IRC log of soap-jms on 2009-01-27
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- Zakim, this will be SJMS
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- ok, trackbot; I see WS_SOAP-JM()12:00PM scheduled to start in 6 minutes
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- Meeting: SOAP-JMS Binding Working Group Teleconference
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- Date: 27 January 2009
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- Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-soap-jms/2009Jan/0029.html
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- Chair: Roland
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- scribe: eric
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- topic: actions
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- Eric has made no progress on action #32.
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- derek has made progress on action #53.
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- need to update the official test suite page.
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- derek: who do I talk to post the updates?
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- phil: just email the changes to me....
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- derek: all in a word document...
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- phil: send me the XML snippets, and he can merge them.
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- close action 55
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- close action-55
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- ACTION-55 Look at the relevant specifications e.g. SOAP with Attachments to assess whether SOAP/JMS binding spec. needs the assertions regarding content type closed
- 17:10:50 [eric]
- peter: several emails exchanged with Jacques Talbot... he seems to want more content.
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- roland: do we have another question to complement the one that Bhakti had.
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- peter: Don't think there was specifically another question to answer.
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- JMS has features that HTTP doesn't have, so that reduces the need for *some* features of WS-Addressing.
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- Roland: How about just posting to the wiki.
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- FAQ: http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/soapjms/wiki/2008-09_FAQ
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- peter: will put it in the appropriate medium.
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- roland: I believe Derek completed action 57.
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- close action-57
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- ACTION-57 Raise spec question independently after call closed
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- topic: uri spec
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- roland: has anything moved here?
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- eric: no
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- topic: last call comments
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- http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/soapjms/wiki/2009-01_LC_Comments
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- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-soap-jms/2009Jan/0024.html
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- Roland: suggested change for LC-02
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- ... (see email link)
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- roland: I think we talked about this a long time ago, but never made it explicit.
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- Mark: Where we've got code, we've made it 1.1...
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- Roland: anyone unhappy with making JMS requirement of 1.1.
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- ...
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- action: roland to respond to Yong-Ping
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- Created ACTION-58 - Respond to Yong-Ping [on Roland Merrick - due 2009-02-03].
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- Derek: Are we saying that it only works on JMS 1.1, or that 1.0.1 could be supported, but is not required.
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- s/Derek/Phil/g :)
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- (DRAT!)
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- (sorry)
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- Phil: are we really saying that vendor can assume 1.1?
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- eric: before W3C, we were only interested in JMS 1.1.
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- phil: suppose vendor implementation doesn't use generic APIs from JMS 1.1, doesn't that mean that it is supporting 1.0.1?
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- Phil: withdrawing comment.
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- roland: 1.1 is the conformance requirement - agreement?
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- Phil: when we're saying this is a conformance requirement, are we making it easier on the vendor by saying only version 1.1 of API?
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- mphillip: A compliant implementation could use the old APIs or the new APIs.
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- Roland: Why have any conformance - if we say it is 1.1, then they don't have to worry about earlier versions.
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- Phil: Can vendors assume JMS 1.1?
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- eric: A conforming implementation must work with JMS 1.1.
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- eric: Even if JMS 1.2 came out, I wouldn't care, unless any given JMS 1.2 implementation was also fully conformant with JMS 1.1
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- roland: all happy?
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- Phil: which one was that again?
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- Roland: LC-02
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- roland: next comment to address LC-04
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- eric: which item is this?
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- roland: **Comment3 from email (http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-soap-jms/2009Jan/0008.html)
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- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-soap-jms/2009Jan/0025.html
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- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-soap-jms/2009Jan/0027.html
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- Roland: Suspect that part of the confusion comes from this in the email "That is, the JNDI way is the default/mandatory mechanism required by JMS spec"
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- roland: not sure that we say that JNDI is supported
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- eric: I think URI spec says that JNDI is required.
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- Phil: we have to have at least one way.
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- ... otherwise we don't have interoperability.
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- eric: The URI spec is open ended on resolving destinations, but the SOAP/JMS binding specification doesn't talk about any non-JNDI elements in the WSDL.
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- Roland: I think it is worth stating that supporting the JNDI lookup is required.
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- eric: Anyone disagree with "a conforming implementation MUST support JNDI destination lookup." ?
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- mphillip: I don't see a problem with that, but is there a problem if we don't say it.
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- alewis: Don't we require conformance to the URI spec?
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- Roland: I don't see any place in the URI spec where we require it?
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- alewis: We probably should say it there.
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- mphillip: If JNDI falls out of favor - then we wouldn't want the legacy burden.
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- alewis: We make reference to the JMS specification, so perhaps it is redundant? If JMS dropped it, then we could drop it.
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- Roland: Where do we require it? Leave it as it is in the URI spec, but in the binding spec, be more specific.
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- mphillip: agree
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- eric: Are we back to my proposal for that the binding spec should say "a conforming...".
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- Roland: yes.
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- peaston: Looking for "magic bullet", but JMS spec seems to be wishy-washy.
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- Derek: I'm fine with it.
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- peaston: I'm happy with it.
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- Roland: Sounds like we have consensus that JNDI lookup is a conformance requirement of the binding spec.
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- ... doesn't quite answer the question raised in the last call comment.
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- "destinationName" doesn't show up as a string anywhere, so it is just a label for a property. JNDI is the required conformance minimum.
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- action: Roland to send email about LC-04 based on minutes from conf. call of Jan-27
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- Created ACTION-59 - Send email about LC-04 based on minutes from conf. call of Jan-27 [on Roland Merrick - due 2009-02-03].
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- Roland: moving on to discuss LC-03
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- peaston: question is out of order.
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- Roland: Yes - you are required to specify an variant.
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- Phil: Doesn't this go in the URI spec?
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- Roland: This is in the URI spec.
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- eric: You must specify one - it could be one letter long, but it is part of the syntax.
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- action: Roland to respond with email saying that there is no fault.
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- Created ACTION-60 - Respond with email saying that there is no fault. [on Roland Merrick - due 2009-02-03].
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- Derek: No change to the binding spec, right?
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- Roland: now discussing LC-05
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- peaston: My opinion is that we have it right.
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- Phil: as long as we're consistent in the use of the constants or the true values, we're all right - we should probably use the constants.
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- eric: do we need an action item for someone to go through and fix up the spec for consistency?
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- peaston: I think we have it right. We should use the values.
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- Phil: I see an inconsistency. In 2.2.1, we refer to both constant and value. Suggestion - look at the JNDI spec, and use the same approach - whether it is constant name or constant value.
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- action: phil to come up with a proposal to make sure we're consistent.
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- Created ACTION-61 - Come up with a proposal to make sure we're consistent. [on Phil Adams - due 2009-02-03].
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/01/27-soap-jms-minutes.html Roland
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/01/27-soap-jms-minutes.html Roland
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- Attendees were Roland, Derek, eric, +1.617.519.aaaa, Phil, mphillip, Yves, alewis
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/01/27-soap-jms-minutes.html Roland
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- Zakim, aaaa is peaston
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- sorry, Roland, I do not recognize a party named 'aaaa'
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