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13:26:23 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes
13:26:24 <trackbot> Meeting: Evaluation and Repair Tools Working Group Teleconference
13:26:24 <trackbot> Date: 21 January 2009
13:26:32 <shadi> agenda?
13:26:49 <shadi> agenda+ Pointers-in-RDF
13:26:56 <shadi> agenda+ HTTP-in-RDF
13:27:03 <shadi> agenda+ Next meetings
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13:27:24 <shadi> zakim, call shadi-617
13:27:24 <Zakim> ok, shadi; the call is being made
13:27:25 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has now started
13:27:26 <Zakim> +Shadi
13:29:11 <Zakim> +MikeS
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13:31:24 <Zakim> +ThomasT
13:31:34 <JohannesK> zakim, thomast is me
13:31:34 <Zakim> +JohannesK; got it
13:33:10 <shadi> regrets: CarlosV
13:34:21 <shadi> scribe: MikeS
13:34:27 <shadi> scribenick: squillace
13:34:28 <squillace> Scribe: MikeS
13:34:47 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 2
13:34:47 <Zakim> agendum 2. "HTTP-in-RDF" taken up [from shadi]
13:35:17 <squillace> SAZ: AWWSW subgroup of W3C TAG
13:35:56 <squillace> ...Technical Architecture Group oversees many differing groups of w3 and how technologies fit together or can be assimilated
13:36:38 <squillace> ...central distnction: syntactic model v. semantic model
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13:37:20 <Zakim> +Carlos_Iglesias
13:37:32 <squillace> ...tools exchanging information = syntax, meaning, inference, and description fo resources and their relations = semantics
13:38:22 <squillace> ...how do we communicate conformance - to what degree is it syntactic v. semantic?
13:39:22 <squillace> ...look at coments from group and interact on conformance
13:39:39 <squillace> ..should happen prior to next draft
13:40:27 <squillace> ...Http in RDF will be focal point for discussion since it is most likely to be used in other contexts
13:40:38 <shadi> http://esw.w3.org/topic/AwwswHttpVocabularyInRdfComments
13:41:02 <squillace> Topic: Section header
13:41:48 <squillace> JK: they want specific property named contentType
13:43:20 <squillace> ...we have two properties: one has literal value, one has resource but we do not ahve specific properties
13:44:23 <squillace> ...fieldName is literal, headerName is resource-oriented
13:45:25 <squillace> ...don't want to provide properties for each and every header defined (e.g. would not be just HTTP1.1)
13:46:09 <squillace> SAZ: could we have header names/properties for more comon ones (e.g. contenttype)
13:47:11 <squillace> JK: present reasons for our current approach to AWWSW and ask which headers should be properties (e.g. only ones defined in HTTP 1.1)
13:47:34 <squillace> +1
13:50:39 <squillace> Topic: body alternativves
13:51:25 <squillace> JK: strictly speaking, object culd only be Base64Content
13:52:51 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/HTTP/WD-HTTP-in-RDF-20081216
13:53:29 <squillace> SAZ: need to revisit
13:53:41 <squillace> ...marked already as an issue
13:55:12 <squillace> JK: we already ahve separate classes for varying levels of interpreatation in Content in RDF
13:55:19 <squillace> ...how does this work in HTTP?
13:55:36 <squillace> Topic: Term usage
13:56:27 <squillace> SAZ: probably generic not AAWSW sense of the word 'representation'
13:57:16 <squillace> ....all to look at webarch document cited in comment
13:57:56 <squillace> Topic: MessageHeader
13:58:07 <squillace> JK: already remove owl restrictions
13:58:10 <squillace> Topic: Date
13:58:31 <squillace> SAZ: suggestion is to subclass dc:date with our own for more specific purpsoe
13:59:28 <squillace> ...do we want to have a specific meaning?
14:01:27 <squillace> JK: Do we need it in Http in RDF at all?
14:02:51 <squillace> SAZ: do we want to add a property that inherits from dc:date (e.g. timestamp)?
14:06:59 <squillace> ....leave this bc it might ahve ripple effects (e.g. do we subclass dc:hasPart)?
14:07:16 <squillace> Topic: MethodName v. Method
14:10:01 <squillace> Topic: Header element
14:10:20 <squillace> JK: may be confusing given the word 'element' in the ocntext of HTML/XML
14:10:37 <squillace> ...no element in HTTP
14:12:34 <squillace> SAZ: not sure aobut next steps except to explain 'element'
14:13:20 <squillace> Topic: domains and ranges
14:14:14 <squillace> JK: is it permisslbe to say that the range is an HTTP Heaer element and then use colection?
14:15:02 <squillace> Tpoic: status codes
14:15:16 <squillace> SAZ: ties in directly with EARL schema issue
14:15:34 <squillace> ...every status code would be a class
14:15:43 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/2008/http-statusCodes
14:16:30 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/EARL10/WD-EARL10-Schema-20081126#OutcomeValue
14:17:00 <squillace> ...OutcomeValue (e.g. Pass)
14:21:57 <squillace> ...should create a list of status codes we need, they belong to HTTP in RDF
14:26:11 <squillace> ...JK pls draft some responses and update document accordingly
14:26:20 <squillace> ...may also be items for group discussions
14:26:24 <Zakim> -Carlos_Iglesias
14:27:48 <shadi> zakim, close agendum 2
14:27:48 <Zakim> agendum 2, HTTP-in-RDF, closed
14:27:49 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:27:51 <Zakim> 1. Pointers-in-RDF [from shadi]
14:27:53 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 1
14:27:53 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Pointers-in-RDF" taken up [from shadi]
14:29:13 <shadi> zakim, close agendum 3
14:29:14 <Zakim> agendum 3, Next meetings, closed
14:29:15 <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
14:29:16 <Zakim> 1. Pointers-in-RDF [from shadi]
14:29:19 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 3
14:29:19 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Next meetings" taken up [from shadi]
14:29:47 <Zakim> -JohannesK
14:29:57 <Zakim> -Shadi
14:29:58 <Zakim> -MikeS
14:29:59 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has ended
14:30:02 <Zakim> Attendees were Shadi, MikeS, JohannesK, Carlos_Iglesias
14:30:23 <shadi> trackbot, end meeting
14:30:23 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
14:30:23 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
14:30:24 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
14:30:24 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/01/21-er-minutes.html trackbot
14:30:25 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
14:30:25 <RRSAgent> I see no action items