IRC log of mediaann on 2009-01-27
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- RRSAgent, make logs public
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- Zakim, this will be MAWG
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- ok, trackbot, I see IA_MAWG()8:00AM already started
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- Meeting: Media Annotations Working Group Teleconference
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- Date: 27 January 2009
- 13:01:19 [raphael]
- zakim, who is here?
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- On the phone I see pchampin, Thierry, ??P2, wbailer, raphael
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- On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, pchampin, Victor, joakim, wbailer, raphael, tmichel, wonsuk, trackbot
- 13:01:26 [raphael]
- zakim, mute Thierry
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- Thierry should now be muted
- 13:01:27 [tmichel]
- Zakim, who is here?
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- On the phone I see pchampin, Thierry (muted), ??P2, wbailer, raphael
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- On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, pchampin, Victor, joakim, wbailer, raphael, tmichel, wonsuk, trackbot
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- +joakim
- 13:01:45 [raphael]
- Thierry, I muted you, you made a lot of noise :-(
- 13:01:51 [tmichel]
- I get a terrible BUZZZZZZ
- 13:02:07 [raphael]
- thierry, are you skyping?
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- zakim, mute me
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- raphael should now be muted
- 13:02:45 [tmichel]
- No I am using a phone over IP, but I can't hear a thing
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- zakim, mute me
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- sorry, tmichel, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
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- I will redial in
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- -Thierry
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- zakim, mute pchampin
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- pchampin should now be muted
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- +Thierry
- 13:04:24 [tmichel]
- It is much better now
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- +veronique
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- Zakim, who is here?
- 13:05:25 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see pchampin (muted), ??P2, wbailer, raphael, joakim, Thierry, veronique
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- On IRC I see VeroniqueM, RRSAgent, Zakim, pchampin, Victor, joakim, wbailer, raphael, tmichel, wonsuk, trackbot
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- +??P9
- 13:06:37 [tmichel]
- We have regrets from Felix,
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- Michele Minno ,Jean-Pierre
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- Looking for a vulunteer to scribe ...
- 13:07:14 [raphael]
- Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Jan/0065.html
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- Scribe:joakim
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- co-chair Daniel will be back soon
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- Regrets: Frank, Felix, Michel Jean Pierre
- 13:09:18 [tmichel]
- There was a meeting ?
- 13:09:22 [joakim]
- Last week telecom meetings are not on the web
- 13:09:36 [raphael]
- There was a meeting, and the minutes are at http://www.w3.org/2009/01/20-mediaann-minutes.html
- 13:11:22 [tmichel]
- The scribe should send the minutes with the URI
- 13:12:52 [raphael]
- The Media Fragments WG keep the minutes in the same web space, but remove the 'draft' when the minutes have been fixed and approved
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- topic: Actions points
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- The Scribe should mail the edited minutes to the public mail list
- 13:15:42 [joakim]
- Should we include Vicots contribution "Multimedia Presentation material" to the uc document?
- 13:16:09 [VeroniqueM]
- s/Vicots/Victor's
- 13:16:11 [raphael]
- Is it http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Jan/0049.html ?
- 13:16:11 [Victor]
- Action 55 was attended here:
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- Sorry, couldn't find user - 55
- 13:16:15 [Victor]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Jan/att-0049/00-part
- 13:17:22 [pchampin]
- Zakim, mute tmichel
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- sorry, pchampin, I do not know which phone connection belongs to tmichel
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- zakim, mute ??P9
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- ??P9 should now be muted
- 13:19:19 [Victor]
- We got no comments on the email
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- who has read the document, and has an opinion?
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- Werner: it's important, but maybe it should hold cross all use cases?
- 13:20:19 [Victor]
- Does any other Use Case support Requirement 7?
- 13:20:43 [pchampin]
- zakim, who is here?
- 13:20:43 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see pchampin (muted), ??P2, wbailer, raphael, joakim, Thierry, veronique, ??P9 (muted)
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- On IRC I see VeroniqueM, RRSAgent, Zakim, pchampin, Victor, joakim, wbailer, raphael, tmichel, wonsuk, trackbot
- 13:20:53 [VeroniqueM]
- I think that it is a very interesting topic but i think that it is mostly related to the ongoing question of considering complex/simple models, maybe the latter question should be answered first?
- 13:21:01 [pchampin]
- zakim, unmute me
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- pchampin should no longer be muted
- 13:21:24 [joakim]
- Victor: Is it possible to change an existing use case and include no / into that one?
- 13:22:07 [pchampin]
- +1
- 13:22:51 [joakim]
- Veronique: The UC7 could be incorporated into cultural heritage UC!
- 13:23:04 [joakim]
- +1
- 13:23:04 [wbailer]
- agree to including it in CH use case, maybe also in MM adaptation (if we make a use case out of that)
- 13:23:57 [joakim]
- Veronique: This is related to the question of the complexity of the model
- 13:24:59 [raphael]
- I also think this text should go in the CH use case
- 13:25:34 [joakim]
- Victor: Add a sentence to the CH description
- 13:25:44 [Victor]
- By changing the last paragraph....
- 13:26:42 [joakim]
- Action 55 is now about reformulating th CH description
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- Sorry, couldn't find user - 55
- 13:27:46 [joakim]
- regret+ tobias
- 13:29:07 [raphael]
- good job Werner, Frank :-)
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- Werner: many mpeg-7 properties could be mapped to XMP, but some are not covered in XMP
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- We discuss later how to alter the mapping agenda
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- close 74
- 13:31:00 [raphael]
- close ACTION-74
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- ACTION-74 Review SMPTE closed
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- close ACTION-73
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- ACTION-73 review with werner MPEG-7 closed
- 13:32:09 [tobias]
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- 13:33:42 [pchampin]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-media-annotation/2009Jan/0061.html
- 13:33:49 [tobias]
- done already
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- has been done already the last time
- 13:34:17 [joakim]
- Pierre Antoine: The DC/DCTerm disucssuion is open on the mailinglist
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- PA: Don't agree that the main question is about the API
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- can you speak louder?
- 13:35:46 [joakim]
- better
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- PA: We should also define the low level meaning of the propoerties, not only the high level semantics
- 13:37:21 [joakim]
- cant hear
- 13:37:59 [joakim]
- How can we define the low level mapping?
- 13:38:35 [raphael]
- I do see some problems to have discrepancies between having on one hand a lightweight semantics for the creator property (accept string value) in the API and on the other hand another semantics for the same property (URI value) in the ontology
- 13:39:49 [joakim]
- we could define the target of the properties precisely
- 13:40:32 [tmichel]
- how could that be done ?
- 13:40:53 [joakim]
- PA: we should have an Ontology that define this
- 13:41:00 [Zakim]
- +??P18
- 13:41:12 [joakim]
- Can raphael explain his point?
- 13:41:30 [tobias]
- Zakim ??P18 is me
- 13:42:02 [joakim]
- Raphael: Should it be two different return values
- 13:42:04 [tobias]
- Zakim, ??P18 is me
- 13:42:04 [Zakim]
- +tobias; got it
- 13:42:49 [wonsuk]
- Zakim, ??P9 is me
- 13:42:49 [Zakim]
- +wonsuk; got it
- 13:42:57 [joakim]
- PA: If we map according to the mapping table, it would return very hetrogenus values
- 13:44:23 [joakim]
- PA: Prefer to be more formal in the Ontology
- 13:45:31 [pchampin]
- but I agree that we could also be formal only at the API level
- 13:46:54 [joakim]
- joakim: we could be practical doing toy applications and decide after how to cope with the proble,
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- PA: agrees that we should be practical as sson as possible
- 13:48:02 [joakim]
- Veronique: based on what?
- 13:48:09 [wonsuk]
- s/sson/soon
- 13:49:23 [joakim]
- PA. we should aim at making an intermediate implmentation
- 13:49:38 [pchampin]
- s/implmentation/representation
- 13:50:43 [joakim]
- PA: We should have a more precise idea of the global structure of the ontology
- 13:51:03 [pchampin]
- s/ontology/API
- 13:51:21 [joakim]
- We should have a common view of the complexity level before implmenting
- 13:51:55 [VeroniqueM]
- we can also have different levels of complexity of the representations, domain dependant?
- 13:52:16 [joakim]
- Does any one have a suggestino on how to move on?
- 13:52:25 [VeroniqueM]
- DC and VRA and XMP exist in RDF, then we can use rdf-ways of representing mappings
- 13:52:45 [joakim]
- s/suggestino/suggestion
- 13:54:47 [joakim]
- Veronique: We can use the level of mapping/link representation found in existing implmentations
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- PA: the level is different in different implementations
- 13:55:33 [joakim]
- PA: Maybe to propose some example code foer each case
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- s/foer/for
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- +1
- 13:56:59 [joakim]
- PA: divide the problem per use case
- 13:57:37 [joakim]
- pA: it should work whatever the format
- 13:57:42 [raphael]
- Raphael: does it mean then that implementation = 1/ (python/java/pick_yours) code expressing mappings between some properties ; 2/ (owl/skos) code expressing mappings between some properties, etc. ?
- 13:58:40 [joakim]
- PA: the code doesnt have to represent the mapping
- 13:58:48 [joakim]
- PA: the mapping should be hidden
- 13:59:20 [joakim]
- Either a mapping relationship or an ontology
- 13:59:34 [Victor]
- but the mapping itself has to be represented
- 13:59:40 [raphael]
- or ... being not exclusive, it could be both :-)
- 14:00:14 [joakim]
- the mapping should be hidden to the developer
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- agree
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- PA: Was thinking about writing code showing how to use our API
- 14:01:45 [joakim]
- PA: Write code that illustrates how to use our API
- 14:03:11 [tobias]
- q+ regarding Felix's intention
- 14:04:41 [joakim]
- can PA start to draft a use case?
- 14:04:48 [pchampin]
- ok
- 14:05:13 [joakim]
- we did not have time to finish the agenda
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- our first public document was published last monday
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- we have telecon next week same time
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- Victor: Will attend the MPEG meeting next week
- 14:06:29 [raphael]
- q+ regarding when is the due date for commenting the FPWD?
- 14:06:53 [joakim]
- respond to Victors PPT before the end of the week
- 14:07:10 [tobias]
- q+ regarding action-66
- 14:08:30 [joakim]
- we should start to collect updates for the UC doc
- 14:08:37 [Victor]
- ok
- 14:08:49 [raphael]
- q?
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- -veronique
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- -wbailer
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- -raphael
- 14:09:17 [Victor]
- goodbye!
- 14:09:17 [tobias]
- Tobias: regarding action-66: sent it to the list already on the 19th
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- -wonsuk
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- rrsagent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/01/27-mediaann-minutes.html joakim
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- -tobias
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- -Thierry
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- -pchampin
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- -joakim
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- -??P2
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- IA_MAWG()8:00AM has ended
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- Attendees were pchampin, Thierry, wbailer, raphael, joakim, veronique, tobias, wonsuk
- 14:14:14 [Victor]
- ciao!
- 14:14:18 [pchampin]
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- 14:14:25 [Victor]
- i was also attendee!
- 14:14:26 [joakim]
- @+
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- present +victor
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- present+ thierry, werner, rapahel, joakim, veronique, tobias, wonsuk
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- rrsagent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/01/27-mediaann-minutes.html joakim
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