IRC log of ws-ra on 2009-01-20

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logging to
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I have made the request to generate Yves
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zakim, this will be #WS_WSRA
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I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, Bob
20:21:29 [Bob]
zakim, this will be WS_WSRA
20:21:29 [Zakim]
ok, Bob; I see WS_WSRA()3:30PM scheduled to start in 9 minutes
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meeting: WS-RA TC Distributed Meeting
20:22:09 [Yves]
20:22:57 [Bob]
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chair: Bob Freund
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rrsagent, make logs public
20:23:40 [GregC]
I guess GregC is first on the scribe list
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and willing?
20:24:47 [GregC]
Tag, I'm it.
20:24:59 [Bob]
scribe: Greg Carpenter
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WS_WSRA()3:30PM has now started
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Attendees were
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WS_WSRA()3:30PM has now started
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20:25:58 [GregC]
I'm am trying to get to the FAQ., but experiencing some delays ...
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+ +1.571.262.aaaa
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20:27:49 [dug]
how do I get the link to the minutes/rssagent?
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Geoff "holds" Asir??
20:28:50 [dug]
too much info :-)
20:28:52 [Geoff]
zakim, geoff holds asir, greg
20:28:52 [Zakim]
sorry, Geoff, I do not recognize a party named 'geoff'
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zakim, Geoff holds asir, GregC
20:29:11 [Zakim]
sorry, Geoff, I do not recognize a party named 'Geoff'
20:29:25 [Geoff]
zakim, [mic is Geoff
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+Geoff; got it
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zakim, Geoff holds asir, GregC
20:29:28 [Zakim]
+asir, GregC; got it
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20:31:12 [Bob]
zakim, who is on the phone
20:31:12 [Zakim]
I don't understand 'who is on the phone', Bob
20:31:16 [Bob]
zakim, who is on the phone?
20:31:16 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Geoff, +1.571.262.aaaa, Bob_Freund, Doug_Davis, ??P8, Wu_Chou, Yves
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Geoff has asir, GregC
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+ +1.703.266.aabb
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finally found an IRC client that can work with Oracle's proxy
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zakim, [OR is gpilz
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+gpilz; got it
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This is Vikas
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20:37:20 [dug]
LOL we need webconf :-)
20:37:22 [GregC]
The agenda is available at
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20:38:48 [GregC]
The quick brown fox jumped over teh lazy dog
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20:39:08 [dug]
I believe Greg was suckered into that one!
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TOPIC: Agenda
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20:40:34 [GregC]
add "unilateral wihtdrawal of issues" to the agenda
20:41:11 [GregC]
Topic: minutes
20:41:55 [GregC]
People need more time to read and approve minutes from f2f
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TOPIC: Next week's meeting
20:42:26 [GregC]
bob: I wont be able chair
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bob: should we cancel or have Yves chair?
20:43:29 [GregC]
Meeting will be held as planned, Yves will chair
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TOPIC: creation of frist working drafts
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bob: Editors should use CVS to avoid "lost updates" from multiple editors
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Editors need to get Public Keys if they don't already have one
20:45:39 [GregC]
bob: first drafts in W3C format with no changes
20:46:12 [GregC]
bob: who will produce which first working drafts and when
20:46:28 [asir]
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dug: are there conversion tools and shoudl we use them?
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asir: conversion tools are avialable but still require significant manual effort
20:47:32 [Bob]
ack yves
20:47:52 [dug]
yves which doc were you thinking of?
20:48:19 [GregC]
Yves: Perhaps some subnissions are already up to spec and will be easier?
20:49:12 [asir]
20:50:08 [GregC]
bob: In two weeks time, all submitted specs will be converted and available in xml spec format
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ack asir
20:50:31 [GregC]
bob: specs may come out independently during that time
20:50:34 [Zakim]
20:51:08 [GregC]
bob: people will be given adequate time to review
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ACTION: editors will have first Public Working drafts available on or before Feb 3
20:52:28 [asir]
Yves - you probably want to think about a Tracker user named 'editors'
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Sorry... I don't know anything about this channel
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If you want to associate this channel with an existing Tracker, please say 'trackbot, associate this channel with #channel' (where #channel is the name of default channel for the group)
20:53:12 [GregC]
TOPIC: Primer - WHat, who, how, when
20:53:31 [dug]
zakim, mute JeffM
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JeffM should now be muted
20:53:52 [Yves]
tracker not assiciated to irc yet, but we can the web interface for now
20:54:04 [GregC]
bob: some WGs find a primer to be a useful aid to understanding the specs
20:54:08 [Yves]
20:54:28 [GregC]
bob: Shall the WS-RA WG produce a primer?
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??: One Primer per spec, or just one Primer?
20:55:16 [dug]
While I think, in general, primers are good, until we have an area of confusion I'd prefer to wait
20:55:40 [GregC]
bob: Is there anyone on this call who is willing to write a Primer?
20:55:58 [GregC]
gpilz: maybe
20:56:08 [dug]
my first choice would be to have areas of confusion be fixed in the spec
20:56:40 [GregC]
20:56:52 [Bob]
ack greg
20:57:19 [gpilz]
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ack gp
20:58:50 [GregC]
GregC: Primers are for wordy explanations that might not be appropriate for a spec
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gpilz: tend to agree -- good place for use cases, etc
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TOPIC: new issues
20:59:46 [Yves]
21:00:10 [GregC]
Issue 6442
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bob: any opposition to accepting issue 6442?
21:01:31 [Zakim]
21:01:37 [GregC]
bob: Accepted without opposition
21:02:03 [Geoff]
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bob: Issue assigned to gpilz
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ack geof
21:03:01 [GregC]
bob: I assume the open question in the initial issue will be addressed with a more specific proposal
21:03:46 [GregC]
Geoff: Note that this is another example of the larger upgrade to support WS-Addressing REC
21:04:19 [GregC]
Geoof: do we have lots of individual issues (which is OK, just asking)
21:05:02 [Prasad2]
+1 to having separate issues, helps focus the issue to specific area or matter
21:05:32 [dug]
bob - there's 6459
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21:05:50 [GregC]
gpilz: bob: granularity is up to the issue submitter
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new issue 6459
21:06:52 [gpilz]
good catch!
21:06:55 [Prasad2]
21:07:46 [GregC]
bob: issue 6459 accepted without opposition and assigned to Li
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TOPIC: Issues with proposals:
21:08:42 [dug]
this is the _easy_ one you mentioned at the f2f :-)
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scribe: Bob
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21:10:24 [Bob]
ITopic: Issue-6433
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proposal at
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21:12:17 [Geoff]
q+ Really Greg wants to talk
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Can you see me now?
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21:13:39 [Bob]
ack geoff
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ack dug
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+1 to Doug
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ack geo
21:19:51 [dug]
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21:21:28 [Prasad2]
So, the WS-A:EPR definition has no extensibility built in?
21:21:35 [Bob]
ack dug
21:21:44 [gpilz]
EPR's have extensibility in them
21:23:09 [Bob]
Bob: The extensibility facet of this issue was decided at the f2f to be separate from the decision of which version of epr to reference
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ack gp
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ack geo
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21:25:08 [Bob]
ack gp
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resolution: Resolve Issue-6433 with the proposal contained in Bugzilla Comment #1 w/o
21:27:43 [dug]
latest 6398:
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Topic: Issue-6398
21:28:27 [Prasad2]
21:30:07 [Geoff]
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ack geoff
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21:32:00 [dug]
no objection to more digestion/composting :-)
21:32:30 [asir]
what was that :-)
21:32:44 [Bob]
send to the list and defer consideration for a future meeting
21:33:41 [Bob]
Topic: Issue-6426
21:34:30 [dug]
since this was pretty much covered at the f2f I wouldn't object to accepting it now - but no objection to composting either :-)
21:34:34 [Bob]
proposal at
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Li introduces his proposal
21:35:11 [gpilz]
I wouldn't object to accepting it either - good work
21:35:32 [dug]
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ack dug
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ack geoff
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Topic: Issue-6427
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Li introduces his prosal
21:40:11 [Geoff]
21:40:49 [gpilz]
again this looks acceptable
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ack geo
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Topic: Issues 6408 6409 6410 6414 6415 6416
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ack geoff
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21:45:31 [Bob]
Originator wishes to withdraw these issues
21:45:40 [Bob]
ack geo
21:46:33 [Geoff]
21:46:47 [Bob]
ack geoff
21:48:30 [Bob]
resolution: Gudge 6408 6409 6410 6414 6415 6416 w/o
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- +1.571.262.aaaa
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I have made the request to generate Yves
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- +1.703.266.aabb
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WS_WSRA()3:30PM has ended
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Attendees were [Microsoft], +1.571.262.aaaa, Bob_Freund, Doug_Davis, asir, GregC, Wu_Chou, Yves, [Oracle], +1.703.266.aabb, Ashok_Malhotra, Prasad_Yendluri, gpilz, JeffM
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I have made the request to generate Yves
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21:50:16 [Bob]
rrsagent, pointer
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