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18:57:06 <lencharest> zakim, this will be XML_SMLWG
18:57:06 <Zakim> ok, lencharest; I see XML_SMLWG()2:00PM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
19:00:01 <Zakim> XML_SMLWG()2:00PM has now started
19:00:11 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
19:00:24 <lencharest> zakim, [Microsoft] is lencharest
19:00:24 <Zakim> +lencharest; got it
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19:02:07 <lencharest> Scribe: Len Charest
19:02:13 <lencharest> ScribeNick: lencharest
19:02:31 <lencharest> Meeting: SML WG Teleconference
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19:02:51 <lencharest> Chair: John Arwe
19:03:42 <Zakim> +Sandy
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19:05:43 <lencharest> rrsagent, make log public
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19:07:38 <MSM> zakim, please call MSM-617
19:07:38 <Zakim> ok, MSM; the call is being made
19:07:40 <Zakim> +MSM
19:08:20 <Zakim> -MSM
19:08:28 <MSM> zakim, please call MSM-617
19:08:28 <Zakim> ok, MSM; the call is being made
19:08:30 <Zakim> +MSM
19:08:55 <johnarwe_> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sml/2009Jan/att-0025/20090115-sml-minutes.html
19:08:58 <lencharest> Topic: Approval of minutes from 2009-01-15
19:09:41 <lencharest> RESOLUTION: Minutes approved
19:09:49 <MSM> MSM has changed the topic to: SML WG call, agenda http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sml/2009Jan/0045.html
19:10:26 <lencharest> Topic: Action 215
19:12:41 <lencharest> No progress, but updates to speadsheet have been made by others
19:12:53 <lencharest> John: Will close action 215
19:13:24 <lencharest> Topic: Action 210
19:13:46 <lencharest> MSM: Have draft wording for old namespace doc
19:13:51 <lencharest> s/doc/docs
19:14:38 <MSM> http://www.w3.org/2008/09/sml
19:14:49 <MSM> http://www.w3.org/2008/09/sml-if
19:15:24 <lencharest> MSM: Above URIs show current wording
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19:20:47 <lencharest> Len: Change all occurences of 'namespaces' to 'namespace'
19:21:05 <lencharest> Otherwise, Group approves draft language
19:23:53 <lencharest> Topic: Where should schema docs live?
19:24:17 <lencharest> MSM: Webmaster put them under ns/ directory, along with namespace docs
19:25:49 <lencharest> MSM: But I see no other schema docs in the ns/ directory
19:29:31 <lencharest> MSM: Propose that we adopt policy of publishing "dated" schema URIs akin to the dated URIs for TRs
19:29:59 <lencharest> RESOLUTION: Dated schema URIs will be implemented
19:30:22 <lencharest> Topic: WG teleconference time going forward
19:31:11 <lencharest> John: Propose 12:30pm-1:30pm Eastern on Mondays starting with first meeting in Feb
19:32:33 <lencharest> RESOLUTION: WG teleconference will take place from 12:30pm-1:30pm Eastern on Mondays starting with first meeting in Feb
19:34:28 <lencharest> Topic: Bug 6443 - German message text
19:35:32 <lencharest> RESOLUTION: Text will be changed per description in bug text
19:35:42 <lencharest> John: Bug updated as editorial
19:36:41 <lencharest> Topic: Bug 6245 - SML locid example request from ITS Interest Group
19:36:54 <lencharest> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=6245
19:38:06 <lencharest> Topic: Implementation report
19:38:57 <johnarwe_> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sml/2009Jan/0041.html
19:39:01 <lencharest> Current rev of spreadsheet in CVS is 1.6
19:42:44 <lencharest> Ginny: derefNV is about testing smlfn:deref outside a validator; will we have an implementation
19:43:50 <lencharest> John: Depends on how we define the test
19:47:50 <lencharest> John: One option is to say derefNV is not relevant for interop
19:48:14 <lencharest> s/interop/demonstration of implementation experience
19:48:44 <lencharest> Option two: change the definition of derefNV so that we don't need to test outside the context of a validator
19:52:18 <lencharest> Ginny: Focus of tests is on SML validators
19:52:39 <lencharest> John: Conclusion seems to be that derefNV is not relevant for SML interop
19:54:00 <lencharest> Kumar: SML spec section 4.2.7 has note adressing smlfn:deref and interop
19:54:54 <lencharest> MSM: There is value in separation of defn of smlfn:deref from SML validation; smlfn:deref is useful outside of validation
19:55:08 <lencharest> MSM: reluctant to lose the derefNV feature
19:55:50 <lencharest> Ginny: Would COSMOS serve as an implementation of derefNV because of how smlfn:deref is implemented?
19:59:13 <Zakim> -Sandy
20:00:02 <lencharest> John: Yes
20:11:42 <lencharest> John: We have consensus to update the spreadsheet as described by http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sml/2009Jan/0022.html
20:13:15 <lencharest> Kumar will make change #1 -- adding a second expected results column to differentiate between implementations supporting the  
20:13:15 <lencharest> feature and one for those not supporting it
20:13:57 <johnarwe_> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sml/2009Jan/0047.html
20:19:19 <lencharest> John: Text re row 19 actually applies to row 16
20:19:31 <lencharest> Kumar: MS impl matches expected result for row 16
20:20:43 <lencharest> John: Re row 29 -- Multiple sml:uris means not a valid SML ref; should we remove the test case?
20:21:44 <lencharest> Kumar: suggest updating expected result instead
20:22:24 <lencharest> Ginny: If test is discarded, then create a test that specifically addresses non-root elements
20:22:36 <johnarwe_> http://dev.eclipse.org/viewcvs/index.cgi/org.eclipse.cosmos/tests/resource-modeling/org.eclipse.cosmos.rm.validation.tests/src/test-resources/deref/MultipleNonRoot.xml?root=Technology_Project&view=markup
20:26:42 <johnarwe_> <sml:uri>Courses#smlxpath1(/u:Courses/u:Course[2])</sml:uri>
20:30:40 <lencharest> John: There are many other tests that target non-root; shall we remove row 29?
20:30:48 <lencharest> MSM: Let's just mark it invalid
20:31:26 <lencharest> John: In the past, we've removed invalid tests
20:34:28 <lencharest> John: For consistency, let's remove the test in row 29 (but preserve the row so that row numbers remain the same)
20:35:42 <lencharest> John: Re row 76 ---  need MS results
20:36:21 <lencharest> Kumar: MS results are 76 is false, 77 is true
20:39:36 <lencharest> John: Re 96-99 --- we should add remarks to suggest cosmos alter the tests so a non-supporting impl would find the model invalid
20:42:54 <lencharest> John: How shall we define test pass? Percentage of tests where actual result equals expected result?
20:44:55 <lencharest> MSM: W3C has no rule on this
20:45:43 <lencharest> Topic: Transition to PR
20:46:01 <lencharest> MSM: We need a "clean" copy of the spec that is ready to publish at any time
20:46:48 <lencharest> MSM: We need an estimate from the editors on when we will have a ready-to-publish draft
20:48:28 <lencharest> John: Shall we request transition to PR?
20:48:40 <lencharest> John: Sanday has already said "yes"
20:48:50 <lencharest> s/Sanday/Sandy
20:49:01 <lencharest> John: We have consensus
20:49:31 <lencharest> RESOLUTION: WG will request transition to PR status for SML and SML-IF specs
20:50:41 <lencharest> Ginny: Outsantding editorial changes will be made within a week
20:50:58 <lencharest> s/Outsantding/Outstanding
20:54:21 <johnarwe_> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sml/2009Jan/0022.html
20:54:33 <johnarwe_> under "changes still needed"
20:54:45 <johnarwe_> all have 2x - (--) in front
21:00:41 <Zakim> -MSM
21:00:45 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
21:00:45 <Zakim> -lencharest
21:00:45 <Zakim> -Ginny_Smith
21:00:48 <Zakim> -johnarwe_
21:00:50 <Zakim> XML_SMLWG()2:00PM has ended
21:00:51 <Zakim> Attendees were lencharest, johnarwe_, Sandy, Ginny_Smith, [Microsoft], MSM
21:00:56 <lencharest> rrsagent, draft minutes
21:00:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/01/22-sml-minutes.html lencharest
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