IRC log of er on 2009-01-21

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Zakim, this will be 3794

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ok, trackbot; I see WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes

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Meeting: Evaluation and Repair Tools Working Group Teleconference

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Date: 21 January 2009

13:26:32 [shadi]

agenda?

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agenda+ Pointers-in-RDF

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agenda+ HTTP-in-RDF

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agenda+ Next meetings

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zakim, call shadi-617

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ok, shadi; the call is being made

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WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has now started

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+Shadi

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+MikeS

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+ThomasT

13:31:34 [JohannesK]

zakim, thomast is me

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+JohannesK; got it

13:33:10 [shadi]

regrets: CarlosV

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scribe: MikeS

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scribenick: squillace

13:34:28 [squillace]

Scribe: MikeS

13:34:47 [shadi]

zakim, take up agendum 2

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agendum 2. "HTTP-in-RDF" taken up [from shadi]

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SAZ: AWWSW subgroup of W3C TAG

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...Technical Architecture Group oversees many differing groups of w3 and how technologies fit together or can be assimilated

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...central distnction: syntactic model v. semantic model

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13:37:20 [Zakim]

+Carlos_Iglesias

13:37:32 [squillace]

...tools exchanging information = syntax, meaning, inference, and description fo resources and their relations = semantics

13:38:22 [squillace]

...how do we communicate conformance - to what degree is it syntactic v. semantic?

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...look at coments from group and interact on conformance

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..should happen prior to next draft

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...Http in RDF will be focal point for discussion since it is most likely to be used in other contexts

13:40:38 [shadi]

http://esw.w3.org/topic/AwwswHttpVocabularyInRdfComments

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Topic: Section header

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JK: they want specific property named contentType

13:43:20 [squillace]

...we have two properties: one has literal value, one has resource but we do not ahve specific properties

13:44:23 [squillace]

...fieldName is literal, headerName is resource-oriented

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...don't want to provide properties for each and every header defined (e.g. would not be just HTTP1.1)

13:46:09 [squillace]

SAZ: could we have header names/properties for more comon ones (e.g. contenttype)

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JK: present reasons for our current approach to AWWSW and ask which headers should be properties (e.g. only ones defined in HTTP 1.1)

13:47:34 [squillace]

+1

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Topic: body alternativves

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JK: strictly speaking, object culd only be Base64Content

13:52:51 [shadi]

http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/HTTP/WD-HTTP-in-RDF-20081216

13:53:29 [squillace]

SAZ: need to revisit

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...marked already as an issue

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JK: we already ahve separate classes for varying levels of interpreatation in Content in RDF

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...how does this work in HTTP?

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Topic: Term usage

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SAZ: probably generic not AAWSW sense of the word 'representation'

13:57:16 [squillace]

....all to look at webarch document cited in comment

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Topic: MessageHeader

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JK: already remove owl restrictions

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Topic: Date

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SAZ: suggestion is to subclass dc:date with our own for more specific purpsoe

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...do we want to have a specific meaning?

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JK: Do we need it in Http in RDF at all?

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SAZ: do we want to add a property that inherits from dc:date (e.g. timestamp)?

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....leave this bc it might ahve ripple effects (e.g. do we subclass dc:hasPart)?

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Topic: MethodName v. Method

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Topic: Header element

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JK: may be confusing given the word 'element' in the ocntext of HTML/XML

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...no element in HTTP

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SAZ: not sure aobut next steps except to explain 'element'

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Topic: domains and ranges

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JK: is it permisslbe to say that the range is an HTTP Heaer element and then use colection?

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Tpoic: status codes

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SAZ: ties in directly with EARL schema issue

14:15:34 [squillace]

...every status code would be a class

14:15:43 [shadi]

http://www.w3.org/2008/http-statusCodes

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http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/EARL10/WD-EARL10-Schema-20081126#OutcomeValue

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...OutcomeValue (e.g. Pass)

14:21:57 [squillace]

...should create a list of status codes we need, they belong to HTTP in RDF

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...JK pls draft some responses and update document accordingly

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...may also be items for group discussions

14:26:24 [Zakim]

-Carlos_Iglesias

14:27:48 [shadi]

zakim, close agendum 2

14:27:48 [Zakim]

agendum 2, HTTP-in-RDF, closed

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I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

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1. Pointers-in-RDF [from shadi]

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zakim, take up agendum 1

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agendum 1. "Pointers-in-RDF" taken up [from shadi]

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zakim, close agendum 3

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agendum 3, Next meetings, closed

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I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:

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1. Pointers-in-RDF [from shadi]

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zakim, take up agendum 3

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agendum 3. "Next meetings" taken up [from shadi]

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-JohannesK

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-Shadi

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-MikeS

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WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has ended

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Attendees were Shadi, MikeS, JohannesK, Carlos_Iglesias

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trackbot, end meeting

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Zakim, list attendees

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sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is

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RRSAgent, please draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/01/21-er-minutes.html trackbot

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RRSAgent, bye

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I see no action items