IRC log of egov on 2009-01-21

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logging to
13:50:24 [josema]
chair: kevin, john
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agenda+ Appoint a scribe
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agenda+ agenda adjustments
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agenda+ Debrief of recent Kevin/TimBL meeting
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agenda+ CEN eGov-Share comments sent
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agenda+ New Use Cases
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agenda+ Confirmed: 2nd F2F @ AIA (12-13 March 2009)
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13:52:42 [josema]
zakim, move agendum 6 to 4
13:52:42 [Zakim]
I don't understand 'move agendum 6 to 4', josema
13:54:46 [josema]
zakim, order is 1,2,3,6,4,5
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sorry, josema, I do not recognize a party named 'order'
13:55:01 [josema]
agenda order is 1,2,3,6,4,5
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agenda+ Editor's draft
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agenda+ Deadlines and completeness
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agenda+ Open actions
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agenda+ Next Meeting
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trackbot, start telcon
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RRSAgent, make logs public
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Zakim, this will be EGOV
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ok, trackbot; I see T&S_EGOV()9:00AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes
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Meeting: eGovernment Interest Group Teleconference
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Date: 21 January 2009
13:56:56 [josema]
chair: kevin, john
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I am here on IRC and about to jump on the conference line.
13:58:07 [josema]
hi kevin :)
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T&S_EGOV()9:00AM has now started
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14:00:46 [josema]
zakim, who's here?
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On the phone I see Josema
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On IRC I see kevin, RRSAgent, Zakim, josema, trackbot
14:02:40 [Zakim]
+ +1.509.464.aaaa
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zakim, aaaa is rachel
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+rachel; got it
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zakim, who's here?
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On the phone I see Josema, rachel
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On IRC I see Rachel, kevin, RRSAgent, Zakim, josema, trackbot
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zakim, rachel is Rachel
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+Rachel; got it
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+ +1.202.207.aabb
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+ +1.301.455.aacc
14:05:40 [josema]
zakim, aabb is kevin
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+kevin; got it
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zakim, aacc is owen
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+owen; got it
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14:10:27 [john]
I can scribe if Kevin wants to chair?
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scribe: josema
14:11:01 [josema]
move to next agendum
14:11:01 [Zakim]
agendum 1. "Appoint a scribe" taken up [from josema]
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me takes on scribing
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move to next agendum
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agendum 1 was just opened, josema
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close this agendum
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move to next agendum
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agendum 2. "agenda adjustments" taken up [from josema]
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close this agendum
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move to next agendum
14:11:44 [Zakim]
agendum 3. "Debrief of recent Kevin/TimBL meeting" taken up [from josema]
14:12:03 [josema]
kevin: met with TimBL at MIT, talked about challenges
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... eGov activity being long term, challenges of our first year
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... talked about optimism around Obama
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... issues paper important for people like new administration in the US
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... to understand importance of open standards, etc.
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... Obama also talking about US being recognized as the lead in initiatives
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... we need to review charter by May
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... setup agenda for next 1-2 years
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... overall a good conversation
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... Tim to give keynote at @@ event, gave him some ideas
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... also to Karen Myers, speech to focus on openness and transparency
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... start on capitalizing on opportunities with new US Admin.
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... also had lunch with KM, talked about our focus on high level issues
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... the need of coordination with other Groups at W3C
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... the policy vs. technology differences
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... the upcoming AC Meeting, much strategic discussion expected
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... development vs. deployment, need to get a better and bigger picture
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... talked to TimBL about meeting at TWB back in November 2008
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... there was discussion about technological issues in developing countries
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... financial data, government services
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... Tim thinks it was a great brainstorming session, but not many conclusions yet
14:20:40 [josema]
... TWB championing eGov architecture in dev. countries??
14:21:15 [josema]
... need to work with legacy systems, but also long-term planning and new infrastructure in place
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[connection between open government and open standards]
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john: interesting how we can make SW work for Gov
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... there are some practical things that are easy to do and can be done today
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... that would be the building blocks for future apps
14:27:37 [josema]
owen: any specific actions came out of the meeting?
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kevin: 1)publish our document, maybe in pieces??, 2)re-charter, 3)asked Tim, others to support our work, 4)funding, emphasized the importance of our work
14:29:17 [josema]
... 5)need to outreach in conferences
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owen: good, I will think about it and things we could do to support those
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14:30:03 [josema]
move to next agendum
14:30:08 [Zakim]
agendum 6. "Confirmed: 2nd F2F @ AIA (12-13 March 2009)" taken up [from josema]
14:30:29 [josema]
kevin: confirmed meeting at AIA, board room can host up to 65??
14:30:49 [josema]
... calls are good, but some F2F could also help us focus better
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... on where we are, what we should do, how to move forward
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... expect it will help energize people
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... also taking advantage of new US Admin.
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rachel: I'm disappointed because of not getting more people on calls
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... understand all very busy, but this is an important and huge topic
14:33:02 [josema]
kevin: agree
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owen: I presume people are not in calls because they have more urgent and important things to do
14:35:11 [josema]
... we should try to reflect their issues they are trying to solve in the paper???
14:36:35 [john]
14:36:37 [josema]
... I think it's because people is busy, not because they are not interested
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zakim, take up agendum 7
14:37:10 [Zakim]
agendum 7. "Editor's draft" taken up [from josema]
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[kevin on document authorship]
14:39:42 [josema]
ack john
14:40:01 [josema]
[jose on authorship, message is coming, sorry for the dealy]
14:40:20 [josema]
john: besides draft, how can we encourage people to attend?
14:40:47 [josema]
... we organized a barcamp recently and 150+ people showed up
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... seats were gone in just 24 hours??
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+ +34.98.439.aadd
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zakim, aaadd is oscar
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sorry, josema, I do not recognize a party named 'aaadd'
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zakim, aadd is oscar
14:45:00 [Zakim]
+oscar; got it
14:45:05 [ocr]
hi all
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[jose on lowering barriers as much as possible]
14:45:18 [ocr]
sorry for being late - coming from the never ending meeting :(
14:45:52 [josema]
kevin: yes, room holds 65
14:46:10 [josema]
... if we could have a very good speaker, that could also help
14:46:15 [josema]
owen: any idea on who?
14:46:37 [josema]
kevin: not yet, maybe someone from the Obama administration
14:46:59 [josema]
... tried to get one from the campaign to speak at AIA but everybody too busy right now
14:47:32 [josema]
owen: obviously the head of technology of his transition Team, but probably a long shot
14:47:40 [josema]
kevin: I agree
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rachel: let me think about it
14:47:59 [josema]
owen: I'll give it some thought, too
14:48:27 [josema]
kevin: reaching out to FIRM, so maybe they would like to participate, too
14:48:38 [josema]
... thanks Owen for putting us in touch, btw
14:48:44 [josema]
owen: ok
14:49:14 [josema]
john: I don't think it would be difficult to get a bunch of people
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... many people interested in discussing pressing issues
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... if we can have an easy for people to figure out how to participate
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... we may use some tools
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... will use my Twitter
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[[me did this so far:
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kevin: we may have a PR piece that we could circulate to those
14:52:07 [john]
like always Jose, one step ahead
14:55:12 [josema]
jose: what else to do besides that?
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kevin: we are doing our best effort, let's outreach to our networks
14:56:14 [josema]
jose: very much believe we need to get the draft out, and things will change for good
14:56:17 [josema]
kevin: agree
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14:56:51 [john]
Have tweeted:
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owen: in my experience, this comes down to 2-3 committed individuals to do the drating
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zakim, close agendum 6
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agendum 6, Confirmed: 2nd F2F @ AIA (12-13 March 2009), closed
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I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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4. CEN eGov-Share comments sent [from josema]
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zakim, take up next agendum
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agendum 4. "CEN eGov-Share comments sent" taken up [from josema]
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zakim, close this agendum
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agendum 4 closed
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I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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5. New Use Cases [from josema]
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zakim, take up next agendum
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agendum 5. "New Use Cases" taken up [from josema]
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[jose on need for stable location]
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[kevin, john agree]
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[jose on difference between use cases and case studies]
15:12:37 [josema]
many thanks to Martin Alvarez ( for helping me put together the stuff!
15:12:45 [josema]
15:13:16 [josema]
[john on government changes and persistence]
15:13:38 [josema]
john: as example, fully changed yesterday
15:14:53 [josema]
owen: I haven't realized, but I was trying to find a OMB circular that is not available
15:15:08 [josema]
rachel: maybe at a different address than where it was last night
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15:18:10 [josema]
ACTION rachel to provide use case on social media
15:18:10 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-42 - Provide use case on social media [on Rachel Flagg - due 2009-01-28].
15:18:24 [josema]
ACTION rachel to provide use case on "plain language"
15:18:25 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-43 - Provide use case on \"plain language\" [on Rachel Flagg - due 2009-01-28].
15:19:09 [josema]
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zakim, take up next agendum
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agendum 8. "Deadlines and completeness" taken up [from josema]
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15:23:15 [josema]
[jose on deadlines]
15:23:33 [josema]
jose: propose 28 February as hard deadline
15:25:25 [josema]
kevin: ok
15:25:27 [josema]
john: ok
15:25:59 [josema]
oscar: also interested in interop
15:26:09 [josema]
jose: I'm putting john, oscar there
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15:26:31 [josema]
take up next agendum
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15:28:06 [josema]
next meeting: 4 Feb
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zakim, list attendees
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As of this point the attendees have been Josema, +1.509.464.aaaa, Rachel, +1.202.207.aabb, john, +1.301.455.aacc, kevin, owen, +34.98.439.aadd, oscar
15:31:12 [josema]
rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate josema
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T&S_EGOV()9:00AM has ended
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Attendees were Josema, +1.509.464.aaaa, Rachel, +1.202.207.aabb, john, +1.301.455.aacc, kevin, owen, +34.98.439.aadd, oscar
15:42:26 [josema]
rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate josema
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next agendum
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zakim, next agendum
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zakim, take up next agendum
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agendum 10 was just opened, josema
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agendum 10 was just opened, josema
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zakim, close agendum
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I don't understand 'close agendum', josema
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zakim, close this agendum
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agendum 10 closed
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I see nothing remaining on the agenda
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate josema
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zakim, bye
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rrsagent, bye
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I see no action items