IRC log of tsdtf on 2009-01-27

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13:29:03 [Christophe]

zakim, what conferences?

13:29:03 [Zakim]

I see Team_(Najib)13:16Z, Team_(recruit)13:17Z, UW_Team()8:00AM, IA_MAWG()8:00AM active

13:29:05 [Zakim]

also scheduled at this time are Team_(Najib)12:59Z, WAI_TSDTF()8:30AM, IA_CDFWG()8:30AM, ARCH_Team()8:00AM

13:29:11 [Christophe]

zakim, this will be WAI_TSDTF

13:29:11 [Zakim]

ok, Christophe; I see WAI_TSDTF()8:30AM scheduled to start in 1 minute

13:29:22 [Christophe]

Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert-tsdtf/2009Jan/0012.html

13:29:26 [Christophe]

Meeting: WAI TSDTF

13:29:34 [Christophe]

Chair: CarlosV, Christophe

13:29:49 [Christophe]

Agenda http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert-tsdtf/2009Jan/0010.html

13:29:55 [shadi]

zakim, code?

13:29:55 [Zakim]

the conference code is 8783 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), shadi

13:29:59 [Christophe]

Agenda+ Web interface for displaying test samples

13:30:09 [Christophe]

Agenda+ Test samples review status

13:30:19 [Christophe]

Agenda+ New time slot?

13:30:32 [Zakim]

WAI_TSDTF()8:30AM has now started

13:30:41 [Zakim]

+Carlos_Iglesias

13:30:42 [Zakim]

+Shadi

13:32:50 [Zakim]

+??P17

13:33:10 [Christophe]

zakim, ??P17 is Christophe_Strobbe

13:33:10 [Zakim]

+Christophe_Strobbe; got it

13:33:36 [MichaelC]

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+Cooper

13:34:38 [cvelasco]

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13:35:24 [Zakim]

+JohannesK

13:36:07 [shadi]

scribe: Shadi

13:36:16 [shadi]

scribenick: Shadi

13:36:22 [Christophe]

zakim, take up agendum 1

13:36:22 [Zakim]

agendum 1. "Web interface for displaying test samples" taken up [from Christophe]

13:36:27 [cvelasco]

zakim, johannesK is really cvelasco

13:36:27 [Zakim]

+cvelasco; got it

13:36:40 [Christophe]

http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/tests/Overview

13:37:47 [shadi]

CS: Shadi updated the mockups

13:38:04 [shadi]

...the search page

13:38:06 [shadi]

http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/tests/simple

13:41:05 [shadi]

SAZ: may need additional tweaks based on experience from using the search functions

13:41:23 [shadi]

...may also use some wording and presentation tweaks, maybe EOWG can help

13:41:36 [shadi]

...for now, is this the functionality that we want?

13:41:52 [Zakim]

+ +1.301.987.aaaa

13:42:13 [shadi]

zakim, aaaa is Tim

13:42:13 [Zakim]

+Tim; got it

13:44:43 [shadi]

SAZ: we had talked about categorizing Techniques or Test Samples into "automatable" or not

13:44:52 [shadi]

...is this a priority to consider now?

13:45:07 [shadi]

CS: we used to have this information in the BenToWeb metadata

13:45:12 [Christophe]

Automatable or not: see testMode element in TCDL: http://www.bentoweb.org/refs/TCDL2.0.html#edef-testmode

13:45:40 [shadi]

TB: we have information on the Technology, may also help selecting tests

13:47:06 [shadi]

SAZ: what kind of information is key for tool developers?

13:47:20 [shadi]

MC: all information, with the metadata, and let me deal with it myself

13:47:28 [shadi]

CV: agree with michael

13:47:53 [shadi]

CS: all tests regardless if automatable or not?

13:48:20 [shadi]

CV: yes. want information about automatable or not but want everything

13:48:38 [shadi]

MC: might have my own definition of what's automatable or not

13:48:42 [shadi]

TB: agree

13:49:29 [Zakim]

-Christophe_Strobbe

13:50:27 [Zakim]

+??P17

13:50:30 [Christophe]

zakim, ??P17 is Christophe_Strobbe

13:50:30 [Zakim]

+Christophe_Strobbe; got it

13:50:34 [shadi]

SAZ: there is the "view format" feature

13:50:41 [shadi]

...seems that this may be most useful

13:50:50 [shadi]

...may need to better highlight it or explain it

13:52:04 [shadi]

CS: techniques and technology features will be pretty long

13:52:17 [shadi]

...might be a problem to select

13:54:06 [shadi]

SAZ: ideally scripting could help pre-select these based on other criteria

13:54:31 [shadi]

...anyone has ideas for addressing this?

13:55:42 [shadi]

RESOLUTION: mockups accepted, SAZ to start implementing functionality

13:56:15 [Zakim]

-Tim

13:56:29 [shadi]

action: Shadi to add issue on AJAX scripting on the search interface into tracker

13:56:29 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-25 - Add issue on AJAX scripting on the search interface into tracker [on Shadi Abou-Zahra - due 2009-02-03].

13:58:15 [Christophe]

zakim, take up agendum 2

13:58:15 [Zakim]

agendum 2. "Test samples review status" taken up [from Christophe]

13:58:36 [shadi]

action: shadi to ask shawn if we can bring these mockups into EOWG for additional feedback (from an educational perspective)

13:58:36 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-26 - Ask shawn if we can bring these mockups into EOWG for additional feedback (from an educational perspective) [on Shadi Abou-Zahra - due 2009-02-03].

13:59:21 [Christophe]

CarlosI's review: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert-tsdtf/2009Jan/0009.html

13:59:43 [shadi]

CS: want to review that status of where we are

14:00:04 [shadi]

... CarlosI researched and summarized the situation

14:02:27 [shadi]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert-tsdtf/2009Jan/0011.html

14:04:32 [shadi]

SAZ: seems that #26 is out of synch, what are you proposing to change?

14:04:54 [shadi]

CS: expand the table to make summary attribute more useful

14:05:29 [shadi]

SAZ: so change the sample file to align it with the purpose/description?

14:05:35 [shadi]

CS: yes

14:06:25 [shadi]

action: christophe to update the sample files for test #26

14:06:25 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-27 - Update the sample files for test #26 [on Christophe Strobbe - due 2009-02-03].

14:08:23 [shadi]

CS: #36 and #41 have same issue, we have dummy page to avod 404 that is outside the naming convention

14:10:22 [shadi]

CI: two option, using a single dummy file or use one per test case

14:11:43 [shadi]

CS: have a duplicate for each test anyway, just doesn't follow the naming convention

14:11:49 [shadi]

SAZ: see no reason why

14:12:13 [shadi]

action: christophe to change names of the dummy pages for #36 and #41, to follow the naming convention

14:12:13 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-28 - Change names of the dummy pages for #36 and #41, to follow the naming convention [on Christophe Strobbe - due 2009-02-03].

14:13:47 [Christophe]

status list: http://www.w3.org/2006/tsdtf/TestSampleStatusList

14:14:09 [shadi]

CS: test samples need review

14:14:27 [shadi]

...should we start reviewing or should we wait for the automation?

14:15:53 [shadi]

SAZ: will take some time until the WG tool is ready

14:16:04 [shadi]

...may be better to do some manual reviewing

14:16:44 [shadi]

CS: even if people did 10 reviews per week it would still take until March 2010 to finish all the tests currently in the repository

14:18:51 [shadi]

SAZ: primarily Michael, CarlosI, and Tim for now

14:19:06 [shadi]

...available to do reviews?

14:19:21 [shadi]

MC: overhead so difficult that it takes too much time

14:19:46 [shadi]

...have trouble getting my head around the actual reviews

14:20:36 [shadi]

SAZ: concludes that the WG tool has much higher priority now

14:20:49 [shadi]

CS: maybe more than the public web interface

14:22:22 [shadi]

SAZ: think that at least the draft mockups are important to show our work and potentially recruit participation

14:22:34 [shadi]

...but now need to put more focus on the WG tool

14:24:05 [Christophe]

zakim, take up agendum 3

14:24:05 [Zakim]

agendum 3. "New time slot?" taken up [from Christophe]

14:24:58 [shadi]

CS: maybe a new time might make it more easy for folks in north america to attend

14:25:07 [shadi]

MC: is there a request?

14:28:19 [shadi]

SAZ: any known conflicts?

14:28:38 [shadi]

...let's defer until have a real need

14:29:01 [shadi]

Next meeting: 10 February 2009

14:29:44 [cvelasco]

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-cvelasco

14:29:48 [Zakim]

-Cooper

14:29:50 [Zakim]

-Christophe_Strobbe

14:29:53 [Zakim]

-Carlos_Iglesias

14:29:56 [shadi]

trackbot, end meeting

14:29:56 [trackbot]

Zakim, list attendees

14:29:56 [Zakim]

As of this point the attendees have been Carlos_Iglesias, Shadi, Christophe_Strobbe, Cooper, cvelasco, +1.301.987.aaaa, Tim

14:29:57 [trackbot]

RRSAgent, please draft minutes

14:29:57 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/01/27-tsdtf-minutes.html trackbot

14:29:58 [trackbot]

RRSAgent, bye

14:30:04 [Zakim]

-Shadi

14:30:05 [Zakim]

WAI_TSDTF()8:30AM has ended

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Attendees were Carlos_Iglesias, Shadi, Christophe_Strobbe, Cooper, cvelasco, +1.301.987.aaaa, Tim

14:41:49 [shadi]

rrsagent, make logs world

14:41:55 [shadi]

rrsagent, make minutes

14:41:55 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/01/27-tsdtf-minutes.html shadi

14:41:56 [shadi]

rrsagent, make logs world

14:42:00 [shadi]

rrsagent, bye

14:42:00 [RRSAgent]

I see 4 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/27-tsdtf-actions.rdf :

14:42:00 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Shadi to add issue on AJAX scripting on the search interface into tracker [1]

14:42:00 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/27-tsdtf-irc#T13-56-29

14:42:00 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: shadi to ask shawn if we can bring these mockups into EOWG for additional feedback (from an educational perspective) [2]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/27-tsdtf-irc#T13-58-36

14:42:00 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: christophe to update the sample files for test #26 [3]

14:42:00 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/27-tsdtf-irc#T14-06-25

14:42:00 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: christophe to change names of the dummy pages for #36 and #41, to follow the naming convention [4]

14:42:00 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/27-tsdtf-irc#T14-12-13