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13:50:24 <josema> chair: kevin, john
13:50:48 <josema> agenda+ Appoint a scribe
13:51:12 <josema> agenda+ agenda adjustments
13:51:27 <josema> agenda+ Debrief of recent Kevin/TimBL meeting
13:51:39 <josema> agenda+ CEN eGov-Share comments sent
13:51:48 <josema> agenda+ New Use Cases
13:52:04 <josema> agenda+ Confirmed: 2nd F2F @ AIA (12-13 March 2009)
13:52:16 <josema> agenda?
13:52:42 <josema> zakim, move agendum 6 to 4
13:52:42 <Zakim> I don't understand 'move agendum 6 to 4', josema
13:54:46 <josema> zakim, order is 1,2,3,6,4,5
13:54:46 <Zakim> sorry, josema, I do not recognize a party named 'order'
13:55:01 <josema> agenda order is 1,2,3,6,4,5
13:55:04 <josema> agenda?
13:55:29 <josema> agenda+ Editor's draft
13:55:39 <josema> agenda+ Deadlines and completeness
13:55:49 <josema> agenda+ Open actions
13:55:58 <josema> agenda+ Next Meeting
13:56:01 <josema> agenda?
13:56:37 <josema> trackbot, start telcon
13:56:39 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
13:56:41 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be EGOV
13:56:41 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see T&S_EGOV()9:00AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes
13:56:42 <trackbot> Meeting: eGovernment Interest Group Teleconference
13:56:42 <trackbot> Date: 21 January 2009
13:56:56 <josema> chair: kevin, john
13:57:35 <kevin> kevin has joined #egov
13:57:52 <kevin> I am here on IRC and about to jump on the conference line.
13:58:07 <josema> hi kevin :)
14:00:23 <Zakim> T&S_EGOV()9:00AM has now started
14:00:24 <Zakim> +Josema
14:00:46 <josema> zakim, who's here?
14:00:46 <Zakim> On the phone I see Josema
14:00:47 <Zakim> On IRC I see kevin, RRSAgent, Zakim, josema, trackbot
14:02:40 <Zakim> + +1.509.464.aaaa
14:03:15 <josema> zakim, aaaa is rachel
14:03:16 <Zakim> +rachel; got it
14:03:27 <Rachel> Rachel has joined #egov
14:03:42 <josema> zakim, who's here?
14:03:42 <Zakim> On the phone I see Josema, rachel
14:03:44 <Zakim> On IRC I see Rachel, kevin, RRSAgent, Zakim, josema, trackbot
14:03:58 <josema> zakim, rachel is Rachel
14:03:58 <Zakim> +Rachel; got it
14:04:25 <john> john has joined #eGov
14:05:05 <Zakim> + +1.202.207.aabb
14:05:27 <Zakim> +john
14:05:38 <Zakim> + +1.301.455.aacc
14:05:40 <josema> zakim, aabb is kevin
14:05:40 <Zakim> +kevin; got it
14:05:49 <josema> zakim, aacc is owen
14:05:49 <Zakim> +owen; got it
14:06:33 <Zakim> -Josema
14:07:07 <Zakim> +berrueta
14:07:52 <josema> agenda?
14:10:04 <josema> agenda?
14:10:07 <Owen> Owen has joined #egov
14:10:27 <john> I can scribe if Kevin wants to chair?
14:10:50 <josema> scribe: josema
14:11:01 <josema> move to next agendum
14:11:01 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Appoint a scribe" taken up [from josema]
14:11:19 <josema> me takes on scribing
14:11:25 <josema> move to next agendum
14:11:25 <Zakim> agendum 1 was just opened, josema
14:11:29 <josema> close this agendum
14:11:33 <josema> move to next agendum
14:11:33 <Zakim> agendum 2. "agenda adjustments" taken up [from josema]
14:11:40 <josema> close this agendum
14:11:44 <josema> move to next agendum
14:11:44 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Debrief of recent Kevin/TimBL meeting" taken up [from josema]
14:12:03 <josema> kevin: met with TimBL at MIT, talked about challenges
14:12:32 <josema> ... eGov activity being long term, challenges of our first year
14:12:54 <josema> ... talked about optimism around Obama
14:13:18 <josema> ... issues paper important for people like new administration in the US
14:13:33 <josema> ... to understand importance of open standards, etc.
14:13:59 <josema> ... Obama also talking about US being recognized as the lead in initiatives
14:14:09 <josema> ... we need to review charter by May
14:14:18 <josema> ... setup agenda for next 1-2 years
14:14:39 <josema> ... overall a good conversation
14:14:59 <josema> ... Tim to give keynote at @@ event, gave him some ideas
14:15:23 <josema> ... also to Karen Myers, speech to focus on openness and transparency
14:15:54 <josema> ... start on capitalizing on opportunities with new US Admin.
14:16:19 <josema> ... also had lunch with KM, talked about our focus on high level issues
14:16:30 <josema> ... the need of coordination with other Groups at W3C
14:17:03 <josema> ... the policy vs. technology differences
14:17:32 <josema> ... the upcoming AC Meeting, much strategic discussion expected
14:18:19 <josema> ... development vs. deployment, need to get a better and bigger picture
14:18:49 <josema> ... talked to TimBL about meeting at TWB back in November 2008
14:19:10 <josema> ... there was discussion about technological issues in developing countries
14:19:23 <josema> ... financial data, government services
14:19:53 <josema> ... Tim thinks it was a great brainstorming session, but not many conclusions yet
14:20:40 <josema> ... TWB championing eGov architecture in dev. countries??
14:21:15 <josema> ... need to work with legacy systems, but also long-term planning and new infrastructure in place
14:21:51 <josema> agenda?
14:25:06 <josema> s/@@/TED
14:25:39 <josema> [connection between open government and open standards]
14:26:27 <josema> john: interesting how we can make SW work for Gov
14:26:43 <josema> ... there are some practical things that are easy to do and can be done today
14:26:58 <josema> ... that would be the building blocks for future apps
14:27:37 <josema> owen: any specific actions came out of the meeting?
14:28:49 <josema> kevin: 1)publish our document, maybe in pieces??, 2)re-charter, 3)asked Tim, others to support our work, 4)funding, emphasized the importance of our work
14:29:17 <josema> ... 5)need to outreach in conferences
14:29:47 <josema> owen: good, I will think about it and things we could do to support those
14:29:50 <josema> agenda?
14:30:03 <josema> move to next agendum
14:30:08 <Zakim> agendum 6. "Confirmed: 2nd F2F @ AIA (12-13 March 2009)" taken up [from josema]
14:30:29 <josema> kevin: confirmed meeting at AIA, board room can host up to 65??
14:30:49 <josema> ... calls are good, but some F2F could also help us focus better
14:31:00 <josema> ... on where we are, what we should do, how to move forward
14:31:17 <josema> ... expect it will help energize people
14:31:53 <josema> ... also taking advantage of new US Admin.
14:32:16 <josema> rachel: I'm disappointed because of not getting more people on calls
14:32:36 <josema> ... understand all very busy, but this is an important and huge topic
14:33:02 <josema> kevin: agree
14:34:13 <josema> agenda?
14:34:51 <josema> owen: I presume people are not in calls because they have more urgent and important things to do
14:35:11 <josema> ... we should try to reflect their issues they are trying to solve in the paper???
14:36:35 <john> q+
14:36:37 <josema> ... I think it's because people is busy, not because they are not interested
14:36:40 <josema> q?
14:37:10 <josema> zakim, take up agendum 7
14:37:10 <Zakim> agendum 7. "Editor's draft" taken up [from josema]
14:37:25 <josema> [kevin on document authorship]
14:39:42 <josema> ack john
14:40:01 <josema> [jose on authorship, message is coming, sorry for the dealy]
14:40:20 <josema> john: besides draft, how can we encourage people to attend?
14:40:47 <josema> ... we organized a barcamp recently and 150+ people showed up
14:41:08 <josema> ... seats were gone in just 24 hours??
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14:44:43 <Zakim> + +34.98.439.aadd
14:44:54 <josema> zakim, aaadd is oscar
14:44:54 <Zakim> sorry, josema, I do not recognize a party named 'aaadd'
14:45:00 <josema> zakim, aadd is oscar
14:45:00 <Zakim> +oscar; got it
14:45:05 <ocr> hi all
14:45:16 <josema> [jose on lowering barriers as much as possible]
14:45:18 <ocr> sorry for being late - coming from the never ending meeting :(
14:45:52 <josema> kevin: yes, room holds 65
14:46:10 <josema> ... if we could have a very good speaker, that could also help
14:46:15 <josema> owen: any idea on who?
14:46:37 <josema> kevin: not yet, maybe someone from the Obama administration
14:46:59 <josema> ... tried to get one from the campaign to speak at AIA but everybody too busy right now
14:47:32 <josema> owen: obviously the head of technology of his transition Team, but probably a long shot
14:47:40 <josema> kevin: I agree
14:47:51 <josema> rachel: let me think about it
14:47:59 <josema> owen: I'll give it some thought, too
14:48:27 <josema> kevin: reaching out to FIRM, so maybe they would like to participate, too
14:48:38 <josema> ... thanks Owen for putting us in touch, btw
14:48:44 <josema> owen: ok
14:49:14 <josema> john: I don't think it would be difficult to get a bunch of people
14:49:31 <josema> ... many people interested in discussing pressing issues
14:50:13 <josema> ... if we can have an easy for people to figure out how to participate
14:50:22 <josema> ... we may use some tools
14:50:47 <josema> ... will use my Twitter
14:51:03 <josema> [[me did this so far:
14:51:05 <josema>   http://www.w3.org/blog/egov/2009/01/17/egovig_f2f_2
14:51:05 <josema>   http://www.epractice.eu/document/5372
14:51:05 <josema>   http://www.govloop.com/events/w3c-egovernment-interest-group
14:51:05 <josema>   http://events.linkedin.com/pub/29772
14:51:06 <josema> ]]
14:52:02 <josema> kevin: we may have a PR piece that we could circulate to those
14:52:07 <john> like always Jose, one step ahead
14:55:12 <josema> jose: what else to do besides that?
14:55:37 <josema> kevin: we are doing our best effort, let's outreach to our networks
14:56:14 <josema> jose: very much believe we need to get the draft out, and things will change for good
14:56:17 <josema> kevin: agree
14:56:30 <josema> s/good/better
14:56:51 <john> Have tweeted: http://twitter.com/johnlsheridan/status/1136357938
14:57:04 <josema> owen: in my experience, this comes down to 2-3 committed individuals to do the drating
14:57:08 <josema> s/drating/drafting
14:57:12 <josema> agenda?
14:57:24 <josema> zakim, close agendum 6
14:57:24 <Zakim> agendum 6, Confirmed: 2nd F2F @ AIA (12-13 March 2009), closed
14:57:25 <Zakim> I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:57:26 <Zakim> 4. CEN eGov-Share comments sent [from josema]
14:57:51 <josema> http://www.w3.org/2009/01/W3C-CEN-eGov-Share-comments
14:59:43 <josema> agenda?
15:00:53 <josema> zakim, take up next agendum
15:00:53 <Zakim> agendum 4. "CEN eGov-Share comments sent" taken up [from josema]
15:01:01 <josema> zakim, close this agendum
15:01:01 <Zakim> agendum 4 closed
15:01:02 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:01:03 <Zakim> 5. New Use Cases [from josema]
15:01:05 <josema> zakim, take up next agendum
15:01:05 <Zakim> agendum 5. "New Use Cases" taken up [from josema]
15:01:18 <josema> [[    http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/Use_Case_10_-_Persistent_URIs
15:01:19 <josema>     http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/Use_Case_11_-_Identification_Authentication
15:01:19 <josema>     http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/Use_Case_12_-_Risk_Management_for_Social_Media
15:01:19 <josema> ]]
15:04:09 <josema> http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/UseCases/
15:10:26 <josema> [jose on need for stable location]
15:11:06 <josema> [kevin, john agree]
15:11:31 <josema> [jose on difference between use cases and case studies]
15:12:37 <josema> many thanks to Martin Alvarez (W3C.es) for helping me put together the stuff!
15:12:45 <josema> agenda?
15:13:16 <josema> [john on government changes and persistence]
15:13:38 <josema> john: whitehouse.gov as example, fully changed yesterday
15:14:53 <josema> owen: I haven't realized, but I was trying to find a OMB circular that is not available
15:15:08 <josema> rachel: maybe at a different address than where it was last night
15:15:29 <josema> agenda?
15:17:22 <josema> http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/track/actions/open
15:18:10 <josema> ACTION rachel to provide use case on social media
15:18:10 <trackbot> Created ACTION-42 - Provide use case on social media [on Rachel Flagg - due 2009-01-28].
15:18:24 <josema> ACTION rachel to provide use case on "plain language"
15:18:25 <trackbot> Created ACTION-43 - Provide use case on \"plain language\" [on Rachel Flagg - due 2009-01-28].
15:19:09 <josema> agenda?
15:19:30 <josema> zakim, take up next agendum
15:19:30 <Zakim> agendum 8. "Deadlines and completeness" taken up [from josema]
15:19:50 <josema> http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/ActivityPlan
15:23:15 <josema> [jose on deadlines]
15:23:33 <josema> jose: propose 28 February as hard deadline
15:25:25 <josema> kevin: ok
15:25:27 <josema> john: ok
15:25:59 <josema> oscar: also interested in interop
15:26:09 <josema> jose: I'm putting john, oscar there
15:26:11 <josema> agenda?
15:26:31 <josema> take up next agendum
15:26:33 <josema> http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/track/actions/open
15:27:43 <josema> agenda?
15:28:06 <josema> next meeting: 4 Feb
15:28:50 <Zakim> -kevin
15:28:52 <Zakim> -owen
15:28:53 <Zakim> -Rachel
15:28:55 <Zakim> -josema
15:28:55 <Zakim> -john
15:29:00 <josema> [ADJOURNED]
15:31:06 <josema> zakim, list attendees
15:31:06 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Josema, +1.509.464.aaaa, Rachel, +1.202.207.aabb, john, +1.301.455.aacc, kevin, owen, +34.98.439.aadd, oscar
15:31:12 <josema> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:31:13 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/01/21-egov-minutes.html josema
15:31:16 <Zakim> -oscar
15:31:18 <Zakim> T&S_EGOV()9:00AM has ended
15:31:19 <Zakim> Attendees were Josema, +1.509.464.aaaa, Rachel, +1.202.207.aabb, john, +1.301.455.aacc, kevin, owen, +34.98.439.aadd, oscar
15:42:26 <josema> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:42:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/01/21-egov-minutes.html josema
16:05:52 <josema> agenda?
16:06:07 <josema> next agendum
16:06:17 <josema> zakim, next agendum
16:06:23 <josema> zakim, take up next agendum
16:06:24 <Zakim> agendum 10 was just opened, josema
16:06:30 <Zakim> agendum 10 was just opened, josema
16:06:39 <josema> zakim, close agendum
16:06:42 <Zakim> I don't understand 'close agendum', josema
16:06:47 <josema> zakim, close this agendum
16:06:47 <Zakim> agendum 10 closed
16:06:48 <Zakim> I see nothing remaining on the agenda
16:06:51 <josema> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:06:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/01/21-egov-minutes.html josema
16:25:00 <josema> zakim, bye
16:25:00 <Zakim> Zakim has left #egov
16:25:04 <josema> rrsagent, bye
16:25:04 <RRSAgent> I see no action items