IRC log of egov on 2009-01-21

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13:50:24 [josema]

chair: kevin, john

13:50:48 [josema]

agenda+ Appoint a scribe

13:51:12 [josema]

agenda+ agenda adjustments

13:51:27 [josema]

agenda+ Debrief of recent Kevin/TimBL meeting

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agenda+ CEN eGov-Share comments sent

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agenda+ New Use Cases

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agenda+ Confirmed: 2nd F2F @ AIA (12-13 March 2009)

13:52:16 [josema]

agenda?

13:52:42 [josema]

zakim, move agendum 6 to 4

13:52:42 [Zakim]

I don't understand 'move agendum 6 to 4', josema

13:54:46 [josema]

zakim, order is 1,2,3,6,4,5

13:54:46 [Zakim]

sorry, josema, I do not recognize a party named 'order'

13:55:01 [josema]

agenda order is 1,2,3,6,4,5

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agenda?

13:55:29 [josema]

agenda+ Editor's draft

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agenda+ Deadlines and completeness

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agenda+ Open actions

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agenda+ Next Meeting

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agenda?

13:56:37 [josema]

trackbot, start telcon

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RRSAgent, make logs public

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Zakim, this will be EGOV

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ok, trackbot; I see T&S_EGOV()9:00AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes

13:56:42 [trackbot]

Meeting: eGovernment Interest Group Teleconference

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Date: 21 January 2009

13:56:56 [josema]

chair: kevin, john

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I am here on IRC and about to jump on the conference line.

13:58:07 [josema]

hi kevin :)

14:00:23 [Zakim]

T&S_EGOV()9:00AM has now started

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+Josema

14:00:46 [josema]

zakim, who's here?

14:00:46 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Josema

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On IRC I see kevin, RRSAgent, Zakim, josema, trackbot

14:02:40 [Zakim]

+ +1.509.464.aaaa

14:03:15 [josema]

zakim, aaaa is rachel

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+rachel; got it

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zakim, who's here?

14:03:42 [Zakim]

On the phone I see Josema, rachel

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On IRC I see Rachel, kevin, RRSAgent, Zakim, josema, trackbot

14:03:58 [josema]

zakim, rachel is Rachel

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+Rachel; got it

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+ +1.202.207.aabb

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+john

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+ +1.301.455.aacc

14:05:40 [josema]

zakim, aabb is kevin

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+kevin; got it

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zakim, aacc is owen

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+owen; got it

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-Josema

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+berrueta

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agenda?

14:10:04 [josema]

agenda?

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14:10:27 [john]

I can scribe if Kevin wants to chair?

14:10:50 [josema]

scribe: josema

14:11:01 [josema]

move to next agendum

14:11:01 [Zakim]

agendum 1. "Appoint a scribe" taken up [from josema]

14:11:19 [josema]

me takes on scribing

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move to next agendum

14:11:25 [Zakim]

agendum 1 was just opened, josema

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close this agendum

14:11:33 [josema]

move to next agendum

14:11:33 [Zakim]

agendum 2. "agenda adjustments" taken up [from josema]

14:11:40 [josema]

close this agendum

14:11:44 [josema]

move to next agendum

14:11:44 [Zakim]

agendum 3. "Debrief of recent Kevin/TimBL meeting" taken up [from josema]

14:12:03 [josema]

kevin: met with TimBL at MIT, talked about challenges

14:12:32 [josema]

... eGov activity being long term, challenges of our first year

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... talked about optimism around Obama

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... issues paper important for people like new administration in the US

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... to understand importance of open standards, etc.

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... Obama also talking about US being recognized as the lead in initiatives

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... we need to review charter by May

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... setup agenda for next 1-2 years

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... overall a good conversation

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... Tim to give keynote at @@ event, gave him some ideas

14:15:23 [josema]

... also to Karen Myers, speech to focus on openness and transparency

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... start on capitalizing on opportunities with new US Admin.

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... also had lunch with KM, talked about our focus on high level issues

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... the need of coordination with other Groups at W3C

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... the policy vs. technology differences

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... the upcoming AC Meeting, much strategic discussion expected

14:18:19 [josema]

... development vs. deployment, need to get a better and bigger picture

14:18:49 [josema]

... talked to TimBL about meeting at TWB back in November 2008

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... there was discussion about technological issues in developing countries

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... financial data, government services

14:19:53 [josema]

... Tim thinks it was a great brainstorming session, but not many conclusions yet

14:20:40 [josema]

... TWB championing eGov architecture in dev. countries??

14:21:15 [josema]

... need to work with legacy systems, but also long-term planning and new infrastructure in place

14:21:51 [josema]

agenda?

14:25:06 [josema]

s/@@/TED

14:25:39 [josema]

[connection between open government and open standards]

14:26:27 [josema]

john: interesting how we can make SW work for Gov

14:26:43 [josema]

... there are some practical things that are easy to do and can be done today

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... that would be the building blocks for future apps

14:27:37 [josema]

owen: any specific actions came out of the meeting?

14:28:49 [josema]

kevin: 1)publish our document, maybe in pieces??, 2)re-charter, 3)asked Tim, others to support our work, 4)funding, emphasized the importance of our work

14:29:17 [josema]

... 5)need to outreach in conferences

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owen: good, I will think about it and things we could do to support those

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agenda?

14:30:03 [josema]

move to next agendum

14:30:08 [Zakim]

agendum 6. "Confirmed: 2nd F2F @ AIA (12-13 March 2009)" taken up [from josema]

14:30:29 [josema]

kevin: confirmed meeting at AIA, board room can host up to 65??

14:30:49 [josema]

... calls are good, but some F2F could also help us focus better

14:31:00 [josema]

... on where we are, what we should do, how to move forward

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... expect it will help energize people

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... also taking advantage of new US Admin.

14:32:16 [josema]

rachel: I'm disappointed because of not getting more people on calls

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... understand all very busy, but this is an important and huge topic

14:33:02 [josema]

kevin: agree

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agenda?

14:34:51 [josema]

owen: I presume people are not in calls because they have more urgent and important things to do

14:35:11 [josema]

... we should try to reflect their issues they are trying to solve in the paper???

14:36:35 [john]

q+

14:36:37 [josema]

... I think it's because people is busy, not because they are not interested

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q?

14:37:10 [josema]

zakim, take up agendum 7

14:37:10 [Zakim]

agendum 7. "Editor's draft" taken up [from josema]

14:37:25 [josema]

[kevin on document authorship]

14:39:42 [josema]

ack john

14:40:01 [josema]

[jose on authorship, message is coming, sorry for the dealy]

14:40:20 [josema]

john: besides draft, how can we encourage people to attend?

14:40:47 [josema]

... we organized a barcamp recently and 150+ people showed up

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... seats were gone in just 24 hours??

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14:44:43 [Zakim]

+ +34.98.439.aadd

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zakim, aaadd is oscar

14:44:54 [Zakim]

sorry, josema, I do not recognize a party named 'aaadd'

14:45:00 [josema]

zakim, aadd is oscar

14:45:00 [Zakim]

+oscar; got it

14:45:05 [ocr]

hi all

14:45:16 [josema]

[jose on lowering barriers as much as possible]

14:45:18 [ocr]

sorry for being late - coming from the never ending meeting :(

14:45:52 [josema]

kevin: yes, room holds 65

14:46:10 [josema]

... if we could have a very good speaker, that could also help

14:46:15 [josema]

owen: any idea on who?

14:46:37 [josema]

kevin: not yet, maybe someone from the Obama administration

14:46:59 [josema]

... tried to get one from the campaign to speak at AIA but everybody too busy right now

14:47:32 [josema]

owen: obviously the head of technology of his transition Team, but probably a long shot

14:47:40 [josema]

kevin: I agree

14:47:51 [josema]

rachel: let me think about it

14:47:59 [josema]

owen: I'll give it some thought, too

14:48:27 [josema]

kevin: reaching out to FIRM, so maybe they would like to participate, too

14:48:38 [josema]

... thanks Owen for putting us in touch, btw

14:48:44 [josema]

owen: ok

14:49:14 [josema]

john: I don't think it would be difficult to get a bunch of people

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... many people interested in discussing pressing issues

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... if we can have an easy for people to figure out how to participate

14:50:22 [josema]

... we may use some tools

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... will use my Twitter

14:51:03 [josema]

[[me did this so far:

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http://www.w3.org/blog/egov/2009/01/17/egovig_f2f_2

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http://www.epractice.eu/document/5372

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http://www.govloop.com/events/w3c-egovernment-interest-group

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http://events.linkedin.com/pub/29772

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]]

14:52:02 [josema]

kevin: we may have a PR piece that we could circulate to those

14:52:07 [john]

like always Jose, one step ahead

14:55:12 [josema]

jose: what else to do besides that?

14:55:37 [josema]

kevin: we are doing our best effort, let's outreach to our networks

14:56:14 [josema]

jose: very much believe we need to get the draft out, and things will change for good

14:56:17 [josema]

kevin: agree

14:56:30 [josema]

s/good/better

14:56:51 [john]

Have tweeted: http://twitter.com/johnlsheridan/status/1136357938

14:57:04 [josema]

owen: in my experience, this comes down to 2-3 committed individuals to do the drating

14:57:08 [josema]

s/drating/drafting

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agenda?

14:57:24 [josema]

zakim, close agendum 6

14:57:24 [Zakim]

agendum 6, Confirmed: 2nd F2F @ AIA (12-13 March 2009), closed

14:57:25 [Zakim]

I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

14:57:26 [Zakim]

4. CEN eGov-Share comments sent [from josema]

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http://www.w3.org/2009/01/W3C-CEN-eGov-Share-comments

14:59:43 [josema]

agenda?

15:00:53 [josema]

zakim, take up next agendum

15:00:53 [Zakim]

agendum 4. "CEN eGov-Share comments sent" taken up [from josema]

15:01:01 [josema]

zakim, close this agendum

15:01:01 [Zakim]

agendum 4 closed

15:01:02 [Zakim]

I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

15:01:03 [Zakim]

5. New Use Cases [from josema]

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zakim, take up next agendum

15:01:05 [Zakim]

agendum 5. "New Use Cases" taken up [from josema]

15:01:18 [josema]

[[ http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/Use_Case_10_-_Persistent_URIs

15:01:19 [josema]

http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/Use_Case_11_-_Identification_Authentication

15:01:19 [josema]

http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/Use_Case_12_-_Risk_Management_for_Social_Media

15:01:19 [josema]

]]

15:04:09 [josema]

http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/UseCases/

15:10:26 [josema]

[jose on need for stable location]

15:11:06 [josema]

[kevin, john agree]

15:11:31 [josema]

[jose on difference between use cases and case studies]

15:12:37 [josema]

many thanks to Martin Alvarez (W3C.es) for helping me put together the stuff!

15:12:45 [josema]

agenda?

15:13:16 [josema]

[john on government changes and persistence]

15:13:38 [josema]

john: whitehouse.gov as example, fully changed yesterday

15:14:53 [josema]

owen: I haven't realized, but I was trying to find a OMB circular that is not available

15:15:08 [josema]

rachel: maybe at a different address than where it was last night

15:15:29 [josema]

agenda?

15:17:22 [josema]

http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/track/actions/open

15:18:10 [josema]

ACTION rachel to provide use case on social media

15:18:10 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-42 - Provide use case on social media [on Rachel Flagg - due 2009-01-28].

15:18:24 [josema]

ACTION rachel to provide use case on "plain language"

15:18:25 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-43 - Provide use case on \"plain language\" [on Rachel Flagg - due 2009-01-28].

15:19:09 [josema]

agenda?

15:19:30 [josema]

zakim, take up next agendum

15:19:30 [Zakim]

agendum 8. "Deadlines and completeness" taken up [from josema]

15:19:50 [josema]

http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/ActivityPlan

15:23:15 [josema]

[jose on deadlines]

15:23:33 [josema]

jose: propose 28 February as hard deadline

15:25:25 [josema]

kevin: ok

15:25:27 [josema]

john: ok

15:25:59 [josema]

oscar: also interested in interop

15:26:09 [josema]

jose: I'm putting john, oscar there

15:26:11 [josema]

agenda?

15:26:31 [josema]

take up next agendum

15:26:33 [josema]

http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/track/actions/open

15:27:43 [josema]

agenda?

15:28:06 [josema]

next meeting: 4 Feb

15:28:50 [Zakim]

-kevin

15:28:52 [Zakim]

-owen

15:28:53 [Zakim]

-Rachel

15:28:55 [Zakim]

-josema

15:28:55 [Zakim]

-john

15:29:00 [josema]

[ADJOURNED]

15:31:06 [josema]

zakim, list attendees

15:31:06 [Zakim]

As of this point the attendees have been Josema, +1.509.464.aaaa, Rachel, +1.202.207.aabb, john, +1.301.455.aacc, kevin, owen, +34.98.439.aadd, oscar

15:31:12 [josema]

rrsagent, draft minutes

15:31:13 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/01/21-egov-minutes.html josema

15:31:16 [Zakim]

-oscar

15:31:18 [Zakim]

T&S_EGOV()9:00AM has ended

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Attendees were Josema, +1.509.464.aaaa, Rachel, +1.202.207.aabb, john, +1.301.455.aacc, kevin, owen, +34.98.439.aadd, oscar

15:42:26 [josema]

rrsagent, draft minutes

15:42:26 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/01/21-egov-minutes.html josema

16:05:52 [josema]

agenda?

16:06:07 [josema]

next agendum

16:06:17 [josema]

zakim, next agendum

16:06:23 [josema]

zakim, take up next agendum

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agendum 10 was just opened, josema

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agendum 10 was just opened, josema

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zakim, close agendum

16:06:42 [Zakim]

I don't understand 'close agendum', josema

16:06:47 [josema]

zakim, close this agendum

16:06:47 [Zakim]

agendum 10 closed

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I see nothing remaining on the agenda

16:06:51 [josema]

rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/01/21-egov-minutes.html josema

16:25:00 [josema]

zakim, bye

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Zakim has left #egov

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rrsagent, bye

16:25:04 [RRSAgent]

I see no action items