IRC log of er on 2009-01-28

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13:10:53 [RRSAgent]

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13:11:47 [squillace]

Zakim, this will be ERT

13:11:47 [Zakim]

ok, squillace; I see WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM scheduled to start in 19 minutes

13:13:25 [squillace]

agenda+ Pointers in RDF

13:14:04 [squillace]

zakim, remove agendum 1

13:14:04 [Zakim]

agendum 1, Pointers in RDF, dropped

13:14:35 [squillace]

agenda+ Pointers in RDF: final review and decision on publication

13:14:56 [squillace]

zakim, agenda?

13:14:56 [Zakim]

I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:

13:14:57 [Zakim]

2. Pointers in RDF: final review and decision on publication [from squillace]

13:15:39 [squillace]

agenda+ Check-in on other deliverables

13:16:11 [squillace]

agenda+ Next meetings

13:17:35 [squillace]

Meeting: ERT WG

13:18:45 [squillace]

Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2009Jan/0010.html

13:18:56 [squillace]

Chair: Mike

13:24:17 [squillace]

zakim, agenda?

13:24:17 [Zakim]

I see 3 items remaining on the agenda:

13:24:18 [Zakim]

2. Pointers in RDF: final review and decision on publication [from squillace]

13:24:20 [Zakim]

3. Check-in on other deliverables [from squillace]

13:24:21 [Zakim]

4. Next meetings [from squillace]

13:27:08 [shadi]

scribe: Shadi

13:27:51 [Zakim]

WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has now started

13:27:58 [Zakim]

+ +1.512.286.aaaa

13:28:16 [squillace]

zakim, +1.512 is squillace

13:28:16 [Zakim]

+squillace; got it

13:29:35 [shadi]

zakim, call shadi-617

13:29:35 [Zakim]

ok, shadi; the call is being made

13:29:36 [Zakim]

+Shadi

13:31:02 [carlosI]

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+Carlos_Iglesias

13:33:42 [shadi]

zakim, mute me

13:33:42 [Zakim]

Shadi should now be muted

13:34:00 [JohannesK]

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13:34:13 [shadi]

zakim, unmute me

13:34:13 [Zakim]

Shadi should no longer be muted

13:34:16 [Zakim]

+cvelasco

13:34:55 [JohannesK]

zakim, cvelasco is really me

13:34:55 [Zakim]

+JohannesK; got it

13:35:17 [shadi]

zakim, mute me

13:35:17 [Zakim]

Shadi should now be muted

13:35:28 [squillace]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2009Jan/0004.html

13:35:35 [shadi]

zakim, take up agendum 1

13:35:35 [Zakim]

agendum 1. "Pointers in RDF" taken up [from squillace]

13:35:57 [shadi]

MS: objective is to get consensus on publishing

13:36:08 [squillace]

response from CI: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2009Jan/0012.html

13:37:01 [squillace]

zakim, take up next agendum

13:37:01 [Zakim]

agendum 2. "Pointers in RDF: final review and decision on publication" taken up [from squillace]

13:37:07 [cvelasco]

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I will join in a couple of minutes

13:38:18 [shadi]

MS: tried to generalize abstract

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..and refine in later sections

13:39:42 [shadi]

CI: we start talking about content rather than pointers

13:39:55 [shadi]

...maybe need to focus more on the pointers aspect

13:40:43 [shadi]

MS: remove definition and just talk about pointers?

13:40:53 [shadi]

CI: or move to the end of the abstract

13:40:55 [shadi]

ack me

13:44:11 [shadi]

SAZ: like the approach of explaining that we are talkng about different types of content, then to go into pointers

13:44:21 [shadi]

...but maybe too much detail and definition

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...note that the abstract will also be reviewed by others as part of the publication process

13:45:04 [shadi]

MS: what do we need for status of the document?

13:46:35 [shadi]

SAZ: status of the document should always be the "living breathing" part of the document

13:48:06 [Zakim]

+JohannesK.a

13:48:32 [shadi]

...it should explain what the purpose of this draft is, and what we expect from the reader

13:49:13 [cvelasco]

zakim, johannesK.a is really cvelasco

13:49:13 [Zakim]

+cvelasco; got it

13:54:07 [shadi]

action: msquillac to update Abstract and Status of the Document

13:54:07 [trackbot]

Sorry, couldn't find user - msquillac

13:54:24 [shadi]

action: msquilla to update Abstract and Status of the Document

13:54:24 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-71 - Update Abstract and Status of the Document [on Michael Squillace - due 2009-02-04].

13:54:58 [shadi]

action: shadi to look into CVS access for editors

13:54:58 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-72 - Look into CVS access for editors [on Shadi Abou-Zahra - due 2009-02-04].

13:56:32 [shadi]

MS: namespace?

13:56:38 [shadi]

SAZ: will have to be 2009

13:58:28 [shadi]

action: carlosI to replace http://www.w3.org/2008/pointers with http://www.w3.org/2009/pointers

13:58:29 [trackbot]

Sorry, couldn't find user - carlosI

13:58:55 [carlosI]

action: ciglesia to replace http://www.w3.org/2008/pointers with http://www.w3.org/2009/pointer

13:58:55 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-73 - Replace http://www.w3.org/2008/pointers with http://www.w3.org/2009/pointer [on Carlos Iglesias - due 2009-02-04].

13:59:33 [shadi]

MS: some pointers should be abstract

14:00:03 [shadi]

...must adapt the language accordingly

14:00:23 [shadi]

CI: agree but may be difficult to express semantically

14:01:13 [shadi]

http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/EARL10/WD-EARL10-Schema-20081126#TestMode

14:02:44 [shadi]

SAZ: will need careful wording

14:03:07 [shadi]

CI: then RFC keywords loose their meaning if we can't put definitive restricitons

14:06:06 [shadi]

SAZ: think the issue is using the keywords to express application-specific restrictions

14:06:33 [shadi]

...but to keep this separate from the semantics

14:10:03 [shadi]

MS: should we frame issue as a question?

14:15:17 [shadi]

SAZ: suggest adding an editor note to section 1.2 that we are looking into the use of the keywords

14:15:26 [shadi]

...but publish the document as-is

14:17:33 [shadi]

action: ciglesia add editor's note to section 1.2 about revising the use of keywords

14:17:33 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-74 - Add editor's note to section 1.2 about revising the use of keywords [on Carlos Iglesias - due 2009-02-04].

14:20:53 [shadi]

action: ciglesia to remove section 2.3.4

14:20:53 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-75 - Remove section 2.3.4 [on Carlos Iglesias - due 2009-02-04].

14:22:51 [shadi]

action: ciglesia to rename compound pointer

14:22:51 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-76 - Rename compound pointer [on Carlos Iglesias - due 2009-02-04].

14:25:46 [shadi]

MS: in 2.4.2, does it means that tools have to process Content-in-RDF?

14:25:54 [shadi]

SAZ: no, only this one property

14:27:25 [shadi]

action: ciglesia rename ptr:pointer to ptr:groupPointer

14:27:25 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-77 - Rename ptr:pointer to ptr:groupPointer [on Carlos Iglesias - due 2009-02-04].

14:29:11 [shadi]

RESOLUTION: to publish Pointer-in-RDF as a first public working draft, with the changes discussed

14:29:32 [squillace]

zakim, take up next agendum

14:29:32 [Zakim]

agendum 3. "Check-in on other deliverables" taken up [from squillace]

14:29:47 [squillace]

zakim, take up next agendum

14:29:47 [Zakim]

agendum 3 was just opened, squillace

14:29:49 [shadi]

deferred

14:29:59 [shadi]

zakim, take up agendum 4

14:30:00 [Zakim]

agendum 4. "Next meetings" taken up [from squillace]

14:30:39 [cvelasco]

cvelasco has left #er

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-JohannesK

14:30:41 [Zakim]

-squillace

14:30:43 [Zakim]

-cvelasco

14:30:43 [shadi]

next meeting: Wednesday 4 February

14:30:46 [Zakim]

-Carlos_Iglesias

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-Shadi

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WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has ended

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Attendees were +1.512.286.aaaa, squillace, Shadi, Carlos_Iglesias, JohannesK, cvelasco

14:31:26 [shadi]

trackbot, end meeting

14:31:26 [trackbot]

Zakim, list attendees

14:31:27 [Zakim]

sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is

14:31:27 [trackbot]

RRSAgent, please draft minutes

14:31:27 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/01/28-er-minutes.html trackbot

14:31:28 [trackbot]

RRSAgent, bye

14:52:28 [shadi]

rrsagent, make logs world

14:52:32 [shadi]

rrsagent, make minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/01/28-er-minutes.html shadi

14:52:33 [shadi]

rrsagent, make logs world

14:52:36 [shadi]

rrsagent, bye

14:52:36 [RRSAgent]

I see 9 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/28-er-actions.rdf :

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ACTION: msquillac to update Abstract and Status of the Document [1]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/28-er-irc#T13-54-07

14:52:36 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: msquilla to update Abstract and Status of the Document [2]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/28-er-irc#T13-54-24

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ACTION: shadi to look into CVS access for editors [3]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/28-er-irc#T13-54-58

14:52:36 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: carlosI to replace http://www.w3.org/2008/pointers with http://www.w3.org/2009/pointers [4]

14:52:36 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/28-er-irc#T13-58-28

14:52:36 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: ciglesia to replace http://www.w3.org/2008/pointers with http://www.w3.org/2009/pointer [5]

14:52:36 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/28-er-irc#T13-58-55

14:52:36 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: ciglesia add editor's note to section 1.2 about revising the use of keywords [6]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/28-er-irc#T14-17-33

14:52:36 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: ciglesia to remove section 2.3.4 [7]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/28-er-irc#T14-20-53

14:52:36 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: ciglesia to rename compound pointer [8]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/28-er-irc#T14-22-51

14:52:36 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: ciglesia rename ptr:pointer to ptr:groupPointer [9]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/28-er-irc#T14-27-25