.org/2009/pointer
13:58:55 <trackbot> Created ACTION-73 - Replace http://www.w3.org/2008/pointers with http://www.w3.org/2009/pointer [on Carlos Iglesias - due 2009-02-04].
13:59:33 <shadi> MS: some pointers should be abstract
14:00:03 <shadi> ...must adapt the language accordingly
14:00:23 <shadi> CI: agree but may be difficult to express semantically
14:01:13 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/EARL10/WD-EARL10-Schema-20081126#TestMode
14:02:44 <shadi> SAZ: will need careful wording
14:03:07 <shadi> CI: then RFC keywords loose their meaning if we can't put definitive restricitons
14:06:06 <shadi> SAZ: think the issue is using the keywords to express application-specific restrictions
14:06:33 <shadi> ...but to keep this separate from the semantics
14:10:03 <shadi> MS: should we frame issue as a question?
14:15:17 <shadi> SAZ: suggest adding an editor note to section 1.2 that we are looking into the use of the keywords
14:15:26 <shadi> ...but publish the document as-is
14:17:33 <shadi> action: ciglesia add editor's note to section 1.2 about revising the use of keywords
14:17:33 <trackbot> Created ACTION-74 - Add editor's note to section 1.2 about revising the use of keywords [on Carlos Iglesias - due 2009-02-04].
14:20:53 <shadi> action: ciglesia to remove section 2.3.4
14:20:53 <trackbot> Created ACTION-75 - Remove section 2.3.4 [on Carlos Iglesias - due 2009-02-04].
14:22:51 <shadi> action: ciglesia to rename compound pointer
14:22:51 <trackbot> Created ACTION-76 - Rename compound pointer [on Carlos Iglesias - due 2009-02-04].
14:25:46 <shadi> MS: in 2.4.2, does it means that tools have to process Content-in-RDF?
14:25:54 <shadi> SAZ: no, only this one property
14:27:25 <shadi> action: ciglesia rename ptr:pointer to ptr:groupPointer
14:27:25 <trackbot> Created ACTION-77 - Rename ptr:pointer to ptr:groupPointer [on Carlos Iglesias - due 2009-02-04].
14:29:11 <shadi> RESOLUTION: to publish Pointer-in-RDF as a first public working draft, with the changes discussed
14:29:32 <squillace> zakim, take up next agendum
14:29:32 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Check-in on other deliverables" taken up [from squillace]
14:29:47 <squillace> zakim, take up next agendum
14:29:47 <Zakim> agendum 3 was just opened, squillace
14:29:49 <shadi> deferred
14:29:59 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 4
14:30:00 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Next meetings" taken up [from squillace]
14:30:39 <cvelasco> cvelasco has left #er
14:30:40 <Zakim> -JohannesK
14:30:41 <Zakim> -squillace
14:30:43 <Zakim> -cvelasco
14:30:43 <shadi> next meeting: Wednesday 4 February
14:30:46 <Zakim> -Carlos_Iglesias
14:30:48 <Zakim> -Shadi
14:30:50 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has ended
14:30:51 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.512.286.aaaa, squillace, Shadi, Carlos_Iglesias, JohannesK, cvelasco
14:31:26 <shadi> trackbot, end meeting
14:31:26 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
14:31:27 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
14:31:27 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
14:31:27 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/01/28-er-minutes.html trackbot
14:31:28 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
14:52:28 <shadi> rrsagent, make logs world
14:52:32 <shadi> rrsagent, make minutes
14:52:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/01/28-er-minutes.html shadi
14:52:33 <shadi> rrsagent, make logs world
14:52:36 <shadi> rrsagent, bye
14:52:36 <RRSAgent> I see 9 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/28-er-actions.rdf :
14:52:36 <RRSAgent> ACTION: msquillac to update Abstract and Status of the Document [1]
14:52:36 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/28-er-irc#T13-54-07
14:52:36 <RRSAgent> ACTION: msquilla to update Abstract and Status of the Document [2]
14:52:36 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/28-er-irc#T13-54-24
14:52:36 <RRSAgent> ACTION: shadi to look into CVS access for editors [3]
14:52:36 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/28-er-irc#T13-54-58
14:52:36 <RRSAgent> ACTION: carlosI to replace http://www.w3.org/2008/pointers with http://www.w3.org/2009/pointers [4]
14:52:36 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/28-er-irc#T13-58-28
14:52:36 <RRSAgent> ACTION: ciglesia to replace http://www.w3.org/2008/pointers with http://www.w3.org/2009/pointer [5]
14:52:36 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/28-er-irc#T13-58-55
14:52:36 <RRSAgent> ACTION: ciglesia add editor's note to section 1.2 about revising the use of keywords [6]
14:52:36 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/28-er-irc#T14-17-33
14:52:36 <RRSAgent> ACTION: ciglesia to remove section 2.3.4 [7]
14:52:36 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/28-er-irc#T14-20-53
14:52:36 <RRSAgent> ACTION: ciglesia to rename compound pointer [8]
14:52:36 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/28-er-irc#T14-22-51
14:52:36 <RRSAgent> ACTION: ciglesia rename ptr:pointer to ptr:groupPointer [9]
14:52:36 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/28-er-irc#T14-27-25