IRC log of au on 2009-01-26

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20:49:11 [JR]

Zakim, this will be AUWG

20:49:11 [Zakim]

ok, JR; I see WAI_AUWG()3:00PM scheduled to start 49 minutes ago

20:49:17 [JR]

Meeting: WAI AU

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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2009JanMar/0026.html

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Chair: Jutta Treviranus

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20:59:24 [jeanne]

zakim, code?

20:59:24 [Zakim]

the conference code is 2894 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), jeanne

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WAI_AUWG()3:00PM has now started

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+jeanne

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+[IPcaller]

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+??P10

21:01:20 [JR]

zakim, [IPcaller] is really JR

21:01:20 [Zakim]

+JR; got it

21:01:41 [jeanne]

zakim, P10 is andrewr

21:01:41 [Zakim]

sorry, jeanne, I do not recognize a party named 'P10'

21:02:01 [jeanne]

zakim, ??P10 is really andrewr

21:02:01 [Zakim]

+andrewr; got it

21:02:05 [JR]

zakim, who's making noise?

21:02:15 [Zakim]

JR, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: JR (43%), andrewr (15%)

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+??P15

21:03:23 [JR]

zakim, ??P15 is really JuttaT

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+JuttaT; got it

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+Tim_Boland

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+Sueann

21:06:57 [JR]

Topic: Process survey results:

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Scribe: AndrewR

21:07:54 [AndrewR]

Topic: 1. Proposal for Glossary Appendix Introduction (from Tim Boland)

21:08:06 [AndrewR]

JR - proposed change was to make it slightly shorter

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JS would also like to shorten it

21:08:42 [AndrewR]

JR - didn't think it was necessary to tell people to go elsewhere to find certain information

21:09:44 [AndrewR]

JR - proposed shortening: This appendix contains definitions for all of the important and/or unfamiliar terms used in the normative parts of this specification, including terms used in the (link to conformance) section. All of these terms are linked at least from their first usage in the specification. Where appropriate definitions for these terms could be found in other W3C Recommendations,...

21:09:46 [AndrewR]

...the source is designated by "[ ]". In some cases, editorial adaptation was required to make the definitions suitable for the ATAG 2.0.

21:09:47 [Zakim]

+Greg_Pisocky

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21:10:13 [AndrewR]

General concensus of the group is the shortening is acceptable

21:11:18 [AndrewR]

Topic: Glossary Proposal - changing the source quotation

21:11:34 [JR]

Action: JS insert JR's text for Proposal for Glossary Appendix Introduction (#1 in http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35520/20090114/results)

21:11:34 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-81 - Insert JR's text for Proposal for Glossary Appendix Introduction (#1 in http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35520/20090114/results) [on Jeanne Spellman - due 2009-02-02].

21:11:42 [JR]

Topic: Abbreviation

21:11:55 [AndrewR]

JT: unanimous acceptance of this

21:12:01 [JR]

Action: JS insert JR's text for abbreviation (#2)

21:12:01 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-82 - Insert JR's text for abbreviation (#2) [on Jeanne Spellman - due 2009-02-02].

21:12:21 [AndrewR]

Topic: Glossary Proposal - authoring tool user interface (non-Web-based)

21:13:38 [AndrewR]

JT: the reason we have the distinction is because when something is web based we can use WCAG

21:14:17 [AndrewR]

GP: is there a difference is how we treat web based vs non web based?

21:14:30 [AndrewR]

JT: yes. Web based would have WCAG applied to it

21:15:03 [AndrewR]

JR: primary objection is the non-web-based is quite an awkward term

21:15:22 [AndrewR]

GP: people will probably call it non-browser based

21:15:38 [JR]

authoring tool user interface (Web-based)

21:15:40 [JR]

Any parts of an authoring tool user interface that are implemented using Web content technologies and are accessed by authors via a user agent..

21:16:47 [JR]

Action JS: Insert "authoring tool user interface (non-Web-based) Any parts of an authoring tool user interface that are not implemented as Web content and instead run directly on a platform that is not a user agent, such as Windows, MacOS, Java Virtual Machine, etc.

21:16:47 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-83 - Insert \"authoring tool user interface (non-Web-based) Any parts of an authoring tool user interface that are not implemented as Web content and instead run directly on a platform that is not a user agent, such as Windows, MacOS, Java Virtual Machine, etc. [on Jeanne Spellman - due 2009-02-02].

21:16:58 [AndrewR]

Topic: Glossary Proposal - authoring tool

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TB: is the first use of the term authoring tool linked to the glossary?

21:18:15 [AndrewR]

TB: the definition of authoring tool has implications for the applicability / scope of the document so it's an important subject

21:19:17 [AndrewR]

TB: all the significant definition should be consolidated in the glossary

21:19:30 [AndrewR]

JR: trying to avoid duplicating the language

21:19:37 [AndrewR]

JR: trying to define it in one place

21:19:50 [AndrewR]

JR: seems to be some confusion as to where that place should be

21:21:39 [JR]

JT: Idea change "Definition of authoring tool" to "Scope and Applicability"

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JR: +1

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TB: Reading from QA best practices....

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JT: Authoring tool defintion stays in glossary

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JR: Where should notes go

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Action JR: Put defintion of Authoring Tool back in Glossary, make a Scope and Applicability section out of list of tools and the 2 notes

21:24:21 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-84 - Put defintion of Authoring Tool back in Glossary, make a Scope and Applicability section out of list of tools and the 2 notes [on Jan Richards - due 2009-02-02].

21:24:43 [JR]

Topic: author permission

21:25:55 [AndrewR]

JT: the only difference is "has the right" compared to "has a right"

21:27:27 [AndrewR]

Topic: Glossary Proposal - authors

21:27:29 [JR]

Action JS: Use new wording of "authoring permission"

21:27:29 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-85 - Use new wording of \"authoring permission\" [on Jeanne Spellman - due 2009-02-02].

21:27:42 [JR]

Topic: authors

21:29:40 [AndrewR]

JT: proposal unanimously accepted. Slight editorial change required.

21:30:47 [AndrewR]

JR: we're making a distinction by content that's only going to be seen by the author vs content that will be seen by others

21:31:36 [AndrewR]

TB: has reservations about our definition of author. It may cause us problems down the line.

21:33:00 [AndrewR]

JR: would you like us to drop it entirely?

21:33:06 [AndrewR]

TB: what would be lost if we did?

21:33:15 [JR]

ATAG 2.0 defines an "authoring tool" as any software, or collection of software components, that authors can use to create or modify Web content for use by other people.

21:33:23 [JR]

ATAG 2.0 defines an "authoring tool" as any software, or collection of software components, that authors can use to create or modify Web content.

21:35:35 [JR]

Action JR: Put "by other people" on agenda for next meeting

21:35:35 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-86 - Put \"by other people\" on agenda for next meeting [on Jan Richards - due 2009-02-02].

21:35:56 [Zakim]

-Tim_Boland

21:36:01 [JR]

Topic: checking (accessibility)

21:36:39 [AndrewR]

JR: [] means where we have "adapted" from somewhere else

21:37:09 [AndrewR]

Topic: Glossary Proposal - content being edited

21:37:11 [JR]

Action JS: Insert: [harmonized with EARL 1.0]

21:37:11 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-87 - Insert: [harmonized with EARL 1.0] [on Jeanne Spellman - due 2009-02-02].

21:37:35 [JR]

Topic: content being edited

21:42:30 [JR]

JT: Should we drop term "Content being edited"

21:42:34 [JR]

JR: +1

21:42:44 [AndrewR]

AR: +1

21:42:50 [JR]

Action JS: Remove definition of term "Content being edited"

21:42:50 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-88 - Remove definition of term \"Content being edited\" [on Jeanne Spellman - due 2009-02-02].

21:43:04 [AndrewR]

Topic: Glossary Proposal - content generation

21:44:29 [JR]

Action JS: Change "broad categories" to "types"

21:44:29 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-89 - Change \"broad categories\" to \"types\" [on Jeanne Spellman - due 2009-02-02].

21:44:49 [AndrewR]

Topic: Glossary Proposal - content

21:45:11 [AndrewR]

JT: is the term we're defining "content (web)"

21:45:29 [AndrewR]

JR: WCAG say "content (web content)"

21:50:28 [AndrewR]

JR: would we consider WCAG 1.0 a good enough standard to be ATAG compliant against?

21:51:59 [JR]

Action JS: Use new defn of "content (Web)", not adding 2.0 to end of WCAG.

21:51:59 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-90 - Use new defn of \"content (Web)\", not adding 2.0 to end of WCAG. [on Jeanne Spellman - due 2009-02-02].

21:52:24 [AndrewR]

i had an official response from Shadi r.e. WCAG 1 / 2 which i posted on our blog - http://www.rnib.org.uk/wacblog/news/wcag-20-moves-to-proposed-recommendation/

21:52:41 [JR]

Topic: content rendering

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Action JS: Make change to "content rendering"

21:54:45 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-91 - Make change to \"content rendering\" [on Jeanne Spellman - due 2009-02-02].

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Topic: conversion

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Action JS: Make change to "conversion"

21:55:50 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-92 - Make change to \"conversion\" [on Jeanne Spellman - due 2009-02-02].

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Topic: authoring practice

21:58:27 [JR]

Action JS: Make change to "authoring practice" incl bolding

21:58:28 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-93 - Make change to \"authoring practice\" incl bolding [on Jeanne Spellman - due 2009-02-02].

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-JuttaT

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-jeanne

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-Sueann

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-JR

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-andrewr

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-Greg_Pisocky

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WAI_AUWG()3:00PM has ended

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Attendees were jeanne, JR, andrewr, JuttaT, Tim_Boland, Sueann, Greg_Pisocky

22:00:53 [JR]

RRSAgent, make minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/01/26-au-minutes.html JR

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RRSAgent, set logs public

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Zakim, bye

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RRSAgent, bye

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I see 13 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/26-au-actions.rdf :

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ACTION: JS insert JR's text for Proposal for Glossary Appendix Introduction (#1 in http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35520/20090114/results) [1]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/26-au-irc#T21-11-34

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ACTION: JS insert JR's text for abbreviation (#2) [2]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/26-au-irc#T21-12-01

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ACTION: JS to Insert "authoring tool user interface (non-Web-based) Any parts of an authoring tool user interface that are not implemented as Web content and instead run directly on a platform that is not a user agent, such as Windows, MacOS, Java Virtual Machine, etc. [3]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/26-au-irc#T21-16-47

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ACTION: JR to Put defintion of Authoring Tool back in Glossary, make a Scope and Applicability section out of list of tools and the 2 notes [4]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/26-au-irc#T21-24-21

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ACTION: JS to Use new wording of "authoring permission" [5]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/26-au-irc#T21-27-29

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ACTION: JR to Put "by other people" on agenda for next meeting [6]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/26-au-irc#T21-35-35

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ACTION: JS to Insert: [harmonized with EARL 1.0] [7]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/26-au-irc#T21-37-11

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ACTION: JS to Remove definition of term "Content being edited" [8]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/26-au-irc#T21-42-50

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ACTION: JS to Change "broad categories" to "types" [9]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/26-au-irc#T21-44-29

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ACTION: JS to Use new defn of "content (Web)", not adding 2.0 to end of WCAG. [10]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/26-au-irc#T21-51-59

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ACTION: JS to Make change to "content rendering" [11]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/26-au-irc#T21-54-45

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ACTION: JS to Make change to "conversion" [12]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/26-au-irc#T21-55-50

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ACTION: JS to Make change to "authoring practice" incl bolding [13]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2009/01/26-au-irc#T21-58-27