IRC log of ws-ra on 2009-01-20
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2009/01/20-ws-ra-irc
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/01/20-ws-ra-minutes.html Yves
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- zakim, this will be #WS_WSRA
- 20:20:57 [Zakim]
- I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, Bob
- 20:21:29 [Bob]
- zakim, this will be WS_WSRA
- 20:21:29 [Zakim]
- ok, Bob; I see WS_WSRA()3:30PM scheduled to start in 9 minutes
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- meeting: WS-RA TC Distributed Meeting
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- s/TC/WG/
- 20:22:57 [Bob]
- agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access/2009Jan/0045.html
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- chair: Bob Freund
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- rrsagent, make logs public
- 20:23:40 [GregC]
- I guess GregC is first on the scribe list
- 20:24:12 [GregC]
- and willing?
- 20:24:47 [GregC]
- Tag, I'm it.
- 20:24:59 [Bob]
- scribe: Greg Carpenter
- 20:24:59 [Zakim]
- WS_WSRA()3:30PM has now started
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- +??P4
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- -??P4
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- WS_WSRA()3:30PM has ended
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- Attendees were
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- WS_WSRA()3:30PM has now started
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- +[Microsoft]
- 20:25:58 [GregC]
- I'm am trying to get to the FAQ., but experiencing some delays ...
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- + +1.571.262.aaaa
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- +Bob_Freund
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- +Doug_Davis
- 20:27:49 [dug]
- how do I get the link to the minutes/rssagent?
- 20:28:08 [dug]
- thanks
- 20:28:22 [Katy]
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- Geoff "holds" Asir??
- 20:28:50 [dug]
- too much info :-)
- 20:28:52 [Geoff]
- zakim, geoff holds asir, greg
- 20:28:52 [Zakim]
- sorry, Geoff, I do not recognize a party named 'geoff'
- 20:29:11 [Geoff]
- zakim, Geoff holds asir, GregC
- 20:29:11 [Zakim]
- sorry, Geoff, I do not recognize a party named 'Geoff'
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- zakim, [mic is Geoff
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- +Geoff; got it
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- zakim, Geoff holds asir, GregC
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- +asir, GregC; got it
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- +??P8
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- +Wu_Chou
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- +Yves
- 20:31:12 [Bob]
- zakim, who is on the phone
- 20:31:12 [Zakim]
- I don't understand 'who is on the phone', Bob
- 20:31:16 [Bob]
- zakim, who is on the phone?
- 20:31:16 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Geoff, +1.571.262.aaaa, Bob_Freund, Doug_Davis, ??P8, Wu_Chou, Yves
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- Geoff has asir, GregC
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- +[Oracle]
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- + +1.703.266.aabb
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- +Ashok_Malhotra
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- 20:32:57 [gpilz]
- finally found an IRC client that can work with Oracle's proxy
- 20:33:43 [Zakim]
- +Prasad_Yendluri
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- 20:34:35 [Bob]
- zakim, [OR is gpilz
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- +gpilz; got it
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- This is Vikas
- 20:36:08 [GregC]
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- 20:37:20 [dug]
- LOL we need webconf :-)
- 20:37:22 [GregC]
- The agenda is available at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access/2009Jan/0045.html
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- The quick brown fox jumped over teh lazy dog
- 20:39:03 [Yves]
- s/teh/the/
- 20:39:05 [GregC]
- s/teh/the
- 20:39:08 [dug]
- I believe Greg was suckered into that one!
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- 20:39:52 [GregC]
- TOPIC: Agenda
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- 20:40:34 [GregC]
- add "unilateral wihtdrawal of issues" to the agenda
- 20:41:11 [GregC]
- Topic: minutes
- 20:41:55 [GregC]
- People need more time to read and approve minutes from f2f
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- TOPIC: Next week's meeting
- 20:42:26 [GregC]
- bob: I wont be able chair
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- bob: should we cancel or have Yves chair?
- 20:43:29 [GregC]
- Meeting will be held as planned, Yves will chair
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- TOPIC: creation of frist working drafts
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- s/frist/first
- 20:44:23 [Li]
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- bob: Editors should use CVS to avoid "lost updates" from multiple editors
- 20:45:06 [GregC]
- Editors need to get Public Keys if they don't already have one
- 20:45:39 [GregC]
- bob: first drafts in W3C format with no changes
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- bob: who will produce which first working drafts and when
- 20:46:28 [asir]
- q+
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- dug: are there conversion tools and shoudl we use them?
- 20:46:44 [GregC]
- s/shoudl/should
- 20:47:28 [GregC]
- asir: conversion tools are avialable but still require significant manual effort
- 20:47:32 [Bob]
- ack yves
- 20:47:52 [dug]
- yves which doc were you thinking of?
- 20:48:19 [GregC]
- Yves: Perhaps some subnissions are already up to spec and will be easier?
- 20:49:12 [asir]
- q+
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- bob: In two weeks time, all submitted specs will be converted and available in xml spec format
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- ack asir
- 20:50:31 [GregC]
- bob: specs may come out independently during that time
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- +JeffM
- 20:51:08 [GregC]
- bob: people will be given adequate time to review
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- ACTION: editors will have first Public Working drafts available on or before Feb 3
- 20:52:28 [asir]
- Yves - you probably want to think about a Tracker user named 'editors'
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- Sorry... I don't know anything about this channel
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- If you want to associate this channel with an existing Tracker, please say 'trackbot, associate this channel with #channel' (where #channel is the name of default channel for the group)
- 20:53:12 [GregC]
- TOPIC: Primer - WHat, who, how, when
- 20:53:31 [dug]
- zakim, mute JeffM
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- JeffM should now be muted
- 20:53:52 [Yves]
- tracker not assiciated to irc yet, but we can the web interface for now
- 20:54:04 [GregC]
- bob: some WGs find a primer to be a useful aid to understanding the specs
- 20:54:08 [Yves]
- s/assiciated/associated/
- 20:54:28 [GregC]
- bob: Shall the WS-RA WG produce a primer?
- 20:55:08 [GregC]
- ??: One Primer per spec, or just one Primer?
- 20:55:16 [dug]
- While I think, in general, primers are good, until we have an area of confusion I'd prefer to wait
- 20:55:40 [GregC]
- bob: Is there anyone on this call who is willing to write a Primer?
- 20:55:58 [GregC]
- gpilz: maybe
- 20:56:08 [dug]
- my first choice would be to have areas of confusion be fixed in the spec
- 20:56:40 [GregC]
- q+
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- ack greg
- 20:57:19 [gpilz]
- q+
- 20:57:29 [Bob]
- ack gp
- 20:58:50 [GregC]
- GregC: Primers are for wordy explanations that might not be appropriate for a spec
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- gpilz: tend to agree -- good place for use cases, etc
- 20:59:32 [GregC]
- TOPIC: new issues
- 20:59:46 [Yves]
- http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=6442
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- Issue 6442
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- bob: any opposition to accepting issue 6442?
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- -JeffM
- 21:01:37 [GregC]
- bob: Accepted without opposition
- 21:02:03 [Geoff]
- q+
- 21:02:11 [GregC]
- bob: Issue assigned to gpilz
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- ack geof
- 21:03:01 [GregC]
- bob: I assume the open question in the initial issue will be addressed with a more specific proposal
- 21:03:46 [GregC]
- Geoff: Note that this is another example of the larger upgrade to support WS-Addressing REC
- 21:04:19 [GregC]
- Geoof: do we have lots of individual issues (which is OK, just asking)
- 21:05:02 [Prasad2]
- +1 to having separate issues, helps focus the issue to specific area or matter
- 21:05:32 [dug]
- bob - there's 6459
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- http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=6459
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- gpilz: bob: granularity is up to the issue submitter
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- s/gpilz://
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- new issue 6459
- 21:06:52 [gpilz]
- good catch!
- 21:06:55 [Prasad2]
- s/Geoof/Geoff/g
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- bob: issue 6459 accepted without opposition and assigned to Li
- 21:08:15 [GregC]
- TOPIC: Issues with proposals:
- 21:08:42 [dug]
- this is the _easy_ one you mentioned at the f2f :-)
- 21:09:35 [Bob]
- scribe: Bob
- 21:10:08 [Prasad2]
- http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=6433
- 21:10:24 [Bob]
- ITopic: Issue-6433
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- -Prasad_Yendluri
- 21:10:39 [Bob]
- proposal at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access/2009Jan/0041.html
- 21:10:43 [dug]
- backbones?
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- +Prasad_Yendluri
- 21:12:17 [Geoff]
- q+ Really Greg wants to talk
- 21:12:23 [gregcarp]
- Can you see me now?
- 21:12:25 [Geoff]
- q+
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- ack geoff
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- 21:15:58 [dug]
- q+
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- ack dug
- 21:18:36 [gpilz]
- +1 to Doug
- 21:19:14 [Geoff]
- q+
- 21:19:21 [Bob]
- ack geo
- 21:19:51 [dug]
- q+
- 21:19:54 [gpilz]
- +q
- 21:20:03 [dug]
- LOL
- 21:21:28 [Prasad2]
- So, the WS-A:EPR definition has no extensibility built in?
- 21:21:35 [Bob]
- ack dug
- 21:21:44 [gpilz]
- EPR's have extensibility in them
- 21:23:09 [Bob]
- Bob: The extensibility facet of this issue was decided at the f2f to be separate from the decision of which version of epr to reference
- 21:23:10 [Geoff]
- q+
- 21:23:16 [Bob]
- ack gp
- 21:24:00 [Bob]
- ack geo
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- 21:24:59 [gpilz]
- +q
- 21:25:08 [Bob]
- ack gp
- 21:26:56 [Bob]
- resolution: Resolve Issue-6433 with the proposal contained in Bugzilla Comment #1 w/o
- 21:27:43 [dug]
- latest 6398: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access/2009Jan/0043.html
- 21:27:50 [Bob]
- Topic: Issue-6398
- 21:28:27 [Prasad2]
- http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=6398
- 21:30:07 [Geoff]
- q+
- 21:30:21 [Bob]
- ack geoff
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- 21:32:00 [dug]
- no objection to more digestion/composting :-)
- 21:32:30 [asir]
- what was that :-)
- 21:32:44 [Bob]
- send to the list and defer consideration for a future meeting
- 21:33:41 [Bob]
- Topic: Issue-6426
- 21:34:30 [dug]
- since this was pretty much covered at the f2f I wouldn't object to accepting it now - but no objection to composting either :-)
- 21:34:34 [Bob]
- proposal at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-resource-access/2009Jan/0047.html
- 21:34:49 [Bob]
- Li introduces his proposal
- 21:35:11 [gpilz]
- I wouldn't object to accepting it either - good work
- 21:35:32 [dug]
- q+
- 21:35:38 [Bob]
- ack dug
- 21:35:39 [Geoff]
- q+
- 21:37:04 [Bob]
- ack geoff
- 21:39:49 [Bob]
- Topic: Issue-6427
- 21:40:00 [Bob]
- Li introduces his prosal
- 21:40:11 [Geoff]
- q+
- 21:40:49 [gpilz]
- again this looks acceptable
- 21:41:01 [Bob]
- ack geo
- 21:44:11 [Bob]
- Topic: Issues 6408 6409 6410 6414 6415 6416
- 21:44:18 [Geoff]
- q+
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- ack geoff
- 21:45:22 [Geoff]
- q+
- 21:45:31 [Bob]
- Originator wishes to withdraw these issues
- 21:45:40 [Bob]
- ack geo
- 21:46:33 [Geoff]
- q+
- 21:46:47 [Bob]
- ack geoff
- 21:48:30 [Bob]
- resolution: Gudge 6408 6409 6410 6414 6415 6416 w/o
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- -Ashok_Malhotra
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- -Prasad_Yendluri
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- -gpilz
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- -Geoff
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- -Wu_Chou
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- -Yves
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- -Doug_Davis
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- - +1.571.262.aaaa
- 21:49:11 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/01/20-ws-ra-minutes.html Yves
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- - +1.703.266.aabb
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- -Bob_Freund
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- -??P8
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- WS_WSRA()3:30PM has ended
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- Attendees were [Microsoft], +1.571.262.aaaa, Bob_Freund, Doug_Davis, asir, GregC, Wu_Chou, Yves, [Oracle], +1.703.266.aabb, Ashok_Malhotra, Prasad_Yendluri, gpilz, JeffM
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2009/01/20-ws-ra-minutes.html Yves
- 21:50:03 [Bob]
- thanks
- 21:50:16 [Bob]
- rrsagent, pointer
- 21:50:16 [RRSAgent]
- See http://www.w3.org/2009/01/20-ws-ra-irc#T21-50-16
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