IRC log of sml on 2009-01-22
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2009/01/22-sml-irc
- 18:56:51 [Zakim]
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- 18:57:06 [lencharest]
- zakim, this will be XML_SMLWG
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- ok, lencharest; I see XML_SMLWG()2:00PM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
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- XML_SMLWG()2:00PM has now started
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- +[Microsoft]
- 19:00:24 [lencharest]
- zakim, [Microsoft] is lencharest
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- +lencharest; got it
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- +johnarwe_
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- Scribe: Len Charest
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- ScribeNick: lencharest
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- Meeting: SML WG Teleconference
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- Chair: John Arwe
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- +Sandy
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- +Ginny_Smith
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- rrsagent, make log public
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- +[Microsoft]
- 19:06:32 [Kumar]
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- 19:07:38 [MSM]
- zakim, please call MSM-617
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- ok, MSM; the call is being made
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- +MSM
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- -MSM
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- zakim, please call MSM-617
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- ok, MSM; the call is being made
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- +MSM
- 19:08:55 [johnarwe_]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sml/2009Jan/att-0025/20090115-sml-minutes.html
- 19:08:58 [lencharest]
- Topic: Approval of minutes from 2009-01-15
- 19:09:41 [lencharest]
- RESOLUTION: Minutes approved
- 19:09:49 [MSM]
- MSM has changed the topic to: SML WG call, agenda http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sml/2009Jan/0045.html
- 19:10:26 [lencharest]
- Topic: Action 215
- 19:12:41 [lencharest]
- No progress, but updates to speadsheet have been made by others
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- John: Will close action 215
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- Topic: Action 210
- 19:13:46 [lencharest]
- MSM: Have draft wording for old namespace doc
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- s/doc/docs
- 19:14:38 [MSM]
- http://www.w3.org/2008/09/sml
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- http://www.w3.org/2008/09/sml-if
- 19:15:24 [lencharest]
- MSM: Above URIs show current wording
- 19:18:42 [ginny]
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- 19:20:47 [lencharest]
- Len: Change all occurences of 'namespaces' to 'namespace'
- 19:21:05 [lencharest]
- Otherwise, Group approves draft language
- 19:23:53 [lencharest]
- Topic: Where should schema docs live?
- 19:24:17 [lencharest]
- MSM: Webmaster put them under ns/ directory, along with namespace docs
- 19:25:49 [lencharest]
- MSM: But I see no other schema docs in the ns/ directory
- 19:29:31 [lencharest]
- MSM: Propose that we adopt policy of publishing "dated" schema URIs akin to the dated URIs for TRs
- 19:29:59 [lencharest]
- RESOLUTION: Dated schema URIs will be implemented
- 19:30:22 [lencharest]
- Topic: WG teleconference time going forward
- 19:31:11 [lencharest]
- John: Propose 12:30pm-1:30pm Eastern on Mondays starting with first meeting in Feb
- 19:32:33 [lencharest]
- RESOLUTION: WG teleconference will take place from 12:30pm-1:30pm Eastern on Mondays starting with first meeting in Feb
- 19:34:28 [lencharest]
- Topic: Bug 6443 - German message text
- 19:35:32 [lencharest]
- RESOLUTION: Text will be changed per description in bug text
- 19:35:42 [lencharest]
- John: Bug updated as editorial
- 19:36:41 [lencharest]
- Topic: Bug 6245 - SML locid example request from ITS Interest Group
- 19:36:54 [lencharest]
- http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=6245
- 19:38:06 [lencharest]
- Topic: Implementation report
- 19:38:57 [johnarwe_]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sml/2009Jan/0041.html
- 19:39:01 [lencharest]
- Current rev of spreadsheet in CVS is 1.6
- 19:42:44 [lencharest]
- Ginny: derefNV is about testing smlfn:deref outside a validator; will we have an implementation
- 19:43:50 [lencharest]
- John: Depends on how we define the test
- 19:47:50 [lencharest]
- John: One option is to say derefNV is not relevant for interop
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- s/interop/demonstration of implementation experience
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- Option two: change the definition of derefNV so that we don't need to test outside the context of a validator
- 19:52:18 [lencharest]
- Ginny: Focus of tests is on SML validators
- 19:52:39 [lencharest]
- John: Conclusion seems to be that derefNV is not relevant for SML interop
- 19:54:00 [lencharest]
- Kumar: SML spec section 4.2.7 has note adressing smlfn:deref and interop
- 19:54:54 [lencharest]
- MSM: There is value in separation of defn of smlfn:deref from SML validation; smlfn:deref is useful outside of validation
- 19:55:08 [lencharest]
- MSM: reluctant to lose the derefNV feature
- 19:55:50 [lencharest]
- Ginny: Would COSMOS serve as an implementation of derefNV because of how smlfn:deref is implemented?
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- -Sandy
- 20:00:02 [lencharest]
- John: Yes
- 20:11:42 [lencharest]
- John: We have consensus to update the spreadsheet as described by http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sml/2009Jan/0022.html
- 20:13:15 [lencharest]
- Kumar will make change #1 -- adding a second expected results column to differentiate between implementations supporting the
- 20:13:15 [lencharest]
- feature and one for those not supporting it
- 20:13:57 [johnarwe_]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sml/2009Jan/0047.html
- 20:19:19 [lencharest]
- John: Text re row 19 actually applies to row 16
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- Kumar: MS impl matches expected result for row 16
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- John: Re row 29 -- Multiple sml:uris means not a valid SML ref; should we remove the test case?
- 20:21:44 [lencharest]
- Kumar: suggest updating expected result instead
- 20:22:24 [lencharest]
- Ginny: If test is discarded, then create a test that specifically addresses non-root elements
- 20:22:36 [johnarwe_]
- http://dev.eclipse.org/viewcvs/index.cgi/org.eclipse.cosmos/tests/resource-modeling/org.eclipse.cosmos.rm.validation.tests/src/test-resources/deref/MultipleNonRoot.xml?root=Technology_Project&view=markup
- 20:26:42 [johnarwe_]
- <sml:uri>Courses#smlxpath1(/u:Courses/u:Course[2])</sml:uri>
- 20:30:40 [lencharest]
- John: There are many other tests that target non-root; shall we remove row 29?
- 20:30:48 [lencharest]
- MSM: Let's just mark it invalid
- 20:31:26 [lencharest]
- John: In the past, we've removed invalid tests
- 20:34:28 [lencharest]
- John: For consistency, let's remove the test in row 29 (but preserve the row so that row numbers remain the same)
- 20:35:42 [lencharest]
- John: Re row 76 --- need MS results
- 20:36:21 [lencharest]
- Kumar: MS results are 76 is false, 77 is true
- 20:39:36 [lencharest]
- John: Re 96-99 --- we should add remarks to suggest cosmos alter the tests so a non-supporting impl would find the model invalid
- 20:42:54 [lencharest]
- John: How shall we define test pass? Percentage of tests where actual result equals expected result?
- 20:44:55 [lencharest]
- MSM: W3C has no rule on this
- 20:45:43 [lencharest]
- Topic: Transition to PR
- 20:46:01 [lencharest]
- MSM: We need a "clean" copy of the spec that is ready to publish at any time
- 20:46:48 [lencharest]
- MSM: We need an estimate from the editors on when we will have a ready-to-publish draft
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- John: Shall we request transition to PR?
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- John: Sanday has already said "yes"
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- s/Sanday/Sandy
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- John: We have consensus
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- RESOLUTION: WG will request transition to PR status for SML and SML-IF specs
- 20:50:41 [lencharest]
- Ginny: Outsantding editorial changes will be made within a week
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- s/Outsantding/Outstanding
- 20:54:21 [johnarwe_]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sml/2009Jan/0022.html
- 20:54:33 [johnarwe_]
- under "changes still needed"
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- all have 2x - (--) in front
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- -MSM
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- -[Microsoft]
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- -lencharest
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- -Ginny_Smith
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- -johnarwe_
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- XML_SMLWG()2:00PM has ended
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- Attendees were lencharest, johnarwe_, Sandy, Ginny_Smith, [Microsoft], MSM
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- rrsagent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/01/22-sml-minutes.html lencharest
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